Talk:Kassites

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There seems to be disagreement on the language they spoke. If indeed the language is agglutinating, then it would not be Indo-European. Does anyone have any resources on the language?

  • "speaking an Indo-European language"
  • "No inscription or document in the Kassite language has been preserved"
  • "Kassites, was agglutinative; a fragment of Kassite vocabulary has survived in a single Cuneiform tablet."
  • "Apparently, Kassite has no connection with Indo-European, as had erroneously been supposed."
  • "How can they speak an Indo-European language with having no connection with Indo-European?" o3o? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.150.110 (talk) 23:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Can someone clear this up??? D.E. Cottrell 06:46, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't think Kassite is believed to be Indo-European - there may, as with the Hurrians of Mitanni, have been an Indo-European-derived aristocracy. BTW, is anything more known about the classification of Kassite? Is it ever associated with, for instance, either Hurrian or Elamite? john k 14:45, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

template deletion[edit]

as this article is about a ancient tribe originating in the Lurestan province of Iran, it should be more of an Iranian-related article, not a mesopotamian one.

Manu kian maheri 14:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Most of what we know of the Kassites derives from the period when they ruled Babylon, not their obscure origins. john k 20:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
The best years of their history are connected to Mesopotamia, where they identified with and assimilated in the local culture and population. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 11:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

KASSITE KINGS[edit]

I see that there is a good list of the Kassite kings at http://cdli.ucla.edu/wiki/index.php/Kassite_Dynasty which would be nice for this article. A couple of them already have wiki pages to link to. Ploversegg (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)ploversegg

Change of the word race[edit]

I just did a very minor change in the prologue from the word race to the word people. Using a word such as race when discussing a historical subject isn't really scientifically accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.125.51 (talk) 16:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Multiple ethnic origin theories (removed edit)[edit]

There are conflicting theories on the ethnolinguistic origin of the Kassites, such as the probable theories the Kassites are of Turkic and North Caucasian backgrounds from Central Asia, with more connections to other Indo-European peoples such as the Slavs and Albanians. But other historians disagree, and they point out they are of South Caucasian, Dravidian and even Finnic or Uralic-Altaic and/or Ethiopian origins. The Kassites are somewhat traced to Ossetians in the Caucasus according to some anthropologists, but colleagues and experts in the field believe Kassites are purely indigenous to the Persian Gulf region for over 5,000 years. The "Marsh Arabs" of southern Iraq claimed to be direct descendants of Sumerians and Babylonians before the arrival of pre-Judaic Semitic and later Islamic Arab peoples in the Tigris and Euphrates delta. 71.102.3.122 (talk) 07:37, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Fournet's TMCJ[edit]

The so-called "The Macro Comparative Journal" (TMCJ) is a self-published device created by his own author, an scholar who claims to be an expert on Near East languages such as Hurrian. The fact "TMCJ" is self-published can be easily checked by the following facts: 1) the site's URL is located at at ISP's personal web space: diachronica.pagesperso-orange.fr 2) the journal editor and the author of more than 90% of the stuff there is Fournet himself.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_self-published_sources this is a not relaible source: "Anyone can create a personal web page or pay to have a book published, and then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources. Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications."

If Fournet is *really* a reputed scholar, we should have his references on peer-reviewed publications. Have we? I'm afraid we don't. Talskubilos (talk) 13:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Here's one for starters. [1] I'm sure others can be found for a scholar who has done such extensive work on Kassite and Hurrian studies. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 13:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

OK, I leave to you the homework of finding relevant articles published in peer-reviewed media, provided they actually exist. Talskubilos (talk) 13:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC) Still waiting to see your refs. Talskubilos (talk) 13:34, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

A fairly comprehensive listing can be found here: https://independent.academia.edu/ArnaudFournet. There seem to be publications in around a dozen different journals other than The Macro Comparative Journal. BigEars42 (talk) 17:50, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know he has published an article on the Mittani's God on JIES which meets Wikipedia's criteria to be a valid source. However. his self-published stuff (in the TMCJ or elsewhere) does not. Talskubilos (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Talskubilos (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2013 (UTC)