Talk:Kit Carson

Ed Quillen

This edit which restores an individual's opinion of Kit Carson is inappropriate. Ed Quillen is not a historian or a scholar of any sort. He simply expresses cracker barrel "progressive" commentary. His opinions are not the opinion of The Denver Post, nor are they based on reliable sources. Fred Talk 21:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I see no violation of WP:RS or WP:V in this bit by Quillen. He was not writing for his own Colorado Central magazine, but he was writing in the Denver Post, so that newspaper must accept that they are the platform for his statement. Other authors have taken apart his assertion that the Navajos were put in a concentration camp, as it had a hospital and a school. I guess it is easier to take Quillen out than to add the requisite rebuttals. Binksternet (talk) 22:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Quillen does not belong because his opinion, whatever it is, is not notable. His opinion is being used for unsupported assertions which are not relevant to Kit Carson in any event. Carson was not in a decision making role with respect to transportation to the proposed reservation nor in the selection or maintenance of it. I will do quite a bit of editing soon on this article, but my reference books have not arrived. I am working on a research project related to Carson's reputation. Ed Quillen's calumnies belong in article on him should he be considered notable enough. They are not related in a rational way to Kit Carson. Fred Talk 02:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia

The 14:05, 3 December 2010 Fred Bauder version is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Violates WP:NPOV

I believe the introduction and 5. Civil War and Indian activity sections to include biased content. Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee has a very different take on Carson's relationship with the Navajo and other Southwest tribes, and suggests that the indigenous groups had serious provocation for their raids on Fort Defiance and Fort Wingate. Brown, Dee Alexander. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West (New York: Henry Holt and Co., 1970), 14ff. Bdk1521 (talk) 21:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. The introduction - the first thing people read - paints Carson a cruel individual. 71.199.179.157 (talk) 05:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I am going to remove the second paragraph from the introduction of this article. Besides violating POV guidelines, the information in that paragraph is specific to a single event and does not belong in that section of the article. The first paragraph alone will suffice as an introduction. FaclonsFan (talk) 05:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

No notable source available

I propose we remove the entire sentence below:

Carleton ordered Carson to kill all the men of that tribe, and say that he (Carson) had been sent to "punish them for their treachery and crimes."

First, this sentence is repeated verbatim across several web pages, and thus the Wiki article either plagiarized it from elsewhere or is itself being plagiarized by other sites. Second, since no notable source seems available, citing these other non-notable sites creates a circular reference from this article and back again. Vdavisson (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Famous Last Words

"Adios Compadres"!? What happened to his famous quote I'd always heard, "I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili." I've always loved that quote. What's going on here!?64.203.10.167 (talk) 09:12, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

From what I can tell, that's an urban myth. There are a bunch of unreliable sites on the Internet that claim those were Carson's last words. I find no reliable sources that make the same claim. Yworo (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)