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I am wondering if the characterisation of Khanbaliq as the ancient Mongol name for Beijing is totally correct. I am not a historian, but I have been told that the Ming did not only 'rebuild' the city, they virtually 'buried' the capital of the hated Mongols under their new city. (This was in contrast to the Manchus, who simply took over the Ming city without much change.)
I personally feel that a description along the lines of 'Khanbaliq was the capital of the ancient Mongol Empire and stood on the site of the modern city of Beijing. ...... ...... The city was completely rebuilt by the Ming and moved several kilometres south in the process.'
I suggest that there may be POV problems involved. To say that Khanbaliq is Beijing emphasises the continuity of the city's existence, which is a view that modern Beijing would like to promote (the 悠久的历史 line) and is also slightly Sinocentric, in that it follows the Chinese historiographical tradition of forcing history into an orderly succession of dynasties.
Are there any historians who could comment on this?
Bathrobe 23:23, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
There has always been a city there throughout recorded history. It may have been destroyed several times, but it was always rebuilt immediately, or failing that, part of the city survived the attack and lived on. In that sense, yes, Khanbaliq is Beijing. Tenochtitlan is Mexico City (and the city actually says it was founded in 1325). Rome was destroyed and depopulated in the 560s, but it's still Rome. Conversely, the city the Romans built at Carthage and was later the capital of King Gaiseric isn't the same as the Carthage of Hannibal, because the site sat unoccupied for about 100 years after the Third Punic War.
Just my opinion...take it for what it's worth. Jsc1973 23:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- Jsc1973 is correct. It had happened frequently throughout the history of China (and of the world). Actually, saying Ming burned Khanbaliq (Dadu) is also incorrect, because Ming in fact burned only the imperial palaces in Khanbaliq, not the whole city. The city was actually never destroyed since Mongol-founded Yuan Dynasty up to now.--184.108.40.206 (talk) 00:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)