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"Possibly, Kuchis are descendants of the ancient Kushans - the Tocharian Yuezhi,[4][5] who were recorded by the Chinese source to be living in the grasslands of Western Central Asia, in modern-day Kunduz, Kucha and Pamir regions."


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This cannot be the case, since the Kuchis are Pashtun, and the Kushans probably were Indo-Europeans from the present autonome Xinjiang region in West China. However, the Kushans Empire lasted longer than the buddhist Kushan rulers, since the indo-sassanids that conqered the Kushan Emire, just took the name, and decleared themselves as Kushan emperors, "Kushansha".

The Pastuns are an Eastern Iranian ethno-linguistic group with somehow unknown origin, and share no traits with the Kushan appearance. The Kushans are believed to be the ancesters of the hazaras.

Is it poosible to edit the text above to better fit this context? Daimonion (talk) 10:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Hazaras are not Kushan, they are Mongols as proven by genetics. The Kushans were an Iranian peoples who inhabited and ruled much of Afghanistan and are responsible for establishing Buddhism as the prime religion of the region at the time. The Pashtuns are more then likely descendants of the ancient Kushans. Akmal94 (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

innaccurate, thin article[edit]

Not only is the article thin but it makes unsubstantiated, unfair allegations against an entire ethnic group in stating that the Kuchi nomads are all strong supporters of the Taliban. Please consider this information before making such a judgment against this entire ethnic group: http://www.cursor.org/stories/kuchi.html http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/3017/ http://www.rawa.org/nomad.htm Whirleegig (talk) 05:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I am concerned over this article's accuracy[edit]

I was going to add some information to this article, but I am so concerned over its accuracy I chose not to.

The article says that Pashtuns compromise 6 million of Afghanistan's 25 million. And it says 80 percent of the Afghanistan's Pashtuns are Kuchi.

These assertions are at odds with my reading, which is that Pashtuns are more like 35 to 45 percent of Afghanistan's population. Geo Swan (talk) 01:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The article says only that 80%? of the Pashtun population are Kuchis (nomads). It does not give information about the number of the Pashtuns as folk --Šāhzādé (talk) 18:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me. Is your comment in reply to mine? If so, I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Other sources state that the Pashtun are close to half of Afghanistan's population. Geo Swan (talk) 00:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

There was never a cencius in Afghanistan. The first time that such a thing was propagated was by the royal house of Nader Shah Ghader, who was a Pashtun nationalist. He claimed that Afghanistan was made up to 80-90% of Pashtuns. The number decreased with the time to 75%, than 60%, for some years it was at 42% and the current number of Pashtuns is at 37% down to 32% [1], [2]. N.R. Frye for example states that the number of Tajiks are much higher than that of Pashtuns and make at least 42% and maximal 54%. Tajikistan claim also that the number of Tajiks outside Tajikistan are 10 times higher (most of them live in Afghanistan) than inside Tajikistan.

Ambassador Khalilzad played a major role in putting together the government of Kabul after the invasion of Afghanistan by the United States in 2001. As in other post-1920 governments of Afghanistan, Khalilzad invoked and manipulated the so called "Loya Jerga" (Paxtu, grand assembly, council) as the legitimizing mechanism for the Kabul government. Conceived after the Paxtun tribal sodality of Jerga (assembly, council) for the resolution of conflict, the Loya Jerga was invented by the rulers of Afghanistan as a hegemonic device for the domination of Afghan civil society not a democratic framework for popular participation and representation. Passing themselves as Paxtuns these non-Paxtun rulers manipulated the myth of the numerical majority of Paxtuns in Afghanistan and their concept of Jerga to legitimize their rule. (See my article "Editing the Past: Colonial Production of Hegemony Through the ?Loya Jerga' in Afghanistan". Iranian Studies, vol.37, no. 2, 2004). In reality the Paxtun numerical majority in Afghanistan is a mere speculation and the use of the Loya Jerga by Khalizad has denied the people of Afghanistan a genuine framework in which to build the foundation for democratic political institutions. --Šāhzādé (talk) 15:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Disputed and citations needed tags added[edit]

This article is really a mess and needs a lot of work done on it by knowledgable editors to bring it up to Wikipedia standard.

Unfortunately, I don't have the references needed to do a thorough job. Also, as one can see in the above entries on this page there is much that is disputed in the article. I have, therefore, added a disputed tag and a couple of citation needed tags to alert readers that much of the information in the article is questionable. Also, the history section should, I believe, give a history of the people and not just the disputes they have been having with other Afghans.

Finally, I think it should be made clear that there are probably a number of political as well as ethnic factions within Kuchi groups (they are not all one united group - the term Kuchi just means "nomad" - and this article makes it sound as if most Kuchis support or supported the Taliban. Is there any real evidence of this?

I think extreme caution should be exercised in describing their present situation accurately as there is, I believe, a real potential for this article to increase tensions and misunderstandings and it would seem to be open to misuse or promotion of biased views. It would be good, I think, if an experieinced Administrator would keep an eye on this article to make sure this does not happen. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 04:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Choice of pictures[edit]

I am surprised about the choice of pictures to illustrate this ethnographic article. It may be that these were the only ones available to a well meaning author, but I am sorry to say it lookes like taken out of some propaganda leaflet, do you not notice that? -- 147.142.186.54 (talk) 19:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree - so, I have replaced those two photos with three images from Wiki Commons which, I believe, show far more of interest about Kuchi culture and lifestyle. I hope you approve. Cheers, John Hill (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
To help illustrate the present situation of the Kuchis, and to provide balance, I thought I should reinstall one of the US army photos - but I have shrunk it a bit and added it to an appropriate position on the page. I realise all this is rather a touchy subject - comments are really welcome. I would like to see more referenced material on the earlier history of the Kuchis in the article - most of the history section seems to be related to the long period of ongoing conflict. John Hill (talk) 00:59, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Child appears to be being checked with a stethoscope, not vaccinated (at least not in this photograph).