Talk:Karl Rove

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  1. Shorten considerably the information on the Plame affair or summarize it thoroughly on the main page and offload its full contents to a daughter article
  2. Remove article-wide NPOV notice; replace, if necessary, with section NPOV disputes
  3. Verify article sources, determine level of impartiality and notability
  4. Clarify the timeline and the pertinent facts in the Vietnam War/Draft section.
  5. Talk page: Improve format of comments from new users
  6. Siegelman has been released from a seven-year sentence in a federal penitentiary.
  7. Make a graphic to show Rove's successes in the congressional/senatorial races and delete the excessive use of sectioning off each race. Each race does not deserve it's own section since each section only has one unreferenced sentence.
  8. Move up the sections on George W. Bush's gubernatorial and presidential races and expand them to include Rove's strategies and tactics.
  9. Compress the scandals into one section and off-load content to other articles.
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"Activities" section[edit]

I tagged this section. A summary of what he does for a living would be appropriate but not where he goes on speaking tours, etc., especially as he's made about a hundred other speaking engagements, and continues to do so. Can't post them all. Not appropriate for a BLP.Malke 2010 (talk) 23:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

"Atheist"[edit]

I've reverted the following insertion:

According to multiple media reports, Rove is an atheist.[1][2][3]

First of all, all three of these "sources" are really the same source -- they're all citing the first, Christopher Hitchens in New York Magazine. So we could perhaps say "Hitchens claims Rove is an atheist", but that wouldn't even be correct; at most, given the language of the interview, we can say "Hitchens claims Rove is not a believer", a far weaker claim. --jpgordon::==( o ) 01:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

University/Alma Mater[edit]

According to Karl Rove in numerous interviews he does not have a degree from any of the Universities at which he attended. The words "Alma Mater" should be removed from his bio as they are used for a person who graduated from school. The words should be replaced with something suitable such as "Attended" or "Studied at". Tiberiusuhl (talk) 21:21, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Can you point us to a Wikipedia policy or guideline supporting your opinion expressed above? Fat&Happy (talk) 22:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I concur with Tiberiusuhl, I believe that the user Fat & Happy is engaging in willful subterfuge by trying to falsely imply that merely attending an institution for a brief time or limited number of courses imbues unearned authority to an individual - Attended is much more accurate than Alma Matter (common usage implies graduation with degree, not merely attending, or auditing a class or two)... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Triakis (talkcontribs) 18:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)<Triakis (talk) 18:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)>

Alma mater can be legitimately used for merely studying/attending at an institution of higher learning not just graduating although graduating from the university is usually expected before someone calls it their alma mater. C6541 (TC) 16:48, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Alma Mater, "nourishing mother", is a term used for the university one attends or has attended. Another university term, matriculation, is also derived from mater. The term suggests that the students are "fed" knowledge and taken care of by the university. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Nothing about his memoir?[edit]

I don't see it mentioned in here at all. The memoir that he made, Courage and Consequences. J390 (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I apologize, it is mentioned, but not enough detail is given into it, the statements made in the book. J390 (talk) 05:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Citation for Karl Rove's 1972 interview with CBS News[edit]

Under the heading College Republicans, Watergate, and the Bushes, line, A CBS report on the organization of the Nixon campaign from June 1972 includes an interview with a young Rove working for the College Republican National Committee.


Line listed as "Citation Needed." Found original CBS report on youtube, timestamped where Karl Rove appears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HPnW4EBed4&t=4m8s

After discussion with the above IP in #wikipedia-en-help, I suggested the IP post the link here for review instead of inserting it into the article directly, since we don't generally approve of youtube links. However, this appears to be the legitimate primary source for the claim, so I think it can be cited. Keegan (talk) 08:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete article[edit]

Just read this PBS transcript and it seems the article lacks many aspects of Rove's ascendance. Kahlores (talk) 00:06, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. If you let me know some particular highlights that warrant inclusion, I'll attempt to integrate them into the article. Safehaven86 (talk) 02:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Reading this article it is impossible to discern why he is an ultra political conservative. I think the article needs some evidence from his memoirs or something to give readers knowledge of his cause for partisanship. Karl is a heavyweight advisor, i am sure some of his most influential 'advice' warrants enclosure. This guy has been one of the architect of modern conservatism for good or worse, so such scrutiny is definitely needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.69.131.133 (talk) 06:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Explaining why Mr Rove is an 'ultra conservative' would inevitably lead to an analysis of the entire psychological phenomenon of the 'closeted conservative' which the RNC has in profusion, but googling for the image of his father's perculiar piercing proclivities which were featured on the front cover of a fetish magazine might help to explain a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.191.42.7 (talk) 01:27, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Denial of Fox News Results[edit]

His performance with the female reporter saying "Is that just some mathematics you do as a Republican ..." is probably the most notable event of the election. How can there be no mention of this? 72.228.190.243 (talk) 19:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

I was about to say the same thing.ElectroPro (talk) 20:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Of course, any such mention would have been quickly scrubbed by Rove & co. inc. Just like any mention of the allegations by Anonymous of Rove's computer theft of the 2004 Ohio vote count, and the attempted theft of the 2012 Ohio vote count. The Wikipedia page will only approach real accuracy once Rove is finally in jail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.191.42.7 (talk) 21:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

NO Mention At All about Rove's involvement in the 2012 US Presidential campaign super pac for Romney?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.207.152.175 (talk) 09:14, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Nothing about his religion?[edit]

It would be nice to add something about this as conservatives generally find this area quite important.101.51.233.82 (talk) 01:22, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Kachka, Boris (2007-04-26) Are You There, God? It's Me, Hitchens., New York Magazine
  2. ^ Suellentrop, Chris (2007-05-07) Rove in Limbo, New York Times
  3. ^ Marcotte, Amanda (2011-02-25) Who is the Tea Party really?, The Guardian