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Sex in speculative fiction


Definition of Queer[edit]

In order to prevent this from becoming one and the same as the horror genre, a definition of queer needs to be added. If books or films don't fit this definition, they should not be added to the bibliography or filmography.

'Queer' content needs to include on-screen, same-sex sexual or affectional desire, disclosure of alternative sexual/affectional orientation through words or action or a theme that is specific to GLBT folks.

This does NOT include the following:

  • same-sex rape or child abuse
  • people acting or dressing cross-gender for the purpose of amusement only
  • content considered 'homo-erotic'. Well built guys parading around in their underwear are NOT inherently queer.

Qvamp 19:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

  • As it stands, the list is pretty poor and the descriptions of a lot of the so-called LGBT films are rather vague. A lot of the films listed as 'gay' are only as such because they either have a gay actor, a gay/transgender character, have brief references to homosexuality, or as stated above, misidentified 'homoerotic content', none of which make up the entire theme/plot of the movie. Maybe I'm not understanding what consititutes a 'Queer Horror' film, but would anyone actually consider Silence of the Lambs or Nightmare on Elm Street 2 an LGBT film?Skibz777 (talk) 01:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

citation: "content considered 'homo-erotic'. Well built guys parading around in their underwear are NOT inherently queer" with that definition of queer the troll above is right, also a separated list of porn is sexophobic. within a line of comparison is gay erotique an aspect of being queer. or would anyone say, some people looking lingerie catalogues arent heterosexual because of viewing only "erotique" (which is also a problem of definition, erotique and porn and sexophobia arent really used in their meanings) with consideration of the genre horror and fictional literature/cinema and aspects of inherently queer - inherently is a strong word. most gays, most of their thinking, most advertising, most of gay/lesbians movements arent inherently queer what i know, but should a vampire film be by definition inherently queer to show aspects and present more queer adequat content? signed by tilde 81.217.63.142 (talk) 23:24, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Definition of Horror[edit]

Horror content can include items that fall into the horror genre, items that fall into closely related genres (for example: dark fantasy), or items that fall into other genres but include a character type associated with the horror genre (vampires, werewolves, monsters, ghosts) Qvamp 19:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Overuse of the word, Queer[edit]

I don't know about you, but I find that the word, Queer, is overused. In some cases the word gives the article a rather unencyclopedic sound, not to mention rather homophobic. The sentence, "Books were generally controlled by larger publishers and this made it very difficult for queers to get their message out," is a good example of this. Wolf ODonnell 13:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The word 'horror' is also used a lot. Unless you can give a reason why the word 'queer' is substantially different than the word 'horror' in an academic sense, I'm not sure I understand the concern. While the word 'queer' used to be a homophobic word, it is used commonly to refer to the GLBT community nowadays by the community itself (see Queer). Qvamp 05:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
That makes the article have a US bias as usage of the word queer amongst the LGBT comunity outside of the US (specifically English speaking nations) is extremely rare. Also, it is using a reclaimed slang term in the narrative and the only real comparison to it is to look at articles about black culture and count the amount of times their reclaimed word is used in the narrative. It's fine to use it as part of the title of something if that is the accepted title, like Queer Cinema, but that doesn't make it good grammar to use the word in the narrative.Ramore —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramore (talkcontribs) 05:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, I can't help but notice that a few of the movies and tv shows listed in the list aren't GLBT at all but merely have a GBLT character. Wolf ODonnell 14:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Considering movies cannot actually have sex with a same-sex partner... what is your definition of a 'queer movie?' Qvamp 05:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Uncited list[edit]

Moved this here as it is uncited to RSs, and some seem very dubious, if not insulting (Psycho is not trans, he crazy!).

Bibliography

  • Holliday, Don
    • Three on a Broomstick 1967 (gay,bi male,trans vampire pulp)
  • Lambert, William J.
    • Valley of the Damned 1971 (gay werewolf pulp)
  • Karol, Michael
    • "Kiss Me, Kill Me" (2003 gay vampire novel, set in New York)[citation needed]
  • Karol, Michael
    • "Sleeps Well With Others" (2006 gay vampire novel, set in upper New York state; prequel to Kiss Me, Kill Me)[citation needed]
  • McMahan, Jeffrey
    • Somewhere in the Night 1989 (gay horror collection)
  • Garber, Eric, Paleo, Lyn
    • Uranian Worlds 1990 (GLBT horror/scifi bibliography)
  • McMahan, Jeffrey
  • Cooke, John Peyton
  • Garber, Eric
  • Gomez, Jewelle
  • Keesey, Pam
    • Daughters of Darkness: Lesbian Vampire Stories 1993 (lesbian vampire stories)[citation needed]
  • Keesey, Pam
    • Dark Angels: Lesbian Vampire Stories 1995 (lesbian vampire stories)[citation needed]
  • Keesey, Pam
    • Women Who Run with the Werewolves 1996 (lesbian werewolf stories)[citation needed]
  • Rowe, Michael, Roche, Thomas S.
  • Rowe, Michael, Roche, Thomas S.
    • Brothers of the Night, Gay Vampire Stories 1997 (gay vampire stories)[citation needed]
  • Griffith, Nicola, Pagel, Stephen
    • Bending The Landscape : Horror 2001 (GLB horror stories)[citation needed]

Lewallen, Marc "To The Grave" (2005) (erotic gay vampire thriller)[citation needed]

Filmography 
  • DeSimone, Tom
    • Sons of Satan 1973 (gay vampire porn)
  • Dahlin, Bob
    • Monster in the Closet 1986 (gay horror movie)
  • Pirro, Mark
    • Curse of the Queerwolf 1988 (gay, trans werewolf movie)
  • Jones, Marvin
    • Love Bites 1988 (gay vampire soft-core porn)
  • Beaumont, Gabrielle
    • Carmilla 1990 (lesbian vampire movie)
  • Cannon, Ross
    • Ultimate Reality 1996 (gay horror porn)
  • Coppel, Ann
    • Crocodile Tears 1996 (gay demon movie)
  • Huckert, John
    • Hard 1998 (gay,bi thriller movie)
  • Gould, Will
    • The Wolves of Kromer 1999 (gay werewolf movie)
  • Poirier, Bob
    • Traditional Family Vampires 2000 (gay vampire short)
  • Grannell, Joshua ( Peaches Christ )
    • Peaches Christ & her Tran-ilogy of Terror (Drag Horror Trilogy)
    • Season of the Troll 2001 (drag horror short)
    • A Nightmare On Castro Street 2002 (drag horror short)
    • Whatever Happened To Peaches Christ? 2004 (drag horror short)
  • West, Wash
    • The Hole 2003 (gay horror porn)
  • Liebenberg,Wilhelm
    • Eternal 2004 (lesbian, bi vampire)

notability / disputed[edit]

I added these tags after being unable to find this term in any relaible sources, even after checking 160 sources for writing the Homosexuality in Sf article. As far as i can tell, this term was used only by the defunct website of the same name. This doesn't look like a reliable source to me, and it's level of scholarship is very dubious. (and the main contributor was also a maintainer of said website). The first gay SF pulp was in 1953, it seems very unlikely that horror would be 14 years behind, after numerous gay genre fiction novels. Does anyone know any reliable sources for this term or genre? or any reason it shouldn't be a section in a larger article?Yobmod (talk) 20:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

What term are you talking about? This must not be in the current version of the article. Шизомби (talk) 03:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
That was when it was called "Queer Horror" and said HQ was a subgenre of horror. I since renamed it (to match similar articles, LGBT themes in science fiction, in comics, in mythology etc) and rmved the tags.YobMod 06:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh, OK. What problem is left that there's a factual accuracy tag at the top? Шизомби (talk) 13:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Incidentally, I'm not proposing renaming the article back, but "queer horror" does produce results now in Google Scholar and Google Books. Шизомби (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I added tags to show what needs citing (some of these i think are completely incorrect), but a complete rewrite would be better. If you want to work on the article, then I'm just finished writing the LGBT themes in comics GA nominee, so can help out here.
Oh, and Queer horror is still a redirect, so people will still find the right article. I'm not sure what sources use it to mean (LGBt themes? Produced by Queer ppl? Part of some movement?), but it is there anyway. A broader title allows us to include things like Buffy, which i've never hearld called Queer horror, but does have a lot of horror and LGBt themes. YobMod 14:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Time-permitting, I'll help out. The comics article looks good. Шизомби (talk) 02:46, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

rejected material[edit]

The article contains the line

Books were generally controlled by larger publishers and this made it very difficult for gay authors to get their message out

I think that this doesn't reflect that non-gay authors would also have had trouble with the same material.

In some cases, in days gone by advertising one was gay was to advertise oneself as a criminal - sodomy was illegal in Britain. Therefore an author would not have presented this as a fact to a potential publisher therefore the rejection wasn't explicitly on the sexuality of the author, but that of the material. Montalban (talk) 23:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)