Talk:Königsberg

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Germans in Königsberg[edit]

I tried starting such a section but it was deleted. I don't have time to research this subject, but I strongly believe this article needs such a section to be comprehensive and neutral. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:09, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

I had assumed that the Germans were covered in the bulk of the text and these sections dealt with minority groups.Is that not the case? Rsloch (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I would like to hear others on that. If nobody else thinks it is important to have that section, I am not going to insist on retraining it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:43, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't know. But since we already have a section on Poles in Warsaw ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwartz und Weiss (talkcontribs) 15:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Where? I don't see it.

I'm going to remove the subsection on Germans in Königsberg since in my opinion it makes about as much sense as "Swedes in Stockholm". As Rsloch rightfully points out, the bulk of the article already talks about the city's German heritage and culture. I will rename the section to "Ethnic minorities in Königsberg". Yekshemesh (talk) 06:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you don't see it, because it was sarcasm. Schwartz und Weiss (talk) 15:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
LOL! You got me there :) Yekshemesh (talk) 16:06, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Reconstruction was definitely NOT finished in 1946[edit]

In the current version, it says: "In 1946 the rebuilt city was renamed Kaliningrad (Калинингра́д)."

This is nonsense, as the reconstruction has taken decades so far - and regarding important historic buildings, it has not even been finished yet.

On the other hand, the text is misleading anyway: After massacres and ethnic cleansing as negaociated between the US government and Stalin/ USSR at Yalta, it would be more honest to talk about "the occupied and etnically cleansed city was renamend Kaliningrad by the Stalinists". Please correct the text, as Wikipedia has to stick to the truth. Thanks! --92.228.74.47 (talk) 08:54, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I think it is quite clear that rebuilt is redundant in that sentence.5.28.101.56 (talk) 17:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

This land was empty before Prussians occupied it?[edit]

This is the impression the article creates, which seems to echo the description in this article. I have read elsewhere of massacres of the native inhabitants by the knights. This article also gives some information about the university - http://www.academia.edu/1331786/Nazi_Ideology_in_the_Archaeology_of_East_Prussia 5.28.89.25 (talk) 13:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC) Good catch! We certainly need to expand this article to avoid giving off impression(false one!) that it was mono-ethnic city. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 00:31, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

"Cultures" in the infobox[edit]

What exactly is the "Cultures" section in the infobox supposed to say? Currently it's just a list of the different political affiliations throughout history. I don't think "Nazi Germany" is any kind of "Culture", what I would call "Cultures" is mentioned as "associated with" (Sambians, Germans etc.). I suggest to remove the "Cultures" section. HerkusMonte (talk)

Yeah that's weird. Remove it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:36, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Map needed[edit]

Geographically a reader would have no clue where this place is based on the article. Compare it to for instance: Murmansk. A map showing the location of the city would be very helpful. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 11:34, 4 April 2014 (UTC)