Talk:Kim Jong-un

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CC licensed image[edit]

This can be uploaded to Commons and used here. Go for it Nope...don't. It is not CC as indicated as another person has pointed out it was an image lifted from a newspaper.--Maleko Mela (talk) 21:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Yea, that appears to be a release of the Xinhua News Agency, so it wouldn't work. Tarc (talk) 21:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
According the annotations on the page, the file comes from China’s Xinhua News Agency and has uncertain licensing. I'm as eager as any editor to have an image up on this page; I've participated several times in the voluminous discussions on the matter and I strongly believe it qualifies under non-free image use exceptions if any case of BLP does, and ultimately I think consensus will catch up with the reasoning that has been applied to that end, but, all of that said, if North Korean news agency photos haven't been accepted by the editors opposing that perspective, this one certainly won't. Snow (talk) 22:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

What's the copyright status on these photos from the barbershop that put up a poster of KJU? Since the UK is a country with freedom of panorama, wouldn't this technically fall under the same rationale for using a cropped photo of a public portrait on Kim Il Sung's page? Do we know about the copyright of whoever made the Kim Il Sung portrait? No, but it's apparently irrelevant under freedom of panorama. Schvass (talk) 14:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

  • The difference here is the Kim Il-sung picture is derivative of a work that was posted by the government of North Korea in North Korea, where there is freedom of panorama. It was a choice of the copyright holder to do so. In the case here, of Kim Jong-un, the copyright holder did not make such a choice. Simply taking someone's copyrighted work, making a poster of it, and placing it in public view in a freedom of panorama country does not strip the copyright holder of their rights. So no, the barbershop image is not usable. Sorry. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

What about this image on Commons? thumb Ocaasi t | c 23:36, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Found the image used [1] with cited to AFP/Getty. So I've already nominated that for speedy deletion on Commons as no way that's the user's own work. --MASEM (t) 23:47, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2014[edit]

if you could put Kim Jong Un picture on his politician page, i would appreciate it. thanks so much for your consideration! Josh Brannon (talk) 14:51, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done - As explained above we can find no copyright free picture to use. - Arjayay (talk) 15:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2014[edit]

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Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 20:14, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Why Does This Article Have No Picture Of Kim Jong Un?[edit]

It shouldn't be hard to find one that isn't copyrighted. However, the page's "locked down" condition makes it impossible for most Wikipedeans to simply add a pic ourselves. RobertLovesPi (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Every image of Kim Jong Un that has been found is copyrighted, and would be non-free under WP's policy. As the Foundation requires us to not use non-free where free content can be made (as is the case of the living leader of a major country of the world), we can't use copyrighted images and thus have no image until a free one comes about. --MASEM (t) 21:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
There's one on Commons right now: I think it should be put into this article. --Krawunsel (talk) 15:32, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Done - finally!!!! :-))))) --Krawunsel (talk) 15:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Nope. The same image was placed on this article last year right about this time [2], and rapidly removed [3]. It was subsequently deleted from Commons. See Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kim Jong Un graffiti.jpg. The graffiti is a derivative work of this image, and as such is encumbered with rights from the original photograph, making it incompatible with Commons licensing requirements, and not free as we define it. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
That's typical - we've finally got a solution but you've got to destroy everything. You proved once and for all that you are unwilling to have ANY image in the article. I could personally travel to North Korea and take a picture of him and you'd still find some flimsy pretext to remove it from the article. This picture was obviously taken from an outdoors wall, therefore we are talking about the freedom of panorama!!! Something which you chose to ignore since it doesn't fit into your plans to keep ANY image from this article. Well, Kim Jong-un is not exactly what I'd call an amiable or sympathetic fella but I can only imagine how you must be hating Kim Jong-Un that you're constantly at keeping ANY image out of the article. --Krawunsel (talk) 07:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Your comments above are completely wrong, Krawunsel. If you go to North Korea and take a photo of Kim Jong-un, and freely license it, then the photo will stay in this article, and you will be showered with barnstars. Just do it, or stop complaining. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Krawunsel, your latest rejoinder here is nothing short of a personal attack. The only sentence that is not so is the 4th sentence. If you persist in personally attacking me or anyone else, you may be blocked from editing. You may consider this a warning.
  • To continue, I'll respond to the 4th sentence: First, Freedom of Panorama does not exist for this artwork, as it is installed in France. Please see Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#France. Therefore, the artist's rights to the artwork are protected by law. The artist can release such rights, and in fact did, as we know from his flickr posting. However, the image is not free because it is a derivative image of the one shown here. Please read Derivative work to gain an understanding of this subject of law. We have a three prong test in this case; the rights of the original photographer on which the artwork is based (owned by Associated Press), the rights of the artist that created the graffiti (Thierry Ehrmann), and the rights of the photographer (Thierry Ehrmann). We must have release of rights under a free license for all three prongs. We do for the second and third, but not the first. Therefore, the image is not free and we can not use it here. I'm sorry. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:42, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Then what if someone just drew a sketch of KJU? Would that be un-professional? Or still non-free because all known photos of KJU are non-free, and it would have to be based on a non-free photo? Schvass (talk) 13:47, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

  • A drawing, if not a derivative work of an existing non-free image, could be made available under a free license. Thierry Ehrmann's graffiti is effectively a drawing, but it is a derivative work. If he had chosen instead to use imagery of Kim Jong-un as influences in creating an original art piece (but not derivative), then his licensing of his art work would make it available under a license compatible with this project. As to the question of whether a drawing would be permitted to depict him, I don't know. I've seen arguments on other articles where such images were not allowed, but it's not an absolute and such discussions have less grounding in policy than the issue of non-free vs. free. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:46, 15 July 2014 (UTC)