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- 1 Official Pakistani Casualties
- 2 Lt Nachiketa
- 3 Kargil Location
- 4 Very Poorly Written Goebbels Like In Its Indian Delusions and Propoganda.Article Needs To Be Taken Down and Redone Impartialy With Impartial Sources
- 5 Israeli Air Force aided India
- 6 India LOST 2 MIGS shot down by kashmiri and taliban mujahideen
- 7 INDIA LOST KARGIL WAR -Kishan Pal
- 8 Indian propaganda
- 9 biased
- 10 Casualties and losses have wrong info
- 11 U.S Intervention for a Truce?.........
- 12 Edit request on 12 December 2011
- 13 Only Pakistani Army regular were involed
- 14 Simla aggreement
- 15 करगिल युद्ध
- 16 Pakistan casualities biased
- 17 Information from Pak Army Gen Aziz
- 18 Real truth Kargil WAR
- 19 Pakistani casualities biased
- 20 Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2014
Official Pakistani Casualties
Pakistani army names 453 soldiers killed in Kargil War. The 4,000 casualties written on article is political statement made by a leader. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/In-denial-till-now-Pak-quietly-names-453-soldiers-killed-in-Kargil-War/articleshow/6947919.cms Kashifyy (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Read more: In denial till now, Pak quietly names 453 soldiers killed in Kargil War - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/In-denial-till-now-Pak-quietly-names-453-soldiers-killed-in-Kargil-War/articleshow/6947919.cms#ixzz15eWW9jrx
Kargil is a a district in Jammu & Kashmir/Indian Occupied Kashmir. Kargil is Located in near LOC between "Gilgit-Baltistan (Pakistan)" and "Jammu & Kashmir (India)". The Location of Actual Kargil from Srinagar is 120 Km Were in 1999 Kargil conflict was found between Pakistan Army and Indian Army —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
== Kargil War
Very Poorly Written Goebbels Like In Its Indian Delusions and Propoganda.Article Needs To Be Taken Down and Redone Impartialy With Impartial Sources
A very poorly constructed and risible article on Kargil, those impartial readers from neutral countries such as myself can read it and read between the lines that this is a laughable article created and manipulated by pro Indian persons. Its a shame that Wikipedia and its integrity has been sabotaged in this way. I mean one of these persons calls the CIA a credible impartial source!!! Almost all the facts given by the Indians are false. Wikipedia needs to do more to stop Indian xenophobes hijacking almost any article relating to Pakistan like this otherwise Wikipedia runs the risk of becoming a mouthpiece for the indian successors of Goebbels much like Youtube is. These idiots do not realise that educated persons outside India do not buy their primary school level propoganda and lies—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohannvt (talk • contribs) 15:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Israeli Air Force aided India
Why am I considered as a vandal becouse I added the Israeli Ar Force on the infobox? It's an undisputed fact that the IAF gave India a decisive aid in the fight against the Pakistanis, although Israel was never in war against Pakistan. Why was this removed? --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Providing AID does on qualify as being a combatant in a war. China supplied weapons to Pakistan doesn't mean China is a combatant in the Kargil war. End of Story. Saroshp (talk) 02:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
- You're right. Sorry for disturbing. --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 22:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
- If there are notable sources, and even if its in Israeli Newspapers, please show. If they are good source and if I agree(which I will if there is even a single point of truth) along with other wikipedians, It will be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tall.kanna (talk • contribs) 12:53, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- You're right. Sorry for disturbing. --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 22:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
India LOST 2 MIGS shot down by kashmiri and taliban mujahideen
india lost 2 aircraft shot down by the kashmiri and taliban mujahideen
why is this not mentioned in the indian casualties side in the article
INDIA LOST KARGIL WAR -Kishan Pal
NEW DELHI: An Indian general, who commanded troops during 1999 Kargil war, on Sunday broke his 11-year silence to say that India actually lost the war in strategic terms.
- Isn't he the same guy, who has been indicted for favouring a Brigadier? No wonder, he's now spinning stories. Shovon (talk) 19:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
No he isnt that guy. This guy is a credible source. An Indian General admits they lost the Kargil war yet the indian zealots on wiki have their way and this pathetic pro progaganda piece remains unable to be edited to reflect the pakistani view and the actual facts of who won and lost the war .22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
This is clearly Indian propaganda. Most statistics are taken from Indian sources which are off course biased. Certain events are missed out and others are modified. There is a lot of exaggeration in this article. This article needs to be written from an unbiased point of view so that it may be credible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
@above : according to your statement , everything is indian propaganda well you are right this is true !!!The whole world running on Indian propaganda because we are 1.3 billion ! the whole world says and believes the lies written here as there are more Indians than Pakistanis by 8 to 1. A lost war counts as a lose in a nations history. Unfortunately, for India, Kargil was a los. So lets not blame Pakistan for it. Please give neutral sources like BBC and CIA or anything that you think is not propaganda , before making statements here and yes i am retarded and an uneducated slumdog Indian savage for thinking the CIA and BBC count as unbiased sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 12:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
And perhaps the above signed ought to learn rudimentary spelling of words like "losses" before spinning laughable Indian propoganda on here. India lost the Kargil war and that is a well known fact in the West and I am a South African in London writing this call me biased too, Indians commenting on this article seem to beleive they have the sole right to bias.
Just like articles about 1965 and 1971 this one is also an Indian baised story. Argument is, how many are they in population. They are confronting Pakistani arguments in almost each and every platform. Someone from Indian side is always there with his baised argument. One should expect them to come up with a neutral source, hard to say.
In 1965 war's article many references are qouted from Globalsecurity. Articles on this website are without authors name. So it just looks like a database of articles to strengthen Wikipedia articles. If follow the footprint of Globalsecurity, there appears a name John Pike. Article about John Pike on Wikipedia does not meet the quality standard so there is sweep sign on it.
Many sources are Indian media and therefore dont respectfully have the appropriate level of probity. Articles from low brow indian newspapers wont be appropriate for quoting crucial unbiasedfacts therefore this whole article in its present guise is a joke and an Indian mahabaratian fundamentalists wet dream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aenematica (talk • contribs) 14:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
this artical is completely biased towards india lik all wikipedia articles. no doubt tat india is aiding this article. first of all wars r not explained as given. first the ORBAT or order of battle is given. pakistan had 5 northern light infantry battalions and india had 3 inf. divisions (1,20,000) troops,300 pi-76 bofor guns and 300 warplanes. now firepower must also b mentioned. it is a fact even accepted by the indians tat the indian artillery fired 2,50,000 rounds tat was 50 rounds per pak soldier! moreover all claims r indian and not even a single pakistani claim is incoperated such as those of brig.rashid qureshi of 2000 indian soldiers killed and 3 to 4 times injured and 5 iaf warplanes destroyed 2 of whose wreckages were shown. in the last bt not the least pakistan army was not defeated. it stood on the kargil heights for 75 days against terrible odds. a ceasefire was organised by the UN and then the pakistan army pulled back,thus lik 1948 and 1965 india once again drummed her UN-backed political victorya as a millitary victory. today still pak occupies 4 most important indian bop's viz point 5353,dalu nag,siddle ridge and buker ridge which r not mentioned and r a clear sign tat pak won millitarily. i dnt know y wikipedia and the west side india when they havent won even a single war millitarily. tuking abt '71 it was "won" wen the UN oriented ceasefire was converted notoriously into a surrender deed by indira,says jfr jacob (indian general. so wiki plz come out ur pro-indian cacoon and think broadly,or else this wiki is gonna become a joke and a meer tool of the naive! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:18, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
please do not bring your pro pakistani views to the article and do not bring up other issues which do not relate at hand to the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buklaodord (talk • contribs) 06:38, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
@above I strongly agree that this article is totally biased. It may be due to the fund raising by indians or something else. I hardly cannot find any neutral citing. Indian propaganda and lobbying is famous world wide for fabrication and association of false news. What rampage and massacre have Indian armed forces done in Occupied Kashmir! So far India has lost 3 wars against Pakistan including Kargil. I also can hire alot of authors to write books and articles in the favor Pakistan. I suggest WIKI to be neutral and not biased. Kazisaad (talk) 06:05, 17 May 2011 (UTC)QAZI
Plz add or edit this articat to make it more reliable by sources and make it un-biased,or write about it in very un-biased way.Here I see My Pakistani Brothers are just saying its biased because its what they believe and are not providing factfull and reliable sources.As far as Indians are considered our education system is open ,any one can see what we are thought and how we protray.Indian government can not hold secrets as we have Right To Information.If India has lost all wars why Kargil is still part of India, Why Bangladesh is Independent now.India even went upto Lahor but Due to UN we retreated, just because we do not want more Hate and want Peace we have compromised always When we HAVE WON.PLZ GO AND READ HISTORY AND THEN COME AND ARGUE WITH FACTS. پاکستان سچ کو مانو، پیار فےلاو — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratboy (talk • contribs) 12:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC) it is a clear fct that india lost all conventional wars to pakistan. no fabrication can ever change this issue. so ur mentioning the previous wars to proveu won??? in 1965 india was badly battered, and india never reached lahore, indias corp was stopped dead along the brb canal and 21 indian indian offences were repulsed. in 1971 , just know wat sam manekshaw says, it had to trample over its thousands of dead, and the secret is a ceasefire was converted to a surrender deed. just go and know wat lt.gen.jfr jacob of ur own indian army has to say. in kargil the indian army was clearly blotted out. losing 4000 dead and 2000 injured it nvr captured kargil until the 4 july 1999 accord was signed and pakistani troops had pulled back, if india was such a big victor y are 4 posts 5353,dalunag,siddle ridge and bunker ridge in pakistani hands? india took wat we left and we didnt leav u nvr took it back. india lost 40% of kashmir in 1948, 1640 sq.miles in 1965 and in 1971 india ended up losing chummb permanently. 3000 dead and 50%+ troops psycho patients(star news india) in siachen, just thank the western and russians who came to ur help!
Casualties and losses have wrong info
Hi I was just checking out the references for the casualties and losses box and references 5 and 6 states Pakistan lost 253 Soldiers in the war and somehow it says they lost 357 on the box......
and I also noticed that for the Indian side it says 3 aircraft (MiG-21) (MiG-27) and a Mi-8 helicopter were all shot down this is not true as the IAF lost 6 aircraft to enemy fire and 3 to engine flame-out the MiG-21 and Mi-8 were shot down by Stinger missiles but the MiG-27 was lost to enemy fire reference 55 candidly explains this so can i or someone else change this to the correct information? Buklaodord (talk) 04:46, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thank you but the Indian side lost 2 aircraft MiG-21 and a Mi-8 to enemy fire but they lost 1 fighter jet a MiG-27 to engine flame-out as stated in reference 55 Buklaodord (talk) 20:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The old reference 55 was unreliable and so was removed. New reference 55 does not state anything about any jets lost. Reference 53 states 1 MiG-21 and 1 MiG-27 were lost.--UplinkAnsh (talk) 07:16, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
yeah but in reference 55 it says MiG-21 was shot down but not the MiG-27 and in the casualties and losses box it says two fighter jets were shot down which is incorrect a MiG-21 and a Mi-8 were shot down but not a MiG-27 the MiG-27 was lost due to engine failure not because it was shot down Buklaodord (talk) 05:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
OK. I didn't go through the reference properly. I have changed the data in the infobox.
U.S Intervention for a Truce?.........
the U.S did not arrange a ceasefire for the Kargil war nor did they directly intervene granted that Bill Clinton and Nawaz Sharif met for how to handle the situation i don't recall any U.S intervention to bring both combatants to cease fighting in fact it was Sharif himself who ordered the Pakistani army to unilaterally retreat even he mentioned himself that the Kargil war was a defeat for the Pakistani side as stated in Reference 8 and another thing can anyone produce a reference or source for that statement "U.S Intervention for a Truce" ? --Honorprevails123 (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
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Only Pakistani Army regular were involed
It is now clear from independent as well as Pakistani sources that kargil invasion was done by pak army secretly even without informing their won govt, so there is no question of any mujaheddin or militant involved in this operation from pak side. all were Pakistani army regular in disguise of militant. so, pls remove the militant involvement in this operation from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Pakistan casualities biased
pakistan suffered ATLEAST 700 KILLED MILLIATARY PERSONNEL AS PER US DEPT OF STATE-----http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=kargil+war+pakistan+casualities+higher&btnG=#hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=bks&sclient=psy-ab&q=()n+the+dispute+the+estimates+are+even+more+difficult+to+attest:+the+US+State+Department+quoted+the+Pakistani+military+casualties+at+700%2C+but+according+to+&oq=()n+the+dispute+the+estimates+are+even+more+difficult+to+attest:+the+US+State+Department+quoted+the+Pakistani+military+casualties+at+700%2C+but+according+to+&gs_l=serp.3...38456.38456.0.39318.104.22.168.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.1...1c.1.MlPlSdUkdJA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=badccb430883958&biw=1366&bih=673
THE SAME US DEPT SAYS THAT INDIA SUFFERED DEATHS BTW 500-550(WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY OFFICIAL FIGURES AS WELL) HENCE REMOVE THE PAKISTAN OFFICIAL FIGURE(OR PUT IT IN PAKISTAN CLAIM), INDEPENDENT SOURCE US GOVT GIVES OVERR 700 PAKISTANI SOLDIERS KILLED.22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:48, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Information from Pak Army Gen Aziz
| 'Kargil war a disaster, Musharraf tried to cover it up' gives information such as war cover up, regular soldiers and not rebels in war, Shimla agreement, etc.126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Real truth Kargil WAR
"Kargil War had two phases"
Kargil war on the ground (phase one): Pakistan gave stick to Indian forces and showed them the gutter. President Musharraf was the hero of this war. Indian lost thousands of elite soldiers without achieving anything. There were minimal Pakistani casualties and Pakistan gained control over huge areas (most peaks in the area) with Indian forces in Kashmir vulnerable.
Kargil war on the table (phase two): India complained to USA, Nawaz was called by Clinton and Nawaz (God knows for what reason) surrendered and thus agreed to withdraw from all areas Pakistan gained (hence in effect making a victorious war into a lost war). Actually, Nawaz declared to Clinton that all occupying Kashmir on Indian side were not Pakistani soldiers (thus denying them status as Pakistani soldier), regardless, Nawaz also agreed that he will use his influence on them to make them retreat. During this retreat (or withdrawal), Pakistan lost number of men that volunteered in this war.
Pakistan lost atleast 700 soldiers of regular army(US HOME DEPT ESTIMATES) and all the falsehoods of your has been thrown out to gutter, over 600 Pakistani soldiers body was not taken back by Pakistan, the video of Indian Army Hindu soldiers burying muslim Pakistani soldiers in kargil is available.188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
it is the only example in modern warfare history that an army occupying hills suffered more casualities than the army which was climbing up. India lost 500 soldiers, Pakistan lost atleast 700 soldiers(US HOME DEPT), and plz name few hills which Pakistan held when they retreated(as you are claiming) , by that time indian army has captured all hills and regained 80% of infiltrated area the rest of area was of plains and Pakistan losses were very heavy, it was a military retreat as to assume that Pak army chief will listen to Pak civilian govt is unlikely with almost 700-800 Pakistani soldiers killed Musharraf has no option but to retreat , even today pak army don't listen to govt. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Pakistani casualities biased
Pakistan losses hav been toned down for example giving Musharraf figure in Pakistan claim is foolish, Pakistan army official site give 453 soldiers and officers of Pakistan army killed in kargil, its obvious that this figure of 453 is very very low as Pakistan refused to accept many dead bodies of soldiers, further in the box wrong info is provided "INDIAN ARMY CLAIMED 1086 PAKISTANI OFFICERS AND SOLDIERS DEAD, THE FIGURE OF 700 IS ESTIMATED BY US HOME DEPT AND THIS WAS VERY INITIAL ESTIMATE ACTUAL FIGURE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE"220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:50, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hi. Operation Vijay was not named after India's victory but after an officer Col. Vijay Bakshi whose unit 3 Punjab was in Batalik before the war started. His unit was the first to report infiltration at the border and hence the operation which was first thought to be small was named after his first name, Vijay. It is very important that this information is shared with people as very few know of this and the officer deserves credit for it. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)