Talk:K. Pattabhi Jois
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Date of birth
(full moon was on/around 26 July:may be not exact) What do you think of saying "about 26 July"? - Kevin Saff 21:31, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
- I'd rather be certain. I will ask some people on what day Pattabhi Jois celebrates his birthday, as this should settle the issue. Note that this can take some time. Wilke 03:01, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
- Surprisingly (at least for a westerner), Pattabhi Jois celebrates his birthday on the first full moon of July, on whatever day that happens to be. Wilke 22:45, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
To give a current western Gregorian calendrical date for the birth Sri K. Pattabhi Jois is incorrect since they use a lunar calendar in Karnataka. It's probably most accurate to say that Sri K. Pattabhi Jois was born on the full moon of the lunar month known as Ashadh (July-August) . This particular full moon is also a festival day known as Guru Purnima, during which spiritual teachers are honored. - Souljerky
He was an inspiration to all... I just wonder, if he died this week (2009 before his birthday) and was born in 1915, should he not be 95 instead of 93? -- Dorien —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Besides the cited book (which I don't have access to), there have been a number of obituaries in various publications, which are usable as sources for improving the article. I've left them as external links, but it would be great if someone read them and rewrote the article instead of simply vanishing them as "link spam". Shreevatsa (talk) 17:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
-  LA times
User Cyberyoga has added a seperate section called Criticisms, under that he first uses the The Economist which is very much a RS and hence I have not reverted it, however it makes just a passing reference to injuries to his students. However I have not touched it. He uses Vanity fair and other source which are RS but they do not speak about Jois in particular but about a form of Yoga that Jois invented. IMO that should not be included in his article.--sarvajna (talk) 09:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- This article of Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga is the place where we can add those criticisms also I think I am wrong when I said that Jois invented it, he just popularized it which makes it more important not to include criticism of that method of yoga in the artcile of Jois --sarvajna (talk) 09:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I don't feel that the article in The Economist should be used as a reference. The article is written with a very obvious axe to grind, and includes many inaccuracies (claiming that students chant 'Guruji' at the start of class, that the 6 series are meant to be practiced one series each day of the week, the running away from home story, his scorning of iyengar). The obituary was not written with fact in mind. You can actually see how the obituary came to be from the authors blog (http://andreaskluth.org/2009/06/04/a-peek-inside-editing-at-the-economist/). While The Economist may be a reputable source, I don't feel an outlying obituary full of inaccuracies should be the sole source for criticism.Dturner (talk) 02:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- I removed a quote about adjustments being overwhelming that was attributed to Yoga in the Modern World. The book can be searched on google books (http://books.google.com/books?id=47w3WH9gr0gC&printsec=frontcover#v=snippet&q=overwhelming&f=false) and the quote in question does not exist in the book.Dturner (talk) 03:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- I now have a copy of Yoga in the Modern world. The quote in the article was: "'Adjustments' can be overwhelming, producing fear and extreme discomfort in students as they are pushed beyond their physical and psychological comfort zones in often-difficult, even dangerous āsana." The rest of the paragraph (not included in the article) is: "At the same time, Pattabhi Jois's aphorism refers to the way heat of focused practice can leave a practitioneer stunned by the way his or her body opens up, or moves deeper and deeper into the poses, often guided or driven by a teacher's interventions. Doubtless an inheritance from his guru Krishnamācārya's own renowned fierceness - 'When that man looked at you, you were afraid' - Pattachi Jois's 'fierce' approach pushes many of his students to achieve far more than they considered possible." (page 154) I don't see that this quote is supporting the criticism that Jois's adjustments were dangerous, the opposite actually.Dturner (talk) 20:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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As the article states, Jois learned yoga from Krishnamacharya, and taught the same style of yoga that Krishnamacharya taught him. Thus, he did not "develop" Ashtanga yoga but perhaps credit is due for having preserved the practice which might have died off without him.
Many have said that the Yoga Korunta describes the Ashtanga practice but that seems to be a coincidence. The YK is a very old book which describes a vinyasa yoga system very similar to Ashtanga. So the YK isn't definitive proof that Ashtanga is the oldest version of yoga, but it does add justification to the claim that Ashtanga takes its roots from the oldest traditions. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)