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Miscellaneous[edit]

Is this also a language?

Yes and no, Kikuyu/Gikuyu is the name of both the people and the language, but the article is about the people. I killed the redirect and set up a substub on the Gikuyu language page. Carter 20:07, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I was interested in the comment about Dedan Kimathi being widely credited for leading the resistance that led to the defeat of the colonial government. It is instructive to read the page [Mau Mau Uprising]. Here, it makes it clear that by the time Kimathi was arrested in October 1956, the Mau Mau were a defeated army. As this page makes clear, the British made an economic decision over the independance of Kenya, just as it did with its other African colonial possessions, who did not have to resort to armed insurrections. While the memory of Kimathi is held in high regard in Kenya, his contribution to Kenyan independance may not be as significant as the writer of this page believes.

(You must be in denial. The British were having problems controlling Kenya because te Mau Mau gave them hell. Were it not for Mau Mau, the British would still be in Kenya and Jomo Kenyatta would still be in jail. South Africa and Mandela style.)

I must say that whoever you are,you dont respect Dedan Kimathi as a Kenya Land and Freedom Army(Mau Mau) leader.All I know is that the British left Kenya because it become too costly to run the colony as a result of the rebellion led by Kimathi.You also seem to downplay the resistance.I would like to remind you that Dedan Kimathi and the people he represented in the struggle NEVER welcomed British rule even for a day.Kimathi once said "I better die standing on my two legs rather than live on my knees".Of course British solders shot him and later hanged him and I dont know where they took his body.Dont insult Kenyans and I even wonder whether a Mau Mau Hero contributed in the sources[Mau Mau Uprising] you have cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwenemucii (talkcontribs) 20:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Kikuyu town[edit]

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Watch closely for the highlighted name

Image[edit]

Where is the image from? Is it from a festival or tourist site? It seems hardly representative of the way people of the kikuyu ethnic group dress. Is there a way to edit the photo caption? I'm new to wikipedia. Thanks Kimathi 08:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kimathi, welcome to Wikipedia! I don't know anything about the image, but you can edit its caption by hitting 'edit this page' when looking at the article; the image code is right at the top of the article and looks like this:
[[Image:KikuyuWoman.jpg|thumb|Kikuyu woman in traditional dress]]
The part after "thumb|" and before the closing brackets "]]" is the caption of the image. — mark 08:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the help...and the welcome! Kimathi 11:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Titling[edit]

The article has among the weirdest names ever seen, especially considering it is neither correct Kikuyu nor correct English. For this I'm going to move the article to Kikuyu or (Gikuyu), unless sensible objections are made; what is certain is that it can't stay where it is.--Aldux 22:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Change it to Kikuyu because that is how it is spelt in English. On the Kikuyu wikipedia, then the article should be titled Gîkûyû. 219.77.98.166 12:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Social Structure[edit]

Where did this section come from? It needs some serious editing done to it. The content is good, but the grammar is practically unreadable. --Raulpascal 21:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Religion[edit]

Kirinyaga does not mean 'one with the ostrich! According to my very knowledgeable uncle, 'nyaga' is snow. Kirinyaga means "The one with snow." Interesting no?

Thanks, lets us find this word systematically. It appears that the word 'Nyaga' has several meanings in Kikuyu. There are people by this name: However, the origin of their name is Embu which means spot. In this therefore, Kĩrĩ-nyaga means spotted. consider:

Nyamu ĩrĩ manyaganyaga = A spotted creature. In this perspective the word was used for a leopard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony Karani (talkcontribs) 09:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I would like to make it clear that "Nyaga" meant "rays of light" and so when Kikuyu said 'Mwene Nyaga" meant The Owner or Giver of Light" and belived he dwelt at the top or reigned from the to of Mt. Kenya overseeing His land and people that's why the Mountain was know as 'Kirinyaga'. by John Thuku

Notable Kikuyus?[edit]

How about instead of the current image, we have "notable Kikuyus" instead? There's at least 2: Jomo Kenyatta and Tom Morello. 124.186.96.193 (talk) 23:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I just added "notable Kikuyu" (124.186.96.193 was me btw). Saimdusan Talk|Contribs 00:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Who is that white guy on the main page? He is NOT kikuyu...please remove that photo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.164.32 (talk) 01:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Tom Morello is half Kikuyu and half white. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.202.155 (talk) 12:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Tom Morello is as much kikuyu as he is italian. Please put back his photo. It is racist to discriminate him because he´s half kikuyu amd half white.

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Jobs[edit]

The jobs of the kikuyu are mainly picking tea leaves or carrying wood back to there village. The children usely help the adults —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.199.185 (talk) 11:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

For many generations past, accident, geographic and political, had, until the coming of the European, preserved the Agikuyu from the access of almost any external influence or rule, and hence had never been subdued.[5] The Agikuyu used from time to time to imprint a lesson on raiders that was not forgotten.[6] Just before the arrival of the English people, Arabs were involved in slave trade and their caravans passed at the southern edges of the Agikuyu nation. Slavery as an institution did not exist amongst the Agikuyu, nor did they make raids for the capture of slaves.[7] The Arab and slave raiders who tried to venture into Agikuyu country met instant death.[8] Relying on a combination of land purchases, blood-brotherhood (partnerships), intermarriage with other people, and their adoption and absorption,the Agikuyu had been and were in a constant state of territorial expansion.[9] Economically,the Agikuyu were great farmers-because there is a strong evidence that everybody knew that the Agikuyu country was full of food[10]- and shrewd business men.[11] Besides farming and business, the Agikuyu were involved in small scale industries with professions such as bridge building,[12] string making,[13] Wire drawing,[14] Iron Chain making[15] and medicine. In disposition the Agikuyu were naturally cheerful: merry, loquacious and laughter-loving. Soon forgetting their troubles and lacking the spirit of vindictiveness. They also had a great sense of justice(kihooto).[12] [edit] Noursheadspea (talk)

we should edit above, it does sounds very academic at all. Noursheadspea (talk)

Kikuyu People[edit]

I would like to call upon Kikuyu people who are experts in our people history,achievements and respected way of life to come and contribute to this article.It does not make sense for non Kikuyus to contribute a large chunk here,yet we have our own experts in this field who can give a credible and accurate account of Kikuyu people,citing respectable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwenemucii (talkcontribs) 20:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

References[edit]

This article is a bit lacking in references and some parts seem to be wholesale copying of other pages. As an example, the rika system paragraph seems to be base on this site. We need experts to contribute or at the very least, document and record oral history from elderly kikuyu. I fear that with the passage of time and lack of oral history, we may be left with bits and pieces. Lmwangi (talk) 12:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree that there is a lack of referencing on this page. And one should always bear in mind that Wikipedia articles must not contain original researchGrahamSmith (talk) 15:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

This far what I have read from the wikipedia seems to be a well informed updating. Thumbs up!!! By John Thuku