Talk:LGBT rights in Africa
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THIS IS NOT A NEUTRAL ARTICLE.
For a start, it is written from the point of view of Americans who think they are entitled to go to a foreign country and impose their own ideology there. It has no respect for the local cultures or traditions. Who says that homosexual marriage or adoption is a right, anyway? Why should it be? Heterosexuals invented marriage, and that gives them in my view a logical right to define it. So the ancient Romans practised sodomy - big deal, they also practiced slavery, ruthless colonization and the oppression of women. Would you like it if a foreigner came to your country and tried to overturn your traditions by campaigning for the legalization of child marriage, or sex with animals? The attitude taken by the writer of the article is patronising towards other cultures and blind to the potential problems that importing homosexual practices will bring i.e. higher rates of child-molestation and venereal disease. Homosexual men are attracted to under-age boys and are typically very promiscuous. Can you deny that there are rich American gays going on sex-holidays to third-world countries? These practices pose severe problems. If the article were really neutral, it would be written by an African and would point out the dangers of a foreign, decadent way of life undermining their own values and traditions. Finally, the article contains spelling mistakes e.g. "Epitamy" for epitome. Saldezza (talk) 15:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC)Saldezza.
- While imperialism is a problem, do you have proof that homosexuality did not exist in Africa prior to the arrival of Westerners? Various sources assert that condemnation of homosexuality in Africa was originally a Western imperialist import which has now been claimed by (some) Africans as their own. For one example that mentions this idea, see Kevin Williams, “AIDS stories covered up,” Media Development 4 (1992): 9-10. Almost all regressive child molesters are men who identify as heterosexual, and fixated child molesters are only attracted to children but apparently will molest whatever children they have access to, regardless of whether they are boys or girls (see the Southern Poverty Law Center's "Ten Anti-Gay Myths Debunked"). American sex tourists are not limited to one gender or sexual orientation. Both women and men, heterosexual as well as homosexual, participate in sex tourism. While both Africans and Westerners can write the article in a minimally biased manner, the way you envision an African writing this article is quite one-sided and far from neutral.
- I had originally started writing on the talk page to apologize for forgetting to uncheck the 'minor edit' box when I added to the sentence about the legality of lesbian relations, so I'm sorry about that! Midwest1.9 (talk) 21:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
The English invented the language your using , what gives you the right to use it to be a bigot? and most of the reasons for most of the harsh penaltys for homosexuality in Africa come from outside religions (Islam and Christianity) so why are you not bitching about those, because they have done FAR more damage to African culture then Americans saying how stoning gay Africans to death is immoral Eboda (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
How can anything be said to be illegal in Somalia. They have no functioning government, so they have no laws. Does "illegal" in this context just mean that the armed bandits that fight for control of Somalia tend to execute homosexuals?126.96.36.199 (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The arguments made by Saldezza (above) are too much to be believed. Heterosexuals "invented" marriage?!? Foreigners campaigning for sex with animals?!? Gay sex-holidays in third-world countries?!? Homosexuality = pedophilia?!? Science, fact and history don't support this writer's ridiculous assertions, whose goal is to dehumanize and vilify LGBT people. But Saldezza has accomplished one thing: By bringing bigotry into the light of day, s/he reveals just how ludicrous it is. Branmuffin22 (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2014 (UTC)branmuffin22
Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life
<ref>"Tolerance and Tension: Islam and Christianity in Sub-Saharan Africa". The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. Pew Research Center. April 15, 2010. Retrieved 2010-11-29.</ref>
- Next, I'm going to read some behaviors. For each, please tell me whether you personally believe that it is morally acceptable, morally wrong, or is it not a moral issue? Homosexual behavior.
|Country||morally wrong||morally acceptable
or not a moral issue
Figures may not add to 100% due to rounding.
Southern Sudan in the map
Southern Sudan has a separate legal code from the rest of Sudan. Other maps show the difference between the north (execution) and the south (large penalty). The map should be changed. Here is an example of a more accurate map showing Southern Sudan -
Benin on the map / LGTB-rights and the diverging colonial traditions
In the written list Benin is correctly referred to as a country where same sex activity is legal, on the map, however, it is marked orange (severe penalty). The map needs updating: For a long time Benin was listed among those countries with sodomy laws; however, this was based on an error. The source cited was a publication of the "Université du Benin", which has its name from the geographical notion Benin (covering the whole region like in "gulf of Benin") and is acutally situated in Togo. The penal code referred to in this publicaiton of 1990ies is the togolese penal code. In Benin, however, the penal code is still the colonial "code Bouvenet" of 1877 (http://www.fluechtlingshilfe.ch/herkunftslaender/africa/benin/benin-situation-von-homosexuellen; cf. also the latest ILGA-report).
The correction of the map would be important, since the map clearly shows that most African countries until today more or less follow the legislation of their colonial powers as it was in 1958-1960 when most of these colonies became independent states. France and Belgium had abolished sodomy laws in the early 19th century already, so the former French colonies until today have maintained legal impunity for same sex activities among adults, whereas the former British colonies (with the recent exception of South Africa) have maintained or even reenforced the sodomy laws of the British tradition. The case of Portugal and Spain being more complicated, since those countries had abolished sodomy laws in the 19th century, but later introduced severe, penalty-like measures of correction against those who "habitually perform acts against nature". The only countries of the former French colonial Empire that later introduced sodomy laws are (a) the Maghreb countries (as a part of the muslim-arab world)and the predominantly muslim countries along the West-African coast (Mauretania, Senegal, Guinea); (b) the former German colonies Togo and Cameroon. Even though the French penal code was introduced here in 1924, the French colonisation period obviously was too short to completely eleminate the influence of German colonisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 13:10, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Map is incorrect
Same sex relations do not carry a penalty in Mozambique. After South Africa, Mozambique is the most liberal country towards Gay people. The only thing Gays cannot do yet is same sex marriage(but there are ongoing calls for it). Admittedly the stance towards transgender issues is neither here nor there: while not illegal, there are no specific laws protecting Transgender people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:47, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
- I've changed the map, particularly since the article itself already says that homosexuality is legal. - htonl (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
You may be interested in the discussion at Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory#Consistency of table headings across the continents regarding the column headers of the tables included in this article. - htonl (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
map key is wrong
Orphaned references in LGBT rights in Africa
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of LGBT rights in Africa's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ILGA 2013":
- From LGBT rights in Benin: State-sponsored Homophobia A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults
- From LGBT rights in Mauritius: "State-sponsored Homophobia: A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults", International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, authored by Lucas Paoli Itaborahy and Jingshu Zhu, May 2013, page 51
- From LGBT rights in Mozambique: "State-sponsored Homophobia: A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults" (PDF). International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA).
- From LGBT rights in Togo: Itaborahy, Lucas Paoli (May 2013). "State-sponsored Homophobia: A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults" (PDF). The International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association. Retrieved 3 June 2013.
- From LGBT rights in Equatorial Guinea: "State-sponsored Homophobia: A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults" (PDF).
- From LGBT rights in the Central African Republic: "State-sponsored Homophobia: A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults", International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association, authored by Lucas Paoli Itaborahy and Jingshu Zhu, May 2013, page 20
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)