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Population[edit]

This article mentions the population of Ketchikan three different times, and gives a different figure each time! Isn't once enough? GeneCallahan (talk) 19:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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ZIP code[edit]

99901 is not the highest zip code in the united states. Ward Cove, another borough on the same island as ketchikan has a zipcode of 99928. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.175.133 (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The problem appears to originate from two sources: This one - but it does not appear to qualify as a WP:RS. The second source being the USPS website, which if you search for "Ketchikan, AK", it lists 99950 as a ZIP Code for an APO/FPO (Air/Army Post Office or Fleet Post Office) or a domestic military installation for a specific PO Box.
However, an alternate search tool on the USPS website shows 99950 being valid for three locations, each of which are many miles apart: Ketchikan, Edna Bay, and Kasaan. So, the inconsistency of the USPS data brings the information into question, so I've removed the information until a more reliable source can be found to clarify it. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 22:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As a Ketchikan resident, I can tell you with the utmost certainty that 99901 is the Ketchikan zipcode. 67.189.104.78 (talk) 00:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't doubt it; but it's not uncommon for PO Boxes to have different zip codes from the rest of the community. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 02:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
United States Postal Service Facts
  • "Highest Number ZIP Code is 99950 in Ketchikan, AK."
Ketchikan spans several Zip Codes
99901 is Ketchikan's primary local ZIP code including P.O. Boxes
99950 is used for Ketchikan remote/rural customers P.O. Boxes, For instance: several Prince of Wales island/Outer Ketchikan communities which the Post Office does not do home delivery.
If you select ZIP Codes by City
99903, 99918, 99919 are also used for Ketchikan P.O. Boxes
For those doubters, go to ZIP Code Lookup,
select Find All Cities in a ZIP Code
99950, Actual City name in 99950: (PO BOX) KETCHIKAN, AK; Acceptable City names in 99950: EDNA BAY, AK; KASAAN, AK
99901, Actual City name in 99901: KETCHIKAN, AK; Acceptable City names in 99901: EDNA BAY, AK; KASAAN, AK; NAUKATI BAY, AK
99903, Actual City name in 99903: (PO BOX) MEYERS CHUCK, AK; Acceptable City names in 99903: KETCHIKAN, AK
99918, Actual City name in 99918: (PO BOX) COFFMAN COVE, AK; Acceptable City names in 99918: KETCHIKAN, AK
99919, Actual City name in 99919: (PO BOX) THORNE BAY, AK; Acceptable City names in 99919: KETCHIKAN, AK
And these P.O. Boxes are physically located in Ketchikan (even though they may serve "remote" customers).
LeheckaG (talk) 04:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, the USPS Facts & Figures page is exactly what I was hoping could be found to use as a reliable source. I also went in and modified the url's in the ref tags to prepopulate the cite, state, and zip information in the two relevant ref tags. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 15:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The Mayor?[edit]

I don't know much about Ketchikan - I'm studying it as part of my A-level (it's a British higher education qualification) but doesn't it go without saying that the Mayor lives in the city? St91 (talk) 20:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he would live there of course. The only other places are (very) small communities such as Ward Cove and Saxman; these are really nothing more than extensions of Ketchikan with perhaps their own store/gas station combination and - best I recall - maybe a volunteer fire station. (I lived in Ketchikan for two entire summers, in 2003-04). Saxman is notable for its totem poles and an offloading point for cargo from ships. Ward cove I think had a fishing history and I beleive a now-defunct lumber industry. In any event, the Mayor is not a "notable resident" in the sense Wikipedia means and should not be on that list.
Good luck on the A-levels. The notable points of Ketchikan are 1) Current reliance on tourism (and the cruise ships), 2) the commerical fishing industry that largely transitioned to sport fishing in the 80s, 3) the amount of rain the area gets, and 4) some of its colorful history such as the Red Light district that lasted into the 1950s, its involvment in rum-running in Prohibition, etc....Hope this post isn't too late to help! Engr105th (talk) 13:03, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Dubious material[edit]

I removed this content, which someone at 206.223.207.119 added in place of the lead section's third paragraph. Some of it looks like it's backed up by improperly-formatted references and therefore possibly useful. On the other hand, asserting that an isolated town like Ketchikan is a suburb of a place I've never heard of sounds pretty preposterous:

Ketchikan is accidently named after the old Wrangell. The Tlingit name for the region around Wrangell was called in Tlingit, "Tennath-Kutchin" meaning "Middle People". Swanton "The Tlingit People" page 25. These lands are owned by the Sovereign Tribe of the Hehl, known by the Tlingits as the "Xel Tribe", Foam People. From Boca de Quadra to just above the Stikine River, From Canada to the inside passage, Etolin, Wrangell and Revillagegado island as well as other small islands, are Hehl Tribal Lands. Ketchikan is a suburb of greater Loring.

A. Parrot (talk) 22:44, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, this contributor got it right, if you're talking about 1892, that is. I'm thinking it's a higher-than-4th-grade-level troll. Loring is a long-standing ghost town to the (northwest?) of Ketchikan, with a substantial history of its own for its time, which was attempting to be the population center of the region. It was built around a cannery and nearby timber industries.RadioKAOS (talk) 15:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

NPOV check[edit]

From the article:

The bridge would have connected the island of Ketchikan to Gravina island where the airport is located so one can drive to the airport rather than taking the ferry across the waters.

Uh, no. The purpose of the bridge was to expand Ketchikan, as land flat enough to build on is in very short supply on Revillagigedo Island. Being able to drive directly to the airport is merely a side benefit.

Since the Gravina Island Bridge project was so controversial, coincidental with it being a major national media topic, this may represent an NPOV violation, specifically with making the purpose of the bridge appear to be so trivial.RadioKAOS (talk) 10:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Photos[edit]

I found a Ketchikan Gateway Borough planning document published in the 1970s. There were a small handful of USFS and USGS photos contained therein, mostly of a historical nature. None of them appear on the USGS website. The USFS search engine was too cumbersome for me to spend that much time dealing with.

The photo which originally caught my attention was of the collapse of the Carlanna Creek bridge in 1973. There were other historical photos which are also appropriate. I'll make an effort to scan them when I can. There is one big problem, though. The article has no history section, and is generally somewhat lacking in historical perspective or information. That's probably beyond the scope of what I can do right now. Anyone else?RadioKAOS (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Southernmost City is Adak or Unalaska[edit]

This article says Ketchikan is the Southernmost City of Alaska, which is 55 Degrees North. The article on Adak says its the Southernmost city of Alaska although it is classified as a CDP at 51 Degrees North, and Unalaska is a City that is 53 Degrees North and classified as a City. Cold Bay, King Cove, and Sand Point are also cities which are 55 Degrees North, so how is Ketchikan the Southernmost City in Alaska? Saxman is also mentioned as a City and it is South of Ketchikan. Metlakatla is South of Ketchikan too but it is a CDP. So there are cities and CDP's south of Ketchikan so should this article be changed to reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.170.30 (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The article currently says "southeasternmost" and not southernmost, so I believe the only objections to that claim would come from Metlakatla and Saxman. As you say, however, Metlakatla is not an incorporated city, and Saxman, while it has a separate political status, is for all intents and purposes a part of the community of Ketchikan. Ketchikanadian (talk) 07:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't catch that, okay that makes sense. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.170.30 (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


History Section[edit]

The article clearly needs a history section. I will look at getting together some sources, but if someone else wants to jumpstart the section thatʼd be great. Ketchikanadian (talk) 05:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)