Talk:Kevin Hart (poet)

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Removal of List of Interviews[edit]

I just removed the following paragraph:

Several interviews with Hart are available: Earl Livings, “On a Clean Page: An Interview with Kevin Hart,” Bystander, 1: 1 (1992), 43-53, David McCooey, “‘Intersecting Worlds’: An Interview with Kevin Hart,” Meridian, 15: 1 (1996), 23-37. John Kinsella, “An Interview with Kevin Hart,” Salt, 10 (1997), 256-75; Lee Spinks, “‘Sketching the Horizon’: An Interview with Kevin Hart,” Journal of Commonwealth Literature, 35:2 (2000), 5-14; Paul Mitchell, “Interview with Kevin Hart,” Cordite, 8 (2001) (www.cordite.org.au/09/mitchell,hart.asp); Stephen Watson, “Interview,” Verse, 20: 2/3, 49-73. Shorter version reprinted in The Verse Book of Interviews (Amherst, MA: Verse Press, 2005), 302-19; Julian Wolfreys, “Going to School with Socrates: Interview with Kevin Hart,” Thinking Difference: Critics in Conversation, ed. Julian Wolfreys (New York: Fordham University Press, 2004), 111-118; Mark Manopoloulos, "A Thinking Otherwise," With Gifted Thinkers (Peter Lang, 2010), 75-100.

This is unencyclopedic, as it tells the reader nothing about Hart himself. We could consider putting these into a "Further Reading" section; alternatively, if any of them are available online, they could go into an External Links section (without having read any of them, by titles and descriptions it seems like they would qualify). Do others view these as important enough to include in a tertiary section? I'm willing to set up the formatting as best as I can. I just know it shouldn't be in a prose paragraph in the middle of his Poetry section. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you're right to cut this paragraph. I don't think it is important enough to keep as a "further reading section," but it may be good to put the Paul Mitchell interview (and any others that are online -- I'd be happy to help track them down) in an external links section.Phainein (talk) 00:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)


God, this article is a pile of dreck. Hart's cronies have been trying to control it for over a year now. It was acceptable until about September 2009. Sterry had done a terrific job keeping it neutral. The problem is all these Charlottesville graduate students whom Hart has manipulated into interfering with the article. Hart is an insignificant nobody in the world of contemporary poetry, but you'd think he was a nobel laureate the way the lines in this war have been drawn.24.155.13.36 (talk) 04:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion. Any chance you want to help us fix it? You'll note that several of us are still working on improving the article, although not in any great haste. Further, you might also note that some have claimed that Hart is much less a poet than he is a religious scholar, and perhaps that might be a relevant change in what makes him famous. Mind you, I'm not certain of that, but it is a claim being made. Furthermore, as much as I personally think Bloom is not worth listening to, his opinions on who is or isn't important are often considered an indication that the person is more than an "insignificant nobody." In any event, you actually editing the article will be more helpful than just telling us that it's "dreck". Qwyrxian (talk) 09:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
There used to be some really good insights about his poetry here but now they've have been deleted. I'd like to see those go back in, but I feel any effort I made to reinsert these would just be reverted. I know it would violate Wikipedia polocy to ban any editors with AP addresses in Charlottesville, but you won't get real objectivity on this until you can find a way to keep Hart himself, and all his graduate students, off this page. At this point, Hart has found a way to hijack the article, apparently because he's so insecure he can't tolerate people reading negative quotations about his work. Let's not forget that his first move was to try to have this article about him removed, stating that readers interested in his work could go to Amazon.com--where he can of course more easily control things. (This is all on this very talk page.) I apologize for the "dreck" comment; your edits have helped considerably to resist the intrusions of Hart into his own article, but the tidal influence of vapid praise and puffery is still there. 24.155.13.36 (talk) 14:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
And I continue to do my best. We were in a better situation before because we had an admin watching over and enforcing 1RR, but that admin has given up the bit. In some ways though, the article before wasn't quite right--it was more a collection of reviews than it was an article about Hart and his work. This is not the standard way articles about artists are written; some criticism is okay, but not entirely. At some point I'll get back to working on this; I've been a bit distracted by other tasks recently. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

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Some "encyclopedizing"[edit]

I'm digging back into this article again, after a long time away. One thing I notice immediately is that this article is too much quotation, too little summary. While Wikipedia should rely heavily on our sources, we shouldn't just abrogate the writing to those sources. I'm going to attempt to turn more of this into our prose rather than just quotations. Note that this is where Wikipedia differs quite a bit from a scholarly article--there, quotation is often preferred, while here, quotation should only be used to capture a limited number of key phrases. Furthermore, much of the quoted material is incomprehensible to a non-philosopher or literary critic; for instance, the reference to Heidegger's theories confuse me, rather than illuminate me. I'll see what I can do with this now, and welcome feedback after my work. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

One line that I had difficulty converting to prose is the O'Reilly quote in "Poetry", the second paragraph on eroticism. The prior text quoted O'Reilly as saying "Hart is often labeled a religious poet, and the bulk of the criticism of his poetry focuses on the religious, spiritual and philosophical aspects of his work, and the relationship between his poetry and his philosophical and theological writings. However, Hart is also an intensely physical and sensual poet, one whose work examines the effects of the physical environment on humans, explicitly addresses physical aspects of romantic relationships, and uses physical actions and sensations as metaphors for spiritual communion." I kept a fragment of that and summarized the end part, but I'm unhappy with my phrasing there. Any suggestions?
(finished)I think I've gotten most of it into a more encyclopedic style. The only information I completely removed was the commentary about Bloom's translation work mentioned in Bloom, as it definitely doesn't go in the poetry section, but doesn't really have anywhere else to go, and doesn't so closely connected to the main themes of Hart's biography anyway. One thing I noted is that the awards are still uncited. I'm tempted to remove them until they're cited, but I'll make one more request here for one of the other major editors to try to get cites for some or all of those. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:42, 31 March 2011 (UTC)