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Move to Arizona
currently states that kirby moved to arizona due to mounting controversy in Minnesota. Seems POV to me, and not really provable
- No, this is probable. He was involved in sesual aligations, in which, although he was cleared of charges, his reputation was somewhat blurred. I dont really think is POV, anyways.--Gephart 07:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Probable is a far cry from certain, and the article stated as fact that controversy in MN is the reason Puckett moved. Maybe its not POV, but none of us can know for certain why He moved unless a qoute or something can be found where he states the reason behind the move. Really not a big deal, but I changed it slightly.
- WIkipedia is not a crystal ball --E tac 22:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
It says under 'Retirement' that he moved from Minnesota to Scottsdale in the winter of 2003, and under 'Controversy' that 'in 2004, Puckett moved from the Twin Cities to Scottsdale, Arizona.' I'm assuming he moved in early 2004, but perhaps it should be worded slightly differently. 220.127.116.11 00:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Kirby Puckett/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
After reading the article through, it is a nice article, but I don't feel comfortable passing it as a GA even with a hold at this time. First, here's some minor issues I found that can be fixed rather quickly:
- The fair use rationale for the image isn't very good. Obviously it's an acceptable use, but it still need beefing up. The size should probably be reduced as well, since it's a fairly high resolution.
- "He briefly attended Bradley University before transferring to Triton College in River Grove, Illinois." How long was he at each? How'd he do in baseball at those colleges?
- His minor league career was certainly short, but it should still have something on it.
- HowStuffWorks is not a reliable source. It can be replaced pretty easily though.
- Make sure there's a hyphen in Baseball-Reference where used.
- "Puckett had been admired throughout his career and for some years after. His unquestionable baseball prowess, outgoing personality, charity work, community involvement, and nice-guy attitude earned him the respect and admiration of fans across the country." That's kinda POV. Cite would be needed definitely.
- "and The 1991 World Series was ranked by ESPN to be the best ever played" Cite needed.
Then some more major issues:
- Several years only have one sentence of info - not enough.
- Virtually nothing on 1992-1995.
- Virtually no cites in the death section.
- Most years are just statistics and not much else.
The more serious issue to me is that there's just not enough substance, especially considering he's a first ballot hall of famer. 10kb of prose would be just fine for an average player who came and went from the league with little impact, not so much for Puckett. Some substance issues I noted above.  There's a lot of sources out there for use as you can see, so even a doubling in the article's prose size is very possible. Hopefully I'll see it at GAN again after it looks better, since the progress so far is good. Wizardman 16:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Loss of Vision
Actually, he seems to have lost his sight from a “central vein occlusion” (blood clot), although he did have glaucoma. Not sure how to find a "definitive" reference however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 10:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
- OK, I've got a definitive reference for this now -- Jim Souhan (March 27, 1998). "Kirby says goodbye". StarTribune. Retrieved 2011-07-17. -- I've updated the text to say "central retinal vein occlusion", giving that as a cite. -- The Anome (talk) 12:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- You either didn't live in MN or didn't follow the Twins because it was VERY controversial when all the "Kirby isn't the super guy we all thought he was" came out and was squeeky clean image was tarnished. Although I'm obviously not married to it, I definitely think that the section should stay in some form. Ckruschke (talk) 16:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke
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Unquestionable Baseball Prowess?
I take umbrage with the statement "unquestionable baseball prowess." Puckett's inclusion in the Hall of Fame is often criticized due to his career statistics. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- Kirby doesn't have the "career" numbers because his career was cut short. This is the crux of the criticsm that his HOF induction has since rightfully garnered - he only has app 200 HR, 1000 RBI and 2300 hits which are all subpar for the Hall. However, no one questions his baseball skills as a player. He was repeatedly in the top 10 in BA, was a 10-time all-star, led the league in hits 4X's and was in the top 10 10X's, had 6 silver sluggers, and 6 gold gloves (as one of the best CF in the game). I'm pretty sure he was the highest payed player in 1990 - or close to it - and MLB isn't like the NBA where you hand out stupid contracts like candy, everyone thought he deserved it. If he'd played another 6 seasons until he was 40, like many other players, he would most likely have hit another 100-120 HR, 500-600 RBI, and would have been a cinch to join the 3000 hit club (see here  for his career averages in these categories). Those are all HOF numbers.
- I'm not defending his HOF status and maybe the statement you bring up is too flowery, but I definitely believe his ability was really "unquestioned". Ckruschke (talk) 14:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke
Eden Prairie Assault Charges
Currently 8.2% of the total words in this article are devoted to the incident in Eden Prairie and 10.9% of the article talks about controversy. 75% of the total controversy revolves around the charges of assault in Eden Prairie. I do agree that it is significant; however, I believe undue weight has been applied to that incident, specifically because he was acquitted. I propose changing the statement
Then on September 5, he was arrested and charged with groping a woman in a restroom at Redstone American Grill in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. A witness testified that he saw Puckett drag a woman into the bathroom at the restaurant, and that she appeared terrified when she came out moments later. The alleged victim claimed Puckett squeezed her hard enough to cause a bruise. Puckett was subsequently charged with false imprisonment, a felony; fifth-degree criminal sexual conduct, a gross misdemeanor; and fifth-degree assault, a misdemeanor. After a nine-day trial, a jury ruled Puckett not guilty of all counts. However, the damage had been done and he felt compelled to relinquish his role as Twins executive vice president.
On September 2002, Puckett was charged with false imprisonment, fifth-degree criminal sexual conduct, and fifth-degree assault. A jury later found him not guilty of all counts; however, he subsequently relinquished his role as Twins executive vice president.
- Wow 8.2% & 10.9%! This must be serious if you actually looked it up! ;-) I'm good with your suggestion, although it might be useful to add something like "stemming from charges that he groped a woman in a restaurant bathroom" so that the reader doesn't have to look up the context. What do you think? Ckruschke (talk) 21:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke
- Yeah, if you have no objections I'll implement the statement as
In September 2002, Puckett was charged with false imprisonment, fifth-degree criminal sexual conduct, and fifth-degree assault after being accused of groping a woman in a restaurant bathroom. A jury later found him not guilty of all counts; however, he subsequently relinquished his role as Twins executive vice president.
- Yeah, if you have no objections I'll implement the statement as
I will also add in the references where they are needed and I modified your statement slightly just because I think this sounds better. Is writing "in September 2002" correct or should it be "on September 2002"? Thanks for the references on the information that was presented directly before this. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Whatever you thinks sounds better is fine with me. I think "in September" is correct - "on" denotes a specific date (such as "on September 22") - but then again I'm an engineer so grammar isn't my forte. Keep up the good work! Ckruschke (talk) 13:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke