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Old talk[edit]

We are a group of students and just amazed how Kathmandu has grown during last 4 years. Thus the change we just made in the population figure of the whole Kathmandu valley. -- Greeting from Kathmandu!

I am reverting anon's changing the description of the sculpture as being of "Kali" as being of "Bhairav". I am doing this because "Kali" is how the National Geographic Magazine I got the image from describes it, and we have a Kali article, but at present none for Bhairav, and no articles link there. For all I know the old National Geographic may be wrong and the anon editor right; if so feel free to change it back, but some explanation would be appreciated, as would at least a start on an article about Bhairav, if appropriate. -- Infrogmation 19:42, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The sculpture is called in Nepali "Kalo Bhairab" ("Black Bhairav"); I believe National Geographic confused this with the name Kali. (There is another statue of Bhairav in the area called "Seto Bhairab" ["White Bhairav"].) A Google image search on "kalo bhairab" will pull up a couple of modern picture of this statue and Kerry Moran's "Nepal Handbook" (ISBN 0-918373-64-4) also identifies it as such.

Bhairav (in Hindi; Nepali Bhairab, Sanskrit Bhairava) is the name of the fearsome aspect of Shiva. --Anon

I've deleted the claim that Kathmandu was established in 764AD and added more detail on its history--P Funk 16:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Demographics

I don't know where the figure of 3.2 million comes from, but it is absolutely wrong. The city of Kathmandu has roughly 800,000 people, the city of Lalitpur (Patan) 200,000. Last year I listed all Nepali cities with recent population figures in Wikipedia, but it disappeared, so I'm writing these figures from memory. There are a number of smaller cities and communities in the Valley that make up the metropolitain area, such as Bhaktapur (70,000), Madyapur-Thimi and Kirtipur, both under 50,000. Even with all the many smaller places, that never adds up to 3 million! One could draw the cicle around Kathmandu larger and perhaps add Banepa, Panauti and Dhulikhel, but that hardly adds another 100,000. While I'm at it, the maps don't quite depict the sizes of Nepali cities correctly. Biratnagar still is the 2. or 3. largest city in the country, but it is marked as a smaller place than e.g. Hetauda. Rony Liebheit, Stuttgart, Germany

Who over said this?[edit]

Never in the history of the entire country Kathmandu been known as Lalitpur. Patan is still known as Lalitpur even today. Merishi 07:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Could somebody please explain the phrase "known for its catmen" to me? I have looked for the term and not come up with anything connected to Kathmandu or Nepal.

what about the company?[edit]

There is a company called Kathmandu which doesn't appear to have any reference. Should that be included in this page or should there be a disambiguation page? Cigale 22:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No. Looks like a non-remarkable company.Billlion 07:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Its a major chain with stores in Australia and New Zealand, I think it deserves a disambiguation header. -- Chuq 01:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
After a quick google, it appears they are in the UK as well. -- Chuq 01:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Very interesting (and telling) that a contributor above would suggest that disambiguation is not necessary because the contributor deems the clothing producer of the same name “a non-remarkable company.” The function of creating a disambiguation page is to clarify and assist in alleviating confusion. Why should the company need to be remarkable in order to warrant a disambiguation page? I fail to understand the reasoning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.79.62.16 (talk) 13:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, i came here looking for the company, these comments were made 4 years ago! but still no mention within the article, not even in a "see also" section (but thank you to Cigale for the link above] 79.66.223.151 (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I coud not agree on the figure on air pollution in Kathmandu[edit]

"The PM10 levels in Kathmandu have seen a three-fold increase in the last decade."

The report also mentioned that PM10 levels are 148 micrograms per cubic meter. If we take this as PM10 concentration for today, we should have last decade's figure as 50 micrograms per cubic meter. But previous data does not suggest this.

Actually, the monitoring methodology during a study in last decade and now is totally defferent. We can not compare the data like this.

Please make changes in the document. Anil 10:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Kathmandu Disambiguation reqd[edit]

Kathmandu is a very vague term. It can mean-

Hence, having a single article for all the three entities is confusing and misleading. All of these three terms are used in daily practices depending upon the group of people. So, I propose having Kathmandu as a disambiguation page with three entries named above. Thanks.--Eukesh 02:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why but the song "Katmandu" by Bob Seger redirects here. Maybe it's about this city but regardless the song should have it's own page168.184.244.251 23:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

A lot of information exists here which is suitable for kathmandu valley and kathmandu district but not accurate as it is not about the metropolitan city proper. --NS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.75.251 (talk) 18:59, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

requ3st citation[edit]

request citation for the nickname kathmandu as "cat" ----03:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)~User:Kushal_one

"CAT"

Abt the different pages for Kathmandu[edit]

Most of the people who are editing here do not know the difference between the different usage of the term Kathmandu. So, I think it is better to have Kathmandu as a disam. page rather than any of the four entities for which it is used. It was a terrible idea to redirect Kathmandu Metropolitan city to kathmandu as most of the people edit kathmandu without knowing that they are editing about the metropolitan city only. Please do not redirect the article again.--Eukesh (talk) 18:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Again (I already responded to the same note, copied to my talk page), please set up a request for moves. I had no choice but to preserve the redirect and original page, because cut and paste moves are problematic. Let's have a discussion about which name is more suitable. El_C 22:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Some of the other problems with your changes: all the inter-language links (to articles in other-language Wikipedias about the city) simply vanish; most of the categories, gone. And, for some unknown reason, you keep shortening the lead so that it doesn't mention this city is the capital of Nepal. Please, keep in mind that this is a collaborative edits. We have many other capital and other cities and we have certain conventions that thousands and thousands of editors use. We want your contributions and expertise, but we want them to be channeled collaboratively and with an eye toward consistency with other similar entries. Thanks. El_C 22:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I did not request for move because the three articles are already there. Besides, most of the things mentioned in the article Kathmandu is misleading. There are 5 places with minicipality status and 3 historically recognized cities (the article mentions two cities in valley). Most of the tourists information eg-Thamel being the prime is false. It is mere calculation of Westerners. There are far more domestic and Indian tourists who visit Pashupatinath, Bouddha, Swayambhunath and the old cities more than Thamel. Thamel is just a westerner's hub. I keep removing the part that Kathmandu is capital of Nepal because I have not found a single evidence which suggests whether Kathmandu District, Kathmandu City or Kathmandu Valley is the capital. Not all ministeries and foreign embassies are located in Kathmandu City or District. Most of the central level offices are scattered throughout the valley. However, except for the valley police force and UNESCO heritage status, there is no other official recognition of valley besides its importance geographically. I think a better solution might be to expand the article Kathmandu a little and state that it is the capital of Nepal and then add a section about various uses of Kathmandu. Then, we can add the influences like the song of Bob Seger, Cat Stevens etc.(which can mean any of the three Kathmandus). What do you say?--Eukesh (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I say we follow the naming convention of other encyclopedias, like Britannica (Concise), Encarta, Columbia, etc. Thoughts? El_C 10:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry abt late reply. The examples that has been presented above are gross generalization fit only for concise reference. There are even more concise encyclopedias which have no reference to Kathmandu at all. So, on the basis of those concise encyclopediae, should the page Kathmandu be deleted? I think the answer is no. The extent of the word Kathmandu is different and so is the administrative, geographical and cultural relations. These can be evident by the following offical websites and cultural site listing official "Kathmandu"s and some entities within various usage of "Kathmandu"-

This list can go on for ever. So, a generalized article tends to mix all of these entities together. For example, Kathmandu valley is allegely founded by Manjushri, where as Kathmandu city (the base of present metro) was founded by Gunakamdev, who has nothing to do with the founding of Lalitpur. So, the word Kathmandu can best serve as a disambiguation page with brief generalized introduction about the various usage of Kathmandu lest there is some rule about this sort of nomenclature. --Eukesh (talk) 11:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Elevation[edit]

The opening section states an elevation of 2230 m. but the geography section states 1336 m. I believe the latter is more closer to the correct value. My Lonely Planet book on Nepal states 1337. Other sources I have seen indicate around the 1330 mark as well. When I was there several years ago, it didn't feel like 2200 metres. :) RedWolf (talk) 08:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, if we can have 1337, let's do that! El_C 15:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


Sister City List[edit]

Can we get some citations for the sister cities listed on this page? I find it very suspect that Pyongyang would join in the sister city program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.79.62.16 (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

What's special about Kathmandu?[edit]

I believe there is a lot more to write about.

ART: Architecture, History of Art in Kathmandu, Art schools in Kathmandu, Art scenes in Kathmandu, Art Galleries, Painting, Music, Jazzmandu Festival, Art workshops (Sutra). There are just random stuff I know...

LEGENDS: Manjushree and the sword, the origin of Swyambhu, the dragons that used to live here, the deities/gods/goddesses...

And also why not introduce some good Restaruants, places to hang around.

Kathmandu is a paradise for Artists or people who just like beauty. I think this would be good information for them.

Sadishdhakal (talk) 04:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

take out the precedent of there post, that will be better for nepal conuntry!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.53.164.123 (talk) 07:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that we need to add more of the stuffs proposed above. However, the problem is that there are very few people who really know about Kathmandu editing here. Most of the stuffs here are from tourist handbooks and very superficial literature. We need more people who know about Kathmandu or have sound knowledge in standard literature (most of which is In Nepali and Nepalbhasa) editing here. Thank you.--Eukesh (talk) 16:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The top picture[edit]

These Sadus, depicted in the first picture, are not what the seem. The sadus that paint themselves, and generally make a spectacle of themselves, are not really holy - they hang around, asking tourists to photograph them for money. The caption states they reside in the fringes of society - if so, how come these 'holy men' hang around in Pashupatinath Temple, one of the principle tourist areas? Furthermore, the caption states that they live alone - if so, how come there are two of them?

It is true, that there are holy men in Pashupatinath, but they live in caves in the side of the mountain. They do not paint themselves, and they do not hang around in twos.

Should this pic be removed? Well, if we are going to be accurate, then at least the caption should be modified. Theo Chevallier 18:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thechevs (talkcontribs)

I propose that the photo of the two actor sadhus who hang around Durbar Square should be removed. One, sadhus are not related to Durbar Square, two, real sadhus don't live in downtown. Karrattul (talk) 17:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I support the proposal. We need to create a new and more illustrative collage of Kathmandu than the one at the moment. --Eukesh (talk) 16:30, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

What does this mean?[edit]

In the History section, I found this "Sentence": "Four stupas around the city of Patan, said to have been erected by Charumati, attest to the ancient history present within are in Patan near kendra Hiranyavarna Mahavihara (called "Patukodon")." The part "ancient history present within are in Patan..." is not comprehensible English. Ed8r (talk) 16:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Section on Economy and Business[edit]

Beginning with the second paragraph of this section, the information is about all of Nepal, not the Metropolitan City of Kathmandu. I believe these paragraphs should be entirely removed from the article. Ed8r (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, I have removed them myself and placed them here. The information does not have reference source(s) nor is it relevant to an article about the city of Kathmandu.

In economic perspectives, Nepal still lags behind much of the countries that were poorer previously. However, Terai, to the south of Nepal houses major factories and companies that export goods. In addition, Nepal has lately been famous for the 'Lokta Paper', which has an international standard. Nepal ranks among the world's poorest countries, with a per capita income of around $470 in 2009. Based on national calorie/GNP criteria, an estimated 31% of the population is below the poverty line. An isolated, agrarian society until the mid-20th century, Nepal entered the modern era in 1951 without schools, hospitals, roads, telecommunications, electric power, industry, or a civil service. The country has, however, made progress toward sustainable economic growth since the 1950s and is committed to a program of economic liberalization.

Nepal launched its 10th five-year economic development plan in 2002; its currency has been made convertible; and fourteen state enterprises have been privatized, seven liquidated, and two dissolved. Foreign aid accounts for more than half the development budget. The Government of Nepal has shown an increasing commitment to fiscal transparency, good governance, and accountability. Also in 2002, the government began to prioritize development projects and eliminate wasteful spending. In consultation with civil society and donors, the government cut 160 development projects that were driven by political patronage.

Agriculture remains Nepal's principal economic activity, employing over 71% of the population and providing 32.12% of GDP. Only about 25% of the total area is cultivable; another 33% is forested; most of the rest is mountainous. Rice and wheat are the main food crops. The lowland Terai region produces an agricultural surplus, part of which supplies the food-deficient hill areas. Because of Nepal's dependence on agriculture, the magnitude of the annual monsoon rain strongly influences economic growth.

In FY 2007/2008 Nepal's exports increased by 2.4%, compared to a decrease of 1.4% in FY 2006/2007. Imports grew by 16.1% in FY 2007/2008 as compared to 12% in FY 2006/2007. Exports constrained by political turmoil and a poor investment climate in the last fiscal year grew marginally owing to improvement in the political situation. The trade deficit for FY 2006/2007 was $1.9 billion, which widened to $2.5 billion in FY 2007/2008. Real GDP growth during 1996-2002 averaged less than 5%. According to the revised estimates of the Central Bureau of Statistics, GDP grew 4.68% in FY 2003/2004 and slipped to 3.12% in FY 2004/2005, but again increased marginally to 3.72% in 2005/2006 and slipped to 3.19% in FY 2006/2007.

Despite its growing trade deficit, Nepal traditionally has a balance of payments (BOP) surplus due to remittances from Nepalese working abroad. In FY 2007/2008, Nepal recorded a balance of payments surplus of $452.9 million (0.4% of GDP), as compared to $83.58 million in FY 2006/2007 (0.01% of GDP). Significant rise in workers' remittances and grants assistance contributed to a record level of BOP surplus in FY 2007/2008, however, the BOP surplus covered import trade credit amounting to $232 million in 2007/08, reflecting a rather fragile base. In the previous year, import trade credit was at a lower level of $ 25.95 million. Nepal receives substantial amounts of external assistance from India, the United Kingdom, the United States, Japan, Germany, and the Scandinavian countries. Several multilateral organizations--including the World Bank, the Asian Development Bank, and the UN Development Program--also provide significant assistance. On April 23, 2004, Nepal became the 147th member of the World Trade Organization (WTO).

With eight of the world's ten highest mountain peaks--including Mt. Everest at 8,848 m (29,000 ft)--Nepal is a tourist destination for hikers and mountain climbers. However, the decade-long insurgency and a global economic slowdown threatened the tourism industry. But 2007 witnessed a renewed wave of tourism. Figures from the Department of Immigration showed a 37.2% increase in arrivals in 2007, which surpassed the numbers of tourist arrivals during 1999, the peak tourism year prior to 2006. Since the political parties and Maoists brokered a comprehensive peace agreement in November 2006, renewed tourist arrivals have given relief to the tourism-based hotel, trekking, mountaineering, and aviation industries.

Swift rivers flowing south through the Himalayas have massive hydroelectric potential to service domestic power needs and growing demand from India. Only about 1% of Nepal's hydroelectric potential is currently tapped. Several hydroelectric projects, at Kulekhani and Marsyangdi, were completed in the early to late 1980s. In the early 1990s, one large public-sector project, the Kali Gandaki A (144 megawatts--MW), and a number of private projects were planned; some have been completed. Kali Gandaki A started commercial operation in August 2002. The most significant privately financed hydroelectric projects currently in operation are the Khimti Khola (60 MW) and Bhote Koshi (36 MW) projects.

The environmental impact of Nepal's hydroelectric projects has been limited by the fact that most are "run-of-river," with only one storage project undertaken to date. The planned private-sector West Seti (750 MW) storage project is dedicated to electricity exports. An Australian company signed a power purchase agreement with the Indian Power Trading Corporation in September 2002 and has the lead on the project. Negotiations with India for a power purchase agreement have been underway for several years, but agreement on pricing and capital financing remains a problem. The Government of Nepal has taken up the issue of project financing for the West Seti project with the EXIM Bank of China. Starting in December 2006, the Department of Electricity Development obtained proposals from 14 foreign companies for survey licenses of three projects--600 MW Budhi Gandaki, 402 MW Arun III, and 300 MW Upper Karnali. The Ministry of Water Resources, after delaying the evaluation process for more than a year, finally awarded the 300 MW Upper Karnali to Indian private sector developer GMR Energy Ltd. In March 2008, the 402 MW Arun III was awarded to India's state-owned Sutlej Jal Vidyut Nigam (SJVN). The Department of Electricity Development had invited fresh global tenders for the 600 MW Budhi Gandi project in December 2007, but it failed to attract investors. Currently, domestic demand for electricity is increasing at 8%-10% a year.

Population pressure on natural resources is increasing. Overpopulation is already straining the "carrying capacity" of the middle hill areas, particularly the Kathmandu Valley, resulting in the depletion of forest cover for crops, fuel and fodder, and contributing to erosion and flooding. Additionally, water supplies within the Kathmandu Valley are not considered safe for consumption, and disease outbreaks are not uncommon. Although steep mountain terrain makes exploitation difficult, mineral surveys have found small deposits of limestone, magnesite, zinc, copper, iron, mica, lead, and cobalt.

Progress has been achieved in education, health, and infrastructure. A countrywide primary education system is under development, and Tribhuvan University has several campuses. Although eradication efforts continue, malaria has been controlled in the fertile but previously uninhabitable Terai region in the south.

History[edit]

IMO the article is too long and thus should be written in WP:SUMMARY style. --Redtigerxyz Talk 04:57, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


Blatant Self-Promotion by Yanks[edit]

What is the purpose of the photo of sneering Yank mercenaries in uniforms, celebrating some of their own holiday in an article on Kathmandu? There are foreign military officers attached to embassies of MOST COUNTRIES IN EVERY OTHER COUNTRY. Yet, they are not featured as an "illustration" of that locale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.245.123.77 (talk) 23:20, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

kathmandu[edit]

Kathmandu is one of the most highest elevation in the city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.89.66 (talk) 14:43, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

kathmandu[edit]

The city stands at an elevation of approximately 1,400 metres (4,600 ft) in the bowl-shaped valley in central Nepal surrounded by four major mountains, namely: Shivapuri, Phulchowki, Nagarjun and Chandragiri. It is inhabited by 671,846 (2001) people. The Kathmandu valley with its three districts including Kathmandu District accounts for a population density of only 97 per km2 whereas Kathmandu metropolitan city has a density of 13,225 per km2. It is by far the largest urban agglomerate in Nepal, accounting for 20% of the urban population in an area of 5,067 hectares (12,520 acres) (50.67 square kilometres (19.56 sq mi)).[5][6][7][8]

Kathmandu is not only the capital of the Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal but also the headquarters of the Central Region (Madhyamanchal) among the five development regions constituted by the 14 administrative zones of Nepal located at the central part of the country. The Central region has three zones namely, Bagmati, Narayani and Janakpur. Kathmandu is located in the Bagmati Zone.[9]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.89.66 (talk) 14:45, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Established[edit]

I found this (archived in 2007) that provides a precise date when the city was built. The updated city page just says in the 900s. I suppose the updated version is probably more accurate, but I wasn't sure if we had another source. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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population[edit]

the population figures for ktm are pure fantasy and very far fetched. there are no sources whatsoever for these numbers. the city could be approaching one million soon but the only reliable census was in 2001. on one of the sources listed for these fantasy numbers i found this:

The population of the three districts of Kathmandu Valley increased from 1,107,370 in 1991 to 1,647,092 in 2001. The annual population growth rate in Kathmandu district was 4.71%. The population of Kathmandu district was 1,081,845 in 2001 (4.7% of Nepal’s population). The urban population density of Kathmandu Valley is 10,265 (the population is 995,966 and the area 97 sq.km). On the other hand, the rural population is also increasing slowly in the valley. The average annual growth of the rural population is comparatively higher than for Nepal as a whole. If present growth continues, the population of the valley in 2020 will reach 2.5 million.

i will change the numbers accordingly and anyone putting in new figures should state sources.Sundar1 (talk) 16:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

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Kathmandu... again[edit]

I have pointed this fact previously in the discussion and I believe that this point needs to be pointed out again. What does this article refer to when it says "Kathmandu"? Is it Kathmandu Metropolitan City, Kathmandu District, Kathmandu Valley or Nepal? From the personal POV of a person from Kathmandu Metropolitan City (which is located in Kathmandu District, Kathmandu Valley, Nepal) , this article is way too confusing from its introduction to the end, confusing the reader times and again between the four distinct entities above-mentioned. Authors, please be clear what one is writing about. I believe that this confusion will continue as long as we do not separate the page and create Kathmandu as a disambiguation page with redirection to Kathmandu Metropolitan City. Thank you. --Eukesh (talk) 07:27, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree. If you click on the "History of Kathmandu" link, the page gives you nothing but the standard history of Nepal. Indeed, such confusion can be clarified if the reader is made aware of the fact that for much of the history, only the valley was referred to as Nepal. (Manoguru (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2012 (UTC))
nothing is connfusing in the article. the Kathmandu Metropolitan City should be deleted as this article refers to that.HasperHunter (talk) 03:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
You must be kidding. This article does not refer to Kathmandu Metropolitan City. Its a mixture of all the 4 things that I mentioned above. Besides, if it does, it should be called Kathmandu Metropolitan City as there are many uses of the term Kathmandu. --Eukesh (talk) 15:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Panoramic view of Ktm.???[edit]

The panoramic view [[File:Kathmandu_Paranoma_.jpg]] does not include even a single known structural landmark of Kathmandu MC (Dharahara, Singha Durbar, TIA, Tower of Basantapur Durbar Square to name a few). I believe most of the view shows the VDCs surrounding Kathmandu Metropolitan City. With no disrespect to the author of the picture (its a very nice snap), I think it is better to remove the picture from the article as it does not serve the purpose. Thank you.--Eukesh (talk) 07:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Blank History of Kathmandu[edit]

The section history of Kathmandu was blanked because the main article itself had all the information and had been repeated here. So was it wise enough to blank the section or was it stupid? I have the original text stored. I can retrieve it if needed. Nissim 14 (talk) 08:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Spelling[edit]

The article should say something about the spelling Katmandu, which has been commonly used in English (as indicated by, among other things, the song titles in the article). Is this an obsolete spelling, an alternative that has become less fashionable, or what?

--142.205.241.254 (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

That is a mis-spelling. The accepted spelling of is Kathmandu with 'h'. This error might have been caused due to the fact that Westerners mispronounce the name as 'Cat-man-du', with just 3 syllables, instead of 'Ka-th-man-du', with 4 syllables. (Manoguru (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC))

Compressing the "Architecture & Cityscape" section[edit]

I quite agree with the criticism that this section is unnecessarily long. However my reason for concern is due to the fact that it has multiplicity of the same stuff. Kasthamandap, Kumari Ghar, Hanuman Dhoka and Durbar Square can all be compressed under a single heading of Kathmandu Durbar Square Complex. I think it would be healthy if the subsection is directed to the main article Kathmandu Durbar Square and Hanuman Dhoka. Another concern is that Changu Narayan temple is more properly said to be in Bhaktapur than in Kathmandu. (Manoguru (talk) 16:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC))

Some work done. Still lots to do in that section. Regarding Changu, its a part of Kathmandu agglomerate and not Kathmandu metropolitan city. --Eukesh (talk) 14:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Christianity[edit]

In the subsection Christianity, there is an inconsistency in the percentage of Christian population. At the beginning it states "...a small percentage of 0.45 % of the total population of Nepal," while towards the end it states "...estimates indicate their strength at 2% of the total population." Whoever is looking at this section, please clear up the issue. (Manoguru (talk) 07:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC))

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk · contribs) 23:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I will be reviewing this article and should have my full review up soon. Dana boomer (talk) 23:09, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to fail this article's nomination for GA status. As it stands, this article has quite a few issues that prevent it from being of GA status. Here are some thoughts:

  • Referencing is currently the biggest issue.
    • There are quite a few places missing references. Some sections are completely or mostly unreferenced - for example: Modern era, Police, Durbar Square, Festivals, Religion, Sports, Healthcare, In popular culture.
    • There are two citation needed tags.
    • There are six dead links in the references, which can be found listed here. One of them is already tagged.
    • Web references should include a title, publisher and access date at the very least. Authors, publication dates, etc. should be given where applicable.
  • The history section needs to be reworked and expanded. In the last two subsections (Medieval history and Modern era) there is only one date mentioned, and this is a reference to an entire century. This leaves the reader in the dark, not knowing what dates the medieval and modern eras covered. There is a lot of reference to "this era", without defining what the eras are. Also, there should be a few more specific dates to give the reader more reference points.
  • I think some of the weighting of the sections is putting undue weight on some aspects of the city. For example, the Architecture and cityscape section is over three times bigger than the history section, and the Culture subsection on Museums alone is bigger than the entire Demographics section.
  • The prose needs quite a bit of work. There is quite a bit of poor grammar and the punctuation is spotty.
  • There are two disambiguation needed tags.
  • Standardize spellings per WP:ENGVAR. I see neighbor and neighbour, organize and organise, recognize and recognise - these are just examples.

The referencing is currently the biggest issue holding the article back from promotion to GA status, although the weighting issues are also a concern. I have not done an in-depth check of prose, reference reliability or images, due to the number of issues I found on a quick sweep. Articles on large, historic cities are often difficult, and I would suggest that the main author(s) take some time to work through the article with an eye towards proper balance, good referencing and solid prose. After that has been done, I look forward to seeing the article back at WP:GAN. Please let me know if you have any questions, Dana boomer (talk) 23:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Who nominated this? Its way off at the moment!! I'm annoyed that they nominated it without telling me as this has now failed when I wanted to ensure it passed first time. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
It looks like it was nominated by a relatively new editor named User:Bineetojha. I'm sorry you weren't able to get a GA on the first try - I know how frustrating that can be... (I had a new editor once FAC nominate one of the articles I was working on - far before it was ready...the article now permanently has a failed FAC tag on the page, despite the fact that it passed with flying colors once I actually got around to nominating it myself.) Dana boomer (talk) 16:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah its irritating, especially when somebody does that at FAC. The article needs a lot of work. The history needs restoring and then condensing properly and then it needs sourcing properly and a final copyedit. I haven't got around to it yet!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you'd like some more input once you get to that point, just give me a ping. Good luck! Dana boomer (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you Dana, this article does need corrections! I'll go along with your recommendations, and work best from my part to make it perfect. Till we are done with these issues, I'd recommend this page to be semi-protected, so to minimize vandalism and poor editing. Kathmandu is a popular destination, therefore it attracts numerous irrelevant edits, from many unconfirmed users. Let me know your feedback on this issue?

Thanks Salman 11:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samsujata (talkcontribs)

Hi Salman. At this point, I see no need for semi-protection. Semi-protection is generally used when there is extensive, day-to-day obvious vandalism by IPs - from a quick look at the article history, this does not seem to be the case. Since this review is now closed, I would suggest working on the talk page of the article with experienced contributors such as Dr. Blofeld to improve the article. Dana boomer (talk) 20:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Query[edit]

I'm new to Wikipedia. I had written a wee bit about how Kathmandu was filmed in the Golden Child, the movie starring Eddie Murphy; I was wondering why it was deleted. Cheers! --Ankit Rimal (talk) 12:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Its not important to Kathmandu, that was why I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:59, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect HDI[edit]

The human development index for Kathmandu is listed as 1. The citation links to a UN report showing that Kathmandu's HDI within the country of Nepal is 1, however this is not true for a world wide HDI (Nepal ranks 157th). I suggest that we remove the HDI from this page because it is commonly applied to countries, and not localities. If we decide to leave the HDI on the page then we at lease need to add that this HDI rating is within the country. Sean Egan (talk) 05:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It is properly sourced and the article is of a city. So we are not dealing with countries in the 1st place. The HDI is of the city kathmandu. So anyone should understand that it means its of a city inside a country.HasperHunter (talk) 18:16, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Section on Changu Narayan[edit]

The section on Changu Narayan should be deleted as it properly belongs to Bhaktapur and not Kathmandu. Changu Narayan comes up in the Bhaktapur article as well. (Manoguru (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2012 (UTC))

Bhaktapur is a district within Kathmandu valley. The article does not specify whether its about Kathmandu metro, Kathmandu district or Kathmandu valley. Changu Narayan should not be removed from the article if the article is about Kathmandu valley. --Eukesh (talk) 15:09, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Images needed[edit]

I think that illustrative images (and accompanying text) of the following places are needed in the article-

  • Kaiser Mahal in Library section
  • Gokarna golf course, Central zoo in tourism section or a new leisure section
  • Bir Hospital, Patan Hospital and SAARC Tuberculosis center in Healthcare section
  • ICIMOD Head office and SAARC secretariat in a new organizations section
  • FNCCI Headoffice, Nepal Stock Exchange and Nepal Rastra Bank in Economy section
  • Babar Mahal, Kaiser Mahal, Singha Durbar in Architecture
  • New Road and Durbar Marg in Economy or leisure section
  • Panorama of Kathmandu Durbar Square
  • NTV Head office in Media

Thank you.--Eukesh (talk) 14:00, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone refer to kathmandu as Tricity??[edit]

In the first paragraph the article states "Kathmandu is also known informally as "KTM" or the "tri-city"... Really?.. KTM I can understand but would still need reference...but just because urban dictionary has a sentence example does not make it credible? .. Any thoughts?.. Any references?.. I will wait for few days for any additional reference... if not I will delete the sentence.Koteshwor (talk) 03:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)