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Vulgar Libertarianism[edit]

The vulgar libertarianism article has been deleted due to notability issues. I am posting the content of that former article here so that some of the information can eventually be merged into Kevin Carson's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nihila (talkcontribs) 2006-01-13T07:29:50


Vulgar libertarianism, a pejorative term coined by mutualist author Kevin Carson, refers to an ideology that utilizes the ideal of a free market as the basis for defense of economic inequality. The term is derived from the phrase "vulgar political economy", which Karl Marx's described as an economic order that "deliberately becomes increasingly apologetic and makes strenuous attempts to talk out of existence the ideas which contain the contradictions [existing in economic life]." [1]
In Studies in Mutualist Political Economy, Carson asserts that,
"The ideal 'free market' society of such people, it seems, is simply actually existing capitalism, minus the regulatory and welfare state: a hyper-thyroidal version of nineteenth century robber baron capitalism, perhaps; or better yet, a society 'reformed' by the likes of Pinochet, the Dionysius to whom Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys played Aristotle."
Economists and organizations sometimes accused of vulgar libertarianism include Ludwig von Mises, Milton Friedman, Madsen Pirie, Radley Balko and the Adam Smith Institute. The term is most frequently employed by libertarians and anarchists who favor a free market, but reject corporatism.

For N1h1l[edit]

2010 February 3-4: I inserted "In response to these criticisms...," not in response "to Carson" as you wrote (when you were citing your reason for undoing my edit); please don't misread/misquote me. The Chicago economists are addressing Carson's (& others') criticisms re: Latin America & regula'n.

1. Carson (an economics blogger who barely met WP's notability guidelines) is mocking individuals & groups that are Nobel-prize/economics winners, so their responses to Carson's criticism(s) really are more notable (WP:due). WP:due also says that when both sides' positions are available, both are to be given. Otherwise, someone deleting content that supports only one side might appear to be attempting to give a one-sided argument to advance a POV.
2. These economists would be reasonable to consider Carson too insignificant and uncredentialed for them to take time to give him (and every blog that criticizes them) a personal response, but Carson makes criticisms that many others (often of similar ideology to Carson) have made.
3. The "Vulgar Libertarianism" section (which you added, or at least re-added) brings up Carson's criticisms of Chicago, and these economists have addressed such criticisms.
i.e. These economists' commentary are perfectly _relevant_ to this section of the article, in regards to WP policies and in regards to the critiques that K Carson has made, even if they are not addressing Carson personally-- and of course they come from a verifiable, RS source, and meet all other WP stds I can think of (e.g. like Carson's bias, their bias is duly disclosed to the reader (rather than stating a biased source's opinion in an 'encyclopedic voice' as if it were fact)).

If you have further objections, please:

A.) before deleting any content, note actual WP policies that justify any deletion (and in accord with WP policies, please move deleted content to the 'talk' page unless it is "obvious vandalism" or similar cases),
B.) or at least suggest ways that you think the content would no longer be misleading, instead of a wholesale deletion.

P.S. Note that I could just delete the whole Vulgar Libertarianism section because it's unsourced material being attributed to a Living Person: The only link in the section (before I edited it) to support the credibility of parts you've added (or re-added) is not only a deadlink, it also appears to have been a newslist or blog (often those aren't WP:V, even when it was an active link); additionally it was located in a position that suggests it only supported the 1st paragraph's content not the 2nd (so even if it wasn't a deadlink & was WP:V, I could delete half the content in the section (IIRC, added by you)). e.g. The 1st sentence, "Carson credits himself with coining the pejorative term...," is stated in a way that leaves it unclear whether Carson himself has called it pejorative, or if that's just your (quite reasonable) interpretation; unlike my additions that you deleted, I can't even fact-check that b/c you have no reliable/verifiable source. 24.155.209.101 (talk) 13:54, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous, you seem to be unfamiliar with the use of quotation marks. No one is misquoting you and it is clear that your original edit implied a response to Carson. Thanks for correcting it. If you'd like to source the rest of the section, please go right ahead. Its not my article, I'm just one of a dozen editors who have worked on it. - N1h1l (talk) 18:53, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I see that there is already an article that deals with this subject - Miracle of Chile. That seems like an appropriate place for an extended discussion of the matter that is not directly related to Carson. - N1h1l (talk) 19:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Dead Link[edit]

Doubt this will ever be active again (archive dated to the 1990's), but: http://www.eh.net/lists/archives/hes/feb-1999/0047.php HES: DISC - Marx and origin of "classical"

early life/biography/education/picture[edit]

Does anyone have any information on his life (ie, date and place of birth, which universities he attended, which degrees he has received). this article is fairly informative about his philosophical views, but gives no vital information on the man himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.221.210 (talk) 03:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Did Kevin write this page?[edit]

wp:peacock most of the sources are blog posts by Kevin and reads like a resume. are there any secondary sources mentioning Kevin's notability? would anyone mind if i tag this page to improve sources? Darkstar1st (talk) 01:45, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

WP:SELFPUB the article is not based primarily on such sources. 95% of the sources were posts by Kevin, the other two appears to be critique of his writing.
  • familiarity with this list of libertarian authors seems to have been wasted on Carson source 13 Block, Walter. Kevin Carson as Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
  • ...I take issue with Carson’s claim that the principle of self-ownership alone is insufficient to decide among these rival theories of landed property. source 14 Long, Roderick. Land-locked: A Critique of Carson on Property Rights Darkstar1st (talk) 02:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)