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How is it known that this station will become the The CW Television Network? This is like 8 months from now and anything can happen. Just a thought. James084 21:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

This station, as a Tribune-owned affiliate, has signed a 10-year affiliation deal with the newly created CW Television Network. XHUPN, the current market UPN affiliate will likely revert to independent status, since its affiliation will end. XHUPN is not owned by either CBS Corporation or Tribune Company, so it made sense to have Tribune's KSWB take on The CW Television Network affiliation. D2001dstanley 03:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


This was confirmed by Tribune during their conference call announcing their participation in The CW yesterday. There are a handful of markets whose Tribune/WB stations will not join The CW, each of them is located in markets where Viacom already owns the current UPN station (WATL Atlanta for example). A full list, as released by Tribune and Viacom yesterday can be found on Wikipedia at List of CW affiliates. Mhking 03:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

contrary to the article "everyone from the station" was not let go when the station ceased their *news* operation. The news department and the anchors departed, which is hardly "everyone from the station". The morning show anchor is still there as well, for what's it worth.

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"Anti-Cruft" edit, 6 July 2012[edit]

On 6 July 2012, Drmies made an edit, [1], summarized by the user as "trimm(ing) unverified, crufty, excessive detail, directory information". "Cruft" is a term I encountered only recently. As is usual with such ill-defined Wikpedia slang, I've found one essay characterizing cruft as an uncivil argument to be avoided, and yet another claiming that cruft is a real problem, not a dirty word.

As to "unverified", the specific claims in the prose could be tagged for "citation needed". "Excessive detail" is probably in the eye of the beholder, as I personally find the removed prose to be an interesting discussion of the historical state of TV news competition in the San Diego market.

"Directory information" most likely refers to on air personnel and their assignments. This, plus titles and slogans, is standard verbiage within Wikipedia:WikiProject Television Stations. I, and others, have argued that this is "a way of tracking news anchors in various television markets and ... what anchor position they hold" and to "compare a station's news offerings to others in the market and to stations around the country". We hold that this usage does not violate WP:NOTTVGUIDE. Perhaps this type of information could be presented in another way, but that's a discussion for another time.

For these reasons, I am (mostly) reverting the "anti-cruft" edit. --Chaswmsday (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

  • What I removed is the kind of cruft (yes) that we are trying to clean up from all those TV station articles. Drmies (talk) 18:53, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Drmies is right, that is definite fancruft and stuff that can be considered unsourced, unverifiable or unencyclopedic. Some of that would violate WP:NOT#DIR, while the other stuff would go against consensus. But, yes, it is fancruft and should be removed. - NeutralhomerTalk • 18:59, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Ummm...no. Please be more specific than just throwing out the word "cruft". Which elements are unsourced, unverifiable or unencylopedic? Which violate NOTDIR? Which go against whose consensus? The TV Project's? Who is this "we" who are "cleaning up" these articles? --Chaswmsday (talk) 20:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Interesting question--who is the "we" in "We hold that this usage..."? Whoever they are, they don't really appreciate the difference between an encyclopedia and a TV guide. I have undone your revert, one step at a time. Drmies (talk) 04:10, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
    • Ha! Quite clever of you, Drmies, to twist my use of "we"! Mine refers to "I, and others", who I quoted. Which does not, of course, answer the question of who your "we" includes. Not, it would seem, Neutralhomer - who states in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television Stations#Style and formatting issues: "This is a free encyclopedia that everyone can edit and everyone has a different writing style. We don't do uniformity on really any of the articles here because it would create something that isn't "free". It would require everyone to write in the same style...and since we aren't all little gray blobs with the same personalities, styles and everything, we are all different, a uniform version of anything will never happen. It would be nice, but with so many different writing styles, it would be impossible. Plus, I am pretty sure it would violate a couple WP:NOT rules. Unformity would change this project and Wikipedia itself to a point it would no longer be "free". So, a uniform television station article (or any article) is 'not a good idea."
I eagerly await your answer on what members of the TV Station Project (or other editors) are involved in this uniformity/cleanup task.
Meanwhile, in edit 1, which WP or Project policy or guideline holds that slogans are unencyclopedic? As for unverified 12 year old information, just slap a "citation needed" tag on it. Edit 2: You state a personal opinion about excitement level and refer WP users to TV Guide - where listings are non-existent in print form and beside the point online. Edit 3: Another "citation needed". Edit 4: Once again, "citation needed"; by what authority is info not encyclopedic?; saw the template in markup but did not see a video. Edit 5: This content does not, IMHO, constitute a "directory" & your suggestion to "check your local listings" would be fruitless, as only on rare occasions do listings include on-air staff.
But if you're serious about your view of TV station content, I'll make the same suggestion I've made previously to editors with similar ideas: Make equivalent edits to WABC-TV, WCBS-TV, WNBC, KABC-TV, KCBS-TV, KNBC, WBBM-TV, WLS-TV, WMAQ-TV, et al. Your response to this suggestion, and any subsequent reverts of these hypothetical edits, will speak volumes. --Chaswmsday (talk) 13:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)