Talk:Keir Hardie

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Wikipedia standards[edit]

I had to remove these sentences from article.

'Interestingly, the speech's predictions would become completely true in time:'

'This xenphobic and racist attitude of Kier Hardie has not been publicised over the years. It is interesting that this wikipedia entry does not contain any facts on this controversial subject.'

The main article is not the place for adding what editor's might consider 'interesting'. Also citation of reliable sources needed if you are going to claim racist attitudes. Hurin333 (talk) 09:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Too uncritical[edit]

This is far too uncritical. The tone is wrong - it reads to much like an authorised history and less like an encyclopedia article. Secretlondon 11:07, Oct 31, 2003 (UTC)

It *was* the first article I wrote here...

Also finding critical stuff on Hardie is very hard... Alun Ephraim 16:33, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

How was it possible for him to be a Independent Labour Party-candidate in 1888 when the party, according to this article, as well as others, was formed in 1893? Gunnar Larsson 18:54, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I suppose the intended meaning is "independent labour candidate", not "Independent Labour Party candidate". I am going to change it now. Nicke L 23:23, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Nicke L and Gunnar and I think I made the change to independed labour MP a few years ago. It seems to have be changed back at some point in the past three years? While the ILP was formed in 1893, Hardie was elected in 1892 and at the time was an independent labour MP, not an Independence Labour Party MP. (JSClifford 20:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC))

Thanx for the info a nice copy and paste was all that was required for my history essay, cheers mate! =)

This does not reflect the xenophobic nature of Keir Hardie. He was fiercely opposed to the Lithuanian immigrants who settled in Lanarkshire in the 1890s. Keir Hardie, in his evidence to the 1899 House of Commons Select Committee on emigration and immigration, argues that the Scots resented immigrants greatly and that they would want a total immigration ban. When it was pointed out to him that more people left Scotland than entered it, he replied:

'It would be much better for Scotland if those 1,500 were compelled to remain there and let the foreigners be kept out... Dr Johnson said God made Scotland for Scotchmen, and I would keep it so.'

Hardie, as a leader of Ayrshire miners, wrote an article for the journal, The Miner, in which he stated that: "For the second time in their history Messrs. Merry and Cunninghame have introduced a number of Russian Poles to Glengarnock Ironworks. What object they have in doing so is beyond human ken unless it is, as stated by a speaker at Irvine, to teach men how to live on garlic and oil, or introduce the Black Death, so as to get rid of the surplus labourers."

By Russian Poles, he was referring to the Lithuanians.

What is your point? Mattley ^(Chattley) 14:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My dad says he knows who Keir Hardy's father was. Apparently we're related to him. If anyone's interested you can email me at 0204076g@student.gla.ac.uk

Emma

The cottage is no longer claimed to be Keir Hardie's birthplace. My grandmother, who knew and remembered him, said he was born in a now demolished building on the other side of the road. The sign about his birthplace probably referred to the now almost vanished hamlet of Legbrannock, but since the cottage is the only building still standing there, it was wrongly assumed to be the house of his birth.Wmck (talk) 12:09, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The first statement of this entry is wrong. The Labour Party did not form until at least 1900 and was not called the Labour Party until 1906 or 7. Hardie was a founding member of the Independent Labour Party, a different party that later joined the Labour Party. I will change this and then see if I can find the time to add more later. JC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cljim22 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Daniel Grimston? I suspect the reference in the opening paragraph is spurious and should be removed.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by ReddFlagg (talk • contribs) 10:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hardie's anti-immigrant campaigning[edit]

Seems very odd indeed that Wikipedia's article omits any mention of Hardie's vicious campaign against Baltic immigrants to the Lanarkshire coalfields. Henry McLeish (former FM) and other biographers have gone into some detail on this topic, and reliable ext refs are not hard to come by. --Mais oui! (talk) 08:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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David Hardie[edit]

Hardie's father was William Aitken, miner - this is stated on the birth certificate. His mother married David Hardie later.

See Henry Pelling, 1965, Origins of the Labour Party: Second Edition Oxford University Press, p.62, which footnotes the primary source.

Keir Hardie's birthplace[edit]

The area of Legbrannock has a sign saying that it is Keir Hardie's birthplace see here. This was a very small area in-between Holytown and Newhouse, we understand that it is not in Newhouse as the article cites. Does anyone have further information on this?RussellWBrown (talk) 15:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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