Talk:Kilogram/GA1

GA Review[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:
The note in parentheses about relativistic mass (in "The nature of mass" is probably not necessary, as it's not really relevant to the topic, and it may give the reader an incorrect understanding of relativistic mass.
Hmm, the statement seems correct to me, and the increase in observed (and not "invariant") inertial mass at high relative speeds is fairly well known: so well known that it isn't even mentioned in articles such as Special relativity (GA) or Consequences of special relativity. There is an article, Mass in special relativity, which could be linked to and which describes the pedagogic problems of variant mass. However, I think it's necessary to have a short section on the nature of mass in the article, simply because sometimes it is counterintuitive. Physchim62 (talk) 17:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. The issue of relativistic effect on mass is quite germane to the issue of mass constancy. Without this text, there had been ediit warring over the issue because the notion of mass constancy was incomplete. The article has been stable and correct with it. Greg L (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When I first read it, I had assumed it was referring to (invariant) rest mass, so I think linking to the Mass in special relativity article, and maybe rewording it to make it more clear what is intended, will help. - Algorerhythms (talk) 20:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks. That is a much more suitable article; I didn’t know it existed. Greg L (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
B. MoS compliance:
In "Early definitions", the Notable Events of 1795 link is not necessary, and should probably be removed. In addition, there are a couple "See also"s in the text that can be turned into links (specifically, there's a "See watt balance below" link, when watt balance is linked in the previous sentence.) In addition, you may want to change the references template to Template:reflist rather than <references/>, since there are a large number of references for the article.
The notes section is more than a list of citations that aren’t intended to be read (such as the References section of the United States of America article). Here on Kilogram, instead of just citations, there are notes that provide supplemental reading. Small text, particularly the italicized portions, is extremely hard to read on certain browser/OS combinations and this is aggravated by the fact that this article uses quite a few superscripted numbers—an issue that doesn’t affect normal citations. Yes, the section is expansive, but it is at the bottom—where it stays out of the way—and the text and those numbers are much easier to read in normal-size text.
As for the link date to 1795, that was a demonstrated technique to use as a paradigm in making a point in an ongoing MOSNUM debate. Agreed. Best leave Kilogram out of it. Greg L (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Greg about the "Notes and references": after checking a couple of browsers at different text sizes, the final product looks better (to me) with that section in a normal font. I've removed the text reference to Notable events of 1795; I've no opinion as to whether it should be linked more discretely or not. As for the internal references, it's quite a delicate task: some can probably go, but I don't think we can reasonably get down to zero. The article tells a story which is more complicated than it appears at first sight, and the "see alsos" are a consequence of this, guiding the reader to section which s/he would never have thought of looking at before arriving at the article. IMHO at least! Physchim62 (talk) 23:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, on second thought, the larger font is better for this case. What I had in mind for the See Also links such as the one for the watt balance section is that the links in the prose could link to that section, and there could be a main article template at the top of the Watt balance section pointing to the article. It's not a big deal, though. - Algorerhythms (talk) 23:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Nice article, a few small changes, and it can easily pass.
Passing after changes made. - Algorerhythms (talk) 22:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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