Talk:South Korea national football team

2002 World Cup

I think it may be important to add the allegations of cheating in the 2002 World Cup, in order to present a more rounded view of history. Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.41.41 (talk) 12:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Roster

Can someone clean up the roster for 2002 and 2006 World Cups? I really don't think these are that important to show on the 'main' article of Korean national team page. Sure, the team had some great performances in those years but, past is past. I think only the most recent call-ups is important to show off. If someone can make separate articles for those rosters, I would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure the 'main' article will look so much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.200.93 (talk) 05:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Roster2

I noticed that on the other countries football teams' article pages, they made a box links(I don't know what to call it) that can be either show or hide. The links included all the participants of the each tournament. They look so much cleaner and neat. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.200.93 (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

POV Issues

208.120.136.114, I understand the sections you're deleting are POV. However, I think the History section should be put back in the article, but without the POV because ATM without it, the article is just a long series of lists. I'm not asking you specifically to do that, I'm just letting you know why I reverted your edits. L337 kybldmstr 08:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Ahn Jung Hwan - Date of Birth

In Korea Republic national football team#2002_World_Cup_squad table, Ahn Jung Hwan's date of birth is mentioned as 16 February 1976. In Korea Republic national football team#2006_World_Cup_squad table, his date of birth is mentioned as 27 January 1976. In article Ahn_Jung-Hwan, his date of birth is January 27, 1976.
So, his date of birth mentioned in 2002 World Cup Squad table needs to be corrected. Yogesh Sawant 06:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Can somebody tell me, is Ahn Jung-Hwan still called for the national team or did they kick him out? He played one match against Jordan in the third round of the qualification. What happened to him? 87.122.138.136 (talk) 16:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)green

Olympic Team

I think that this page needs to include the performance of both the olympic and national teams.

While strictly the "national football team" should refer to the team that represents Korea in international "A" matches, for the following reasons the consolidation of the olympic and national team is appropriate:

(i) unlike european national teams, in korea, there is a lot of crossover between the national and olympic teams. many players on the korean olympic team also represent the country in "A" matches (Lee Geun-ho, Park Chu-young, Shin Young-rok, Kim Jin-kyu, Kim Dong-jin, Kim Do-heon, Oh Beom seok, Jeong Sung Yong, et al). therefore, it is hard to differentiate between the two.

(ii) likewise, korean fans do not distinguish the two. while certainly they discount performances of the U-17 team et al., fans take equal pride in the olympic and national team. in fact, the fans and media refer to both teams as the "national team"

Of course, strictly speaking there needs to be a separate olympics page. however, i feel for the purposes of edifying the public about korean performance at international football matches we need to include records of both the olympic and national team on this page.

Buryatrider (talk) 13:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Buryatrider

You give good reasons for having an article on the Korean men's Olympic football team, but not for confusing the two teams. Olympic appearances do not add to the generally recognised total of international appearances that a player accrues, results are not considered to be part of the national team's record, games do not affect FIFA rankings, and most tellingly, there is a different coach. It is a different team. That many of the players overlap simply reflects the fact that the national team at the moment includes a number of younger players. This might be due to players who would not otherwise be in the national side joining that side for friendlies that are, in effect, warm-up matches for the Olympics: the analogous situation whereby a national team in a friendly is sometimes essentially a second string does not mean that we integrate the articles for the national team and the B team. Some linking sentences would be understandable, and a temporary disambiguation line at the top of the Full Team's article sending those interested in the Olympic side to the appropriate article for the duration of the games might be wise, but this article should not list the Olympic squad, results, coach or captain as if it were the national team's squad/results/coach/captain, care should be taken not to increase the number of caps on player articles. The situation has been well handled in the cases of China, Australia and New Zealand. A separate article is needed. Kevin McE (talk) 17:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Notable matches section

It would appear that this team has never lost a notable match. This means that either they have won every tournament they have ever played in, or the selection of matches for this section is very biased. On what grounds is a draw against Sweden in an exhibition match notable? This section needs either a clear set of inclusion criteria, justification of the relevance of each match, or deletion. Kevin McE (talk) 11:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Update Roster

The roster should be updated to the players called up for the match versus Korea DPR of 2008-06-22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.97.102.198 (talk) 02:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

2010 WC Quals

This section shouldn't be longer than the other sections about the actual World Cup. "South Korean national team secured a spot in the 2010 World Cup" should be good enough, if necessary at all. --Tk TommyKim (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Article title?

Isn't it missing a letter? Shouldn't it be "Korean Republic national football team" or perhaps "Republic of Korea national football team"? —D. Monack ^talk 23:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

In fact, strictly speaking, South and North Korea do not exist. Both countries claim total sovereignty over the Korean peninsula and both refer to themselves as "Korea". Therefore, to prevent confusion, FIFA had the two countries add "Republic" and "DPR" to their names. Again, these additions serve so as to differentiate rather than abbreviate their respective official names.

121.138.140.21 (talk) 12:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

"strictly speaking, South and North Korea do not exist. Both countries claim total sovereignty over the Korean peninsula and both refer to themselves as "Korea"." Since when did they not exist? The reason why "South Korea" is called "Korea Republic" is because the official name of South Korea is "Republic of Korea", not "South Korea", while "North Korea" is called "People Democratic Republic of Korea", hence "Korea DPR" for short. It's to make things simpler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.40.52 (talk) 06:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

MATCH REPORT RULES

It's important to follow FIFA guidelines for each brief match report included in the "Forthcoming/Previous Matches" section of this article. These are just some things I've come up with; would appreciate additions from the community as required.

RULES
1. SCORE/GOAL REPORTS
i. Goals scored during regular time
When a goal is scored during a certain time x'y", then it is officially recorded as having been scored in minute x+1'
(Example: If Jisung Park scored a goal at 16'12", then this goal should be recorded to have occurred at 17')

ii. Goals scored during injury time
A football match is officially 90' long. The first half begins at 0' and concludes at 45'. The second half begins at 45' and ends at 90'. However, as you are well aware, injury time is added at the end of each half to make up for disruptions that may have occurred during regular time (i.e. yellow cards (30"), red cards (60"), substitutions (30"), injuries (30") etc.). Obviously, the introduction of injury time poses some challenges as the game clock does not stop in football. For instance, one question is how do we differentiate between z' into the first injury time versus z' into the second half as both start counting off from 45'. FIFA distinguishes the two by decomposing injury time as follows: 45'+z', or 90'+z'. The first number refers to the relevant injury time, and the z' refers to the minute in injury time in which the goal was scored. (remember, rule 1.i. is applied to calculate z' such that: z'=x+1' if the goal was scored at x'y")
(Example: If Chuyoung Park scored a goal 5'39" into FT injury time, then this goal is recorded as having occurred at 90'+6')121.138.140.21 (talk) 12:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Korea Republic national kit

The Korea Republic national football team's kit is wrong for this article because the away kit has red shorts instead of blue although blue is the right one. The same goes for the home kit shorts, which are supposed to be white and not blue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.206.40.209 (talk) 02:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. The argument that we should follow the usage in English language sources (eg news coverage) and understanding by English speakers, even if the team is officially known to FIFA by another title, is more consistent with established guidelines (WP:COMMONNAME) and has consensus support here. Mkativerata (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

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Korea Republic national football team → South Korea national football team — Regardless of the teams official name, the article title should say South Korea. Korea Republic is inherently unclear and confusing, being located right next to Korea Democratic Republic. The country is almost universally called South Korea, and not Republic of Korea, which is why the article on the country is at South Korea. Finally, it should be South Korea to match the article on the country. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 01:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Yet the AFC refer to them and Korea Republic, so should stay as it is Druryfire (talk) 12:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

The South Korean government refers to the country as Republic of Korea, but we don't call the article that, because it's really unclear. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 13:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

But FIFA and the AFC do refer to them as Korea Republic, it's only people who don't understand who the Korea Republic and Korea DPR are who change to call them South and North. Saudi Arabia is called the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, eyt we don't refer to that. Australia is the Commonwelth of Australia, yet we call them Australia. All we are refering to is the name that is recognised world wide in football circles. To change it would just be one persons own agenda. Druryfire (talk) 15:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

"Saudi Arabia is called the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, eyt we don't refer to that. Australia is the Commonwelth of Australia, yet we call them Australia." South Korea is called the Republic of Korea, but we don't refer to that. BTW, I checked Google South Korea football team, and it's more common than you probably thought. While Korea Republic does seem more common, South Korea maintains consistency with other South Korea related articles, and the country is way better known than its football team. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 02:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose The team is referred to by most reliable sources as "Korea Republic", just as the team representing North Korea is known as "Korea DPR". There is no reason why the name of a country and the name of a sporting team must match if they are commonly known by different names. Please see Talk:Côte d'Ivoire national rugby union team for the origins of this move request. The Celestial City (talk) 23:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support; WP:TITLE requires that we use a name that is recognizable to a large proportion of readers. Powers ^T 16:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose; The name is recognizable to a large proportion of readers, just not the the guy who has requested this move. There have been many edits on this page and know one has had a problem, not even a problem on other pages that this team name has been included in. Not an issue really. Stay as it is. Druryfire (talk) 16:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

How do you know no one has had a problem? No one uses "Korea Republic" in everyday conversation, because very few people can remember which is North and which is South. Powers ^T 17:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so you have a problem, but why are you trying to change the name that FIFA, the AFC and the Korean football association use? The problem is trying to change the name to something that nobody in football recognisies. Druryfire (talk) 18:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

We are not written exclusively for an audience familiar with soccer. WP:TITLE requires us to take into account all of our readers, and to use titles that immediately reassure the reader that they've come to the right article. The current title does not do that. Powers ^T 18:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, do what you wish, but if you change the name then please change the name in every article that Korea Republic can be found in rather than just do a divert, this will take a long time to do as Korea Republic have been known since the Korea Republic since they started playing in the AFC way back in 1960, so if you wish to rename them then please do so. It's the same for Burma/Myanmar, Khmer Rogue/Cambodia, Malaya/Malaysia so if you wish just start wikipedia from scratch and from now on I'll refer to nations with whatever name I want to, even if it's incorrect. Druryfire (talk) 18:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

The Khmer Rouge, really? I think you need to take a step back and calm down. I'm sorry if my opinion has upset you, but please try to have an adult discussion. Powers ^T 21:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't need to take a step back, the fact is they are known as Korea Republic, if they wish to change there name then they will, and then we can change the name of the article, fact is they are called Korea Republic, they have never used South Korea, it's only us English speaking people that use it. If people want to know more about the Korea Republic then they will do there research, they won't fall across the Korea Republic if they aren't interested. I'm not sure why you want to chaneg the course of history and bring a fabricated name you are familiar with. Your familiar with South Korea, I'm familiar with Korea Republic, so what do we call it? Your choice, or my choice? Or the choice of the actual team? Druryfire (talk) 22:48, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

The English wiki has to use the name used by the English-speaking world. Flamarande (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't always use official names, and almost always excludes the "filler" in official names (such as Republic in country names). If official names are confusing, we don't use them. That's why we have South Korea/North Korea. Common use in reliable sources, clarity, and consistency across articles are more important than official names. While it seems that Korea Republic is a common term, it's only common use for this one football team, and for nothing else. In this case, consistency and clarity are at odds with the official name, while reliable sources don't give a clear answer, so we go with consistency and clarity, which both point to "South Korea". D O N D E groovily Talk to me 22:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment "The problem is trying to change the name to something that nobody in football recognisies." - Are you seriously telling me that if the title said "South Korean National Football Team" that there are people who wouldn't know what this means? Seriously? D O N D E groovily Talk to me 22:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

What I'm telling you is that every official tournament uses the term Korea Republic, it's only the English reading media that uses South Korea because they don't know the difference.

The same English-using media is watched and read by the English-speaking world. The English-using media more or less defines the name used in the English language. Flamarande (talk) 03:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

And not just English. [1] - Not that Süd is the German word meaning south. I'd check other languages if I knew their word for South. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 03:46, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

What other languages (like German) use or don't use is of precious little concern here. This is the English wiki and what matters here is the English language (and almost nothing else). Flamarande (talk) 03:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

• Support per WP:TITLE and WP:COMMONNAME. The English wiki should use names used by the majority of English-speakers and English-speaking media. Flamarande (talk) 03:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Correct, so in that case it should stay as Korea Republic as this is used in the English speaking media on such official sites as FIFA and AFC. Other media outlets are simply using an ignorant tone for the ignorant readers who don't have a clue where Korea is anyway. Druryfire (talk) 10:04, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It is not our place to assume why sources use the words they do; it is insulting and presumptuous to call such usage "ignorant". Powers ^T 14:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The use of South Korea national football team (and of the name South Korea in general) may very well be a indication of ignorance. I must admit that a considerable portion of the English-speaking world probably be hard pressed to locate South Korea in a map (myself not included - I know where it is). To properly identify the Republic of Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea may very well pose a challenge to many (as the "Democratic only in name"-part creates some confusion). However Wikipedia is not written for specialists and the smart but for lay people, the average ignorant person (i.e.: the ignorant readers who don't have a clue where Korea is anyway). Flamarande (talk) 15:43, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, we have had our little debate, I am happy if anyone wishes to change the name, but if it is changed, then we cannot let this be reverted back, we must also change Korea DRP to North Korea. If it is changed, how do we go from here? All other articles show Korea Republic or Korea DPR, do all these need to be changed to suit? Druryfire (talk)

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly: The title of the main article is North Korea (there is no article Korea DRP). You can also check the category Category:North Korea which collects all subcategories and articles about North Korea. AFAIK almost all articles already use 'North Korean whatever' or 'whatever of North Korea'. However if you find any article with the name "Democratic People's Republic whatever" (or something similar) please tell us about it. We can always make a proper move-request for that article. We can also collect them all, look at them carefully and propose a move of all these articles. Flamarande (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm talking about football teams, Korea DPR national football team. Druryfire (talk) 15:41, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment A similar discussion is now underway for North Korea's team. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 17:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support the changes for both North and South - articles should be named in such a way that people know what they're talking about.--Kotniski (talk) 12:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested Move Take 2

South Korea national football team → Korea Republic national football team — Regardless of the teams official name, the article title should say Korea Republic. South Korea is inherently unclear and confusing, being located right next to Korea Democratic Republic. The country is almost universally called Korea Republic, and not South Korea, just ask the AFC and FIFA. Finally, it should be Korea Republic to match all the article's that the name is currently used in, which is hundred,s maybe thousands, far outnumbering the current article name. Druryfire (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused. Above you say "Ok, we have had our little debate, I am happy if anyone wishes to change the name, but if it is changed, then we cannot let this be reverted back, we must also change Korea DRP to North Korea. If it is changed, how do we go from here? All other articles show Korea Republic or Korea DPR, do all these need to be changed to suit?" And you now want to revert back? Yes we should change as many references as possible to reflect the article move. I've been working on that for the last hour or so (although the job is only part way done). --Mkativerata (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats fine then, aslong as you change them all, it could take you years!! By the way, you see the tonugue in cheek in what I wrote? Druryfire (talk) 22:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I doubt everything will be caught - I'm just starting with moves of other articles and templates. I might see if I can use AWB to make more minor changes. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:26, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Speedy close without moving as this was just decided earlier today, and as I understand, the move remains final for three months (correct me if I'm wrong) D O N D E groovily Talk to me 05:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
• Comment without partiality: Many footballing articles use the shorthand 'fb' to incorporate the flag icon. Those have all changed automatically as the shorthand has been changed from Korea Republic to South Korea. Mjefm (talk) 13:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment For main article, I think it's ok to use "South Korea". But in template 'fb', I prefer "Korea Republic" because the template is usually used more "officially", for example in World Cup or Asian Cup's pages about grouping and results.

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For nickname, Red Devils is the name for the supporter not the actual team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.48.82 (talk) 04:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Clean up spacing between Table and Matches for 2002 World Cup

There seems to be a big space between the table and match results for the 2002 World Cup. Does someone know how to fix this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.25.54 (talk) 06:20, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Jung Sung Ryong

If I'm not wrong, Korean keeper Jung Sung Ryong did score a goal against Ivory Coast due to a mistake by the keeper from Ivory Coast. I changed the stat from 0 to 1, but it looks like someone changed it back. Can someone look into it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyeongjae (talk • contribs) 07:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)