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The Sahyadri Mountain range ("Western Ghats") forms the eastern boundary of the Konkan, and the Arabian Sea the western.

The southern boundary is the Gangavali river.

The "Mayura" river forms the northern boundary.

The Gangavali flows in the district of North Canara ("Uttara Kannada") in present-day "Karnataka State"; the cis-Gangavali portion (seen from Mumbai) of this district is the southern-most part of the Konkan. The towns of Gokarn, Honavar, Karwar and the cities of Hubli & Dharwar fall within the Konkan.

Where the exact boundary of the Konkan in the north is, I am not certain. However, it is certain that the Gramit or Gamit tribals of Maharashtra Konkan (districts of Sindhudurg, Ratnagiri, Raigad or Alibag or Colaba, Mumbai Urban, Mumbai Suburban and Thane in "Maharashtra State") are the originally Konkani prolectariat of Maharashtra Konkan, who have been driven into forest lands and reduced to tribal and "low caste" status by Marathi and Gujarati colonists in the Konkan.

Gamit is the Prakritic form of the Sanskrit Gramit, which means a legal constitutent of a Grama or Village-Commune. By definition, a forest-dweller, Adivasi or "low-caste" person cannot be a Gramit. That the Gamits are today of a low status is proof that they have suffered social, political and economic degradation, as a result of dispossession or displacement.

It is also certain that the "Konknni", "Konkna", "Konknni", "Koknni" and "Kunkna" tribals native to the territories of Maharashtra Konkan, Dadra & Nagar-Haveli, Daman and Cis-Narmada Gujarat, are also descended from displaced Konkani prolectariat driven into forest lands and reduced in status by Marathi and Gujarati colonists.

The "Greater Konkan" of ancient Hindu records is the Konkan plus the further ethnic homelands of Haiva (trans-Gangavali part of "Uttara Kannada"), Tuluva (largely "Dakshina Kannada" or the Districts of Udipi and South Canara, and lastly the "Keralapatti", which is Kerala or Malabar.

I speculate that the northern-most boundary of the Konkan, the "Mayura" river, is probably the Narmada, but I have no definite evidence.

Three communities stand out as anomalies in the Konkan: The Bene Israelis, the Samvedis and the Navaiyats.

The Bene Israelites were originally Teli by caste, Vaishyas or Shudras specializing in the extraction of vegetable oil and its commerce. It is claimed that they are descended from Jewish refugees in the Konkan. However, their mother tongue is Marathi, not Konkani.

The Samvedi are descended from a Brahmin sub-caste that settled around Mumbai, or more exactly around the then entrepots of Thane, Kalyan and Sopara, for Mumbai did not exist then. They adopted Christianity as a result of missionaries sent by the Portuguese who had conquered the area from the Arab controlled Sultanate of Cambay in present-day Gujarat State. They have existed in the Konkan from atleast 500 B.C., so that they predated any Jewish refugees-settlers. Yet they have retained their dialect of Konkani as their mother tongue, unlike the other "Norteiro people" (natives of the former Portuguese "Court of the North", centered around Baçaim) who were forced to adopt Marathi by the Maratha conquerors under Baji Rao Peshwa, and who renamed themselves "East Indian" about the 1870s.

The third community is that of the Navaiyats or "Newcomers", Muslim Arab refugees from a civil war in Arabia, the Karmali rebellion, who also settled in the Konkan about 800-900 A.D., and whose mother-tongue is the Navaiyat dialect of Konkani.

The existence of the Samvedi and the Navaiyats militate against the claim of a Jewish ancestry of the Bene Israelites, for, if they were descended from Jewish refugees settled in the Konkan, their mother tongue would have been Konkani, nor Marathi. That their mother tongue is Marathi proves that they are immigrants from the Maharashtra Desh - the original Marathi homeland, into the Konkan.

WikiSceptic 07:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Can History of Konkan be merged with this article?[edit]

Can History of Konkan be merged with this article? It's a very confusing article to me and requires someone who knows about the subject to evaluate this. The History of Konkan article has been in cleanup since January 20006. Mattisse(talk) 17:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Konkani Wikipedia[edit]

Dear Konknni friends,

Konkani Wikipedia has been started and been in test stage since August 2006.

Kindly contribute towards the Konkani wikipedia. We intend to make it a multiscript

Wikipeida. At least tri-script with Roman ,Devanangiri and Kannada scripts since these are the most popular ones.

We would like to get more articles/templates in place. We also need volunteers to do the thankless and boring job of transliterating it to different scripts .

As of now only two members are making active contributions. The more the merrier. Your contribution is vital to its success.

The url is given below:

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Konkani_Wikipedia

Dev boro dees deum! -Deepak D'Souza 06:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Need redirection[edit]

Since there are at least 2 articles for Konkan on wikipedia, and there is a redirection from one article to another please consider moving this article to more appropriate title. Final redirection of Konkan will be to Konkan (disambiguation). The matter is reported to Wikipedia administrators. Onef9day (talk) 21:17, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Konkan is moved permanently to Konkan Coast. Konkan now redirects to Konkan (disambiguation) as per Wikipedia standards. Onef9day (talk) 21:51, 25 December 2009 (UTC)