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Nepal Tibet[edit]

Kirat are not Tibetan or their descendants.Tibetans are highly civilised people with rich culture and great history but Kirat are kirat, not Tibetans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khasnepali (talkcontribs) 10:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Incorporation of Lepchas in the Kirat section is wrong[edit]

Lepchas are distinct ethnic community and are not Kiratis. Regs Barun Roy RE: They are related to kirantis just like goorung and newars. -Bigen182 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigen182 (talkcontribs) 13:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposed move[edit]

(discussion copied from WP:RM)

    • I have my petition for this.Kirat is the real spelling,so Kirant must be replaced by Kirat.---Kirat Hang--- 16:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirat hang (talkcontribs)
    • I support this move as it is correct.--Dilipbantawa (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I support to the objective of this petition.--Rabi Khambu-- (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The article "Kirat" is the umbrella article that includes subtopics such as Kirat people, Kirat culture, Kirat history, and other similar topics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhilung (talkcontribs) 19:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Unacceptable Hypotheses for me[edit]

In the article please note the following lines with their respective references:

In their tradition, they claim migrating from China(Yunnan) (via North Burma and Assam) and settling in Nepal.[1]P. 33 Nepalese Culture: Annual Journal of NeHCA By Tribhuvana Viśvavidyālaya Nepālī Itihāsa, Saṃskr̥ti, ra Purātatva Śikshaṇa Samiti, Tribhuvana Viśvavidyālaya

The Kirat Veda describes them as coming from Mongolia via China.[2]The Administrative System of Nepal: From Tradition to Modernity By Hem Narayan Agrawal

Are the above sources (research works?) from which the references are derived based on any genetic or any extensive studies? It is not clear that 1.which clan/tribe/faction/confederation of the Kirats in their tradition claim that they migrated from China 2.Kirat Veda (written? or as dictated by the priests) belonging to which clan/tribe/faction/confederation of the Kirats mentions that they came from Mongolia.

I'd be highly obliged if someone edited the article with more reliable references.

Suman Rai Ugrabadi (talk) 11:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure about kirat veda etc. and can not give references apart from Prof. Dor Bahadur Bista's famous book Fatalism and development and Prof Suniti kumar Chatterjee's famous book Kirata-Jana-Krti.Both say Kirats came from east along mid-hills(not high mountains)via Assam along with their pigs in ancient times. We do not have to be rocket scientists to understand the fact that there are dozens of ethnic groups in Yunnan,North Burma and north- east India who look like kirats,live like kirats,dance like kirats,speak tibeto-burmese languages and love pork and raksi. I think Mongolia is too far away.


Kirawa Rai —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Kirat are not Tibetan or Tibetan descendants. Tibetans are highly civilised people with rich culture and great history but Kirat are kirat, not Tibetan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khasnepali (talkcontribs) 10:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Ashoka was not a kirat[edit]

Since when did Ashoka become a Kirat? The whole section is malicious and subject to removal. The nepalis are going far in their new found nationalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akuap2001 (talkcontribs) 13:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Fantasy over Fact[edit]

Who on earth has been writing such fiction on this page? Nepal is not some sharp divide from India so utterly distinct from India and its Hindus. The Nationalist undertones are so very blatantly obvious. The Kiratas are not factually the first earliest inhabitants of Nepal. In fact there are references to Gopalas and Abhiras inhabiting the Kathmandu valley who were subsequently supplanted by Kirata tribes.

Balinese Hinduism has little if any connection with the Kiratas. There is no direct comparison. Balinese Hinduism was propopgated by the Javanese who earlier adopted the faith from South India. Also Manjusri is a known Bodhisattva in India. The fact that a few Balinese may worhip the diety has everything to do with Hindu-Buddhist synctretism in Sumatra-Java-Bali and nothing to do with Nepal and north India which had no direct contact with those people.-- (talk) 19:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Article is a bluff[edit]

This whole article is written by a single person within one day. Does not have total truth whatsoever. No references nothing. Too many claims that are false. WP: Puffery. I propose deletion or major rewording and reorganization.HasperHunter (talk) 01:08, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move to Kirat[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Although there appear to be a greater number of support !votes, I have concerns about *puppetry, especially regarding the last two comments. Also, In ictu oculi (t c)'s comment that we do not typically use a solitary adjective as an article title carries more weight with existing community consensus. —Darkwind (talk) 14:50, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Kirati peopleKirat – This move was requested by User:Dhilung at WP:RM as a technical move. However the page is now at its third title in six months. It *was* at Kirat, then was moved to Kiranti people and is now at Kirati people. Consensus ought be sought for the best title. I have no opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 01:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

For background, see #Proposed move for an old move discussion from 2008. EdJohnston (talk) 01:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Kirat *was* the umbrella article for a long time that included subtopics about Kirat people, Kirat religion, Kirat culture, Kirat history, and other similar topics. However, recently, without any discussion/consensus in the talk page, it was moved to "Kiranti people" and later to "Kirati people". "Kirat" is an identity that collectively represents its people, religion, culture, language, etc. Please refer #Proposed move for the discussion regarding the proper spelling ( 'Kirat' vs. 'Kirant' ). Dhilung (talk) 11:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Oppose Kirat - Your comment is evidently correct on spelling of Kirat vs Kirant. However we don't normally have umbrella topics that have "Basque" as the umbrella for Basque people, Basque Country etc. Kirat people is more natural than "Kirat X" In ictu oculi (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I repeat my argument again. Kirat does not just represent people, but more than 30 different languages (see ), independent religion (see Religion in Nepal), historic kingdoms (see Kirat Kingdom ), etc. The title 'Kirat people' does not include all the perspectives for the article. Dhilung (talk) 18:41, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
But Dhilung what is "Kirat" if it is not people?
What would the equivalent be for "French"? We have French people French country French language But we don't have "French" except as French (disambiguation)
We already have 3 articles for Kirat people and Kirat language and Kirat Kingdom (plus the Kirata) and Kirat (disambiguation) . talk) 19:12, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I support the move of the page to original Kirat which encompasses the greater of Kirat Culture,Religion,Language than just People.We are not talking about particular people and their trait. Kirat is a whole living culture.---Kirat Hang--- 12:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I too support requested move from Kirati people to Kirat. As the terms like Goths or Huns, Kirat also represents its culture, history, legacy and more or less anything that is related to Kirati people. 'NHkirat (talk) 15:57, 21 December 2012 (UTC)'
  • I support the move of the page to original 'Kirat' in order to justify the proposed term with a much broader meaning and honor which the current one seems to have completely failed to do.---Rabi Rai--- 11:17, 19 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabi rai (talkcontribs)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge discussion at Talk:Kirata[edit]

I added support there since that's how the merge tag was set up, but actually this page is older and more complete, the merge should probably go in this direction, and much of Kirata is duplicated at Kirata Kingdom. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I support the merge of Kirata in to Kirat. Kirat, and Kirata are simply the same entity with different romanized spellings of the word (किरात) /kirɑːt/. The argument that Kirata encompasses beyond Kirat is simply incorrect. Dhilung (talk) 17:39, 19 December 2012 (UTC)