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disambiguation?[edit]

LMFAO is the name of a music group that did the pop/hip hop song Party Rock Anthem. looking up 'LMFAO' redirects directly to here. 169.235.8.53 (talk) 19:12, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

This article should not be deleted.[edit]

As you all know Wikipedia has articles not only on every subject that you CAN think of but also on those that you can NOT. LOL is the most frequently used acronym on Internet and therefore it represents the younger generation and the Internet era. LOL is more than an acronym; rather it has now become a "symbol", if you get my drift. Deleting LOL is deleting a part of history. Jjeong12 (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I believe this article belongs in the wiktionary instead. --Poohunter (talk) 05:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree, this article should not be deleted.

I agree because it helps people to now differences. the word LOL is lough out loud and it means other things in other languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.100.217.213 (talk) 12:23, 23 February 2011 (UTC) ROFL MARKUS BABIES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.73.17 (talk) 03:17, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

IMHO[edit]

this page is wrong, every time i've seen or used the term "imho" it has meant "in my honest opinion" not "in my humble opinion", that's just ridiculous as whoever wrote this article obviously has never been trolled before, or talked to anyone random on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.145.69.46 (talk) 17:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Danish version of LOL/lol[edit]

You can hardly say that g or commonly written *g*/*gg* etc, is a translation of lol. They are refering to the danish version of laughing, but they are not commonly used (most Danes use lol) secondly *g*/*gg*/griner is not a powerful as lol. Stating that you are lol'ing (^^) means you are practically falling off your chair where as griner/*g*/*gg* is just common laughing. --WiiTee (talk) 11:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Please delete the article.[edit]

Don't delete it (It is a part of modern culture as much as many other things are), kkdevakck

please, the entire first section of the article is garbage. At least create a new section about all of these "studies" or better yet, delete them and replace it with a history of the word. Seriously, though, the first section has to go.

98.169.249.232 (talk) 18:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

lol is laugh out loud and lmao is laugh my ass off As much as the acronym 'LOL' is in global use, it belongs more on Urban Dictionary than a fully-featured encyclopedia. Please delete the article or at least get somebody else to do it as it is quite pathetic with details. They're not wrong, just a little bit inaccurate and the article is very unprofessional. It's already been nominated for deletion once; keep Wikipedia to the informal articles, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuzTeTT (talkcontribs) 12:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

And why isn't an acronym encyclopedic?--Megaman en m (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Fully-featured minus "LOL"? How is the article "quite pathetic with the details"? Did you request the deletion just for teh lullz? --Joshua Issac (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

(LOL means Lots Of Laughs) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.44.237 (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, the previous discussion resulted in Speedy Keep. --Joshua Issac (talk) 23:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

"LOL is a common element of Internet slang used historically on Usenet". Do we really need to use the word USENET? --Fuzzyhair2 (talk) 22:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

ROFFLES[edit]

ROFFLES redirects here, but the article doesn't mention it once. Can't figure out what the extra letters mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.207.140 (talk) 22:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC) Do we even need this article? Shaunsomeone (talk) 15:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Internet lingo is immature, and stupid. It's hardly worthy of an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.40.115 (talk) 01:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

This article falls completely within the requirements of Wikipedia articles per Wikipedia standards. It, however, does require work to become a more complete and constructive encyclopedic entry. As noted above all previous attempts to have this article deleted have resulted in a "speedy keep" verdict. It may be prudent to discuss a merge of this article into common internet lingo if there is enough of objection to LOL being a separate article, but this move would have to be discussed at length and would not be an overnight outcome. Chris4682 January 1, 2009 6:59PM

Could someone please delete the line "Teenagers now sometimes use them in spoken communication as well as in written, with ROFL (pronounced /ˈroʊfəl/ or /ˈrɒfəl/) and LOL (pronounced /ˈloʊl/, /ˈlɒl/, or /ˌɛloʊˈɛl/), for example"? I am a teenager and am highly offended by this line. No one I know uses lol in spoken communication and few use it in text messaging or IM.It is also used various times when there is an awkward situation on hand.

But it's teenagers who use this slang more often than older generations. It's from a neutralz point of viewzez. Kausill (talk) 08:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


I know plently of people who use it, both spoken and written. Depends on the people, I guess.

98.169.249.232 (talk) 18:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

How old is this page?[edit]

Could somebody please unlock this page for renovation? I mean... The first sentence:

'LOL (also written with some or all letters lowercase, most commonly as lol or LoL)'

I've never seen anybody say LoL. Or BWL for that matter (also mentioned). This page is horribly, tragically outdated. Please let the Wikipedia community fix this! 124.177.124.250 (talk) 10:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I use LoL! And I'm somewhat representative insofar that I have used it before reading this article, so there is an extent of randomness in the statistical sample that I am. Don't think that what you know is the whole world.
6birc (talk) 13:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
  • The source documents BWL. Readers don't trust Wikipedia editors about whom they only know their IP addresses. They trust sources, and the article has to say what the sources say. Please read and familiarize yourself with our Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research policies. Uncle G (talk) 20:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Just for the record im 15 and i say it all the time because im pro and epic while the rest of you are all n00bs and gyro's. Thankyou and loool, lol rofl xD zomg roflctoper soi soi soi

Noot92 (talk) 07:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Some of the things written on the 'lol' page are WRONG. Example: ROTFL- Rolling on the floor laughing. This is meant to be ROFL as the 'T' is not written. This is false information that we are not allowed to edit.

Ridiculous.

  • Again, please read and familiarize yourself with our verifiability policy. Wikipedia is not written based upon claims from people with pseudonyms such as "Noot92". It is written based upon published sources written by people such as Jiuan Heng, Guy L. Steele, Robin Williams, Steve Cummings, Tim Shortis, and Eric S. Raymond. In the event of a conflict between an assertion backed up by multiple published sources written by identifiable people who have expertise in the field and reputations for fact checking and accuracy to defend, and an assertion from some unidentifiable person calling xyrself "Noot92" with nothing at all to back it up, Wikipedia, by clear policy, goes with what the sources say. Uncle G (talk) 13:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Please please please unlock this page. This is so old and every single internet acronym redirects here. Even ROFLCOPTER (soi soi soi) even when that is not mentioned in the article and is completely seperate from LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.118.42 (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

ISHP. This article is bullshit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbobboblol (talkcontribs) 19:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

im 15 and i use lol all the friggin time in basic conversation. Just ask ali scott. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.177.46 (talk) 20:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

ROFL NOT ROFTL[edit]

seriously it's ROFL meaning roll on floor laughing, people think it is roftl because they think it is roll on THE floor laughing. not ROFTL (rolling on the floor laughing) that's just plain wrong. DUDE you are making an idiot of yourself. "not ROFTL (rolling on the floor laughing)" You got the meaning right but constantly got the abreviation wrong... so, to clarify, it's ROTFL. Not ROFTL, which would mean "rolling on floor the laughing".

ROFL you can't get it right all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speed assasin (talkcontribs) 09:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

If you find some published source that talks about ROFL, Wikipedia can use material from encyclopedia-quality sources but not material from our own experience or impressions. I agree that ROTFL is uncommon/non-existent in the chat circles I know about online. But I just did a Google news search -- ROTFL and ROFL are still about equally common in currently published media. betsythedevine (talk) 14:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Its ROFL, and why doesn't ROFL have its own entry. As for source, go to any gaming server and ask.... ROFTL is WRONG! Tha dictionary --Rootbeerjunky (talk) 14:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

If any real media writer is reading these pages, why not write an article on the ROFL wars? (See similar comments by different people also on the talk page for Internet slang.) Then we could have what Wikipedia considers a verifiable source for the shades of nuance and use in different communities of ROTF (oldest), ROTFL (which seems to have a monopoly in scholarly articles on the subject), and ROFL, which many enthusiasts say here is now the standard. Google News searches turn up current usage of both ROTFL and ROFL. betsythedevine (talk) 18:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
    • All hail Google. No siriously, being a dedicated gamer ROTFL is like ancient, old and for n00bies. Its ROFL, but then again I do agree it could be based on online community what abbreviation they use. I do not think Wikipedia could handle Leet or gaming slang/terminology. You are kidding about scholarly articles about ROFL are you???--Rootbeerjunky (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, there are tons of scholarly papers written in the field of linguistics, and some at least talk about internet slang. For example, this article, which has ROTFL rather than ROFL. [1] betsythedevine (talk) 23:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Linguistically, it is fairly common for abbreviations to exclude the letter 'T' when it stands for 'the'. Similarly, 'A' is often not put into abbreviations when an 'and' exists in the sentence. Also, google search shows some 16 million more results for "ROFL" than "ROTFL", implying that the former is now the common standard. Greg (tc) 11:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

i can assure you that ROFL is more commonly used IN GAMING AND NORMAL SPEECH. in the media, it may, be just as common to come across ROTFL as ROFL but this is NOT true as such in gaming (where abbreviations such as this are most common.) you may also notice that, in many spell checks, "ROFL" doesn't get marked as an incorrect spelling where as "ROTFL" DOES!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.152.185 (talk) 11:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, it's not ROFTL (rollin on floor the laughing). LOL. Kausill (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

However an extended version "ROTFLOL" (Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud, why the "the" is capitalised I don't know) has entered usage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.146.37 (talk) 22:35, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree fully. My friends and I only ever use ROFL. If someone says ROTFL we usually reply saying that it's outdated. ROFL is the correct verson of Rolling on the floor laughing. Just like in USA we forget the "of". The same goes for ROFL except we forget the "the". Ratkinzluver33 (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

lol[edit]

Well im an internet gamer and i use lol all of the time. There are many differant things you can use as slang and people often use slang in there online games. LOL and lol usally have very differant meanings. When people say LOL it's usally ment to mean its more funny than just saying lol. Useing caps can be used as a way of shouting e.g. you fool or in caps YOU FOOL. Other slang used online is rofl, lmao, lmfao, wtf, gf (get F@@@), gf (girl friend), gf (good friend),brb (be right back), bbl (be back later, afk and stfu. Faces can also be used as slang :)  :( -.- <('.'<).

Get FATATAT? LOL Kausill 06:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
You are epic. Colabcalub (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Your point is? This article is only about the abbreviation LOL.--Megaman en m (talk) 14:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Although you're right, you need to stop speaking like a retard and type properly or no one will listen to you. Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


SO BASICALLY, LOL=LAUGH OUT LOUD :p —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.254.165.250 (talk) 20:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

That made me LOL, ROFL, LMFAO, LMAO, Etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.32.56 (talk) 03:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC) It also stands for Lots of laughs <LOL!

Somebody please define "CMC-style abbreviations"![edit]

The section "Spread from written to spoken communication" refers to a study in which "Out of 2,185 transmissions, there were 90 initialisms in total, only 31 CMC-style abbreviations, and 49 emoticons." I can't find any definition in Wikipedia or anywhere else (including the referenced source for that study) of "CMC-style abbreviations." What are they? Jim10701 (talk) 20:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

CMC is "computer-mediated communication." I agree, it's a flaw in the article if that's not clear. betsythedevine (talk) 21:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Overlap with the article on Internet slang[edit]

The two sections "Analysis" and "Spread from written to spoken communication" contain a lot of information that is relevant to Internet slang in general, not just to "lol." I copied that information to Internet slang. I think it would also be a good idea to remove from this article material that relates only peripherally to "lol." Any discussion from others, pro or con? betsythedevine (talk) 20:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

kek/bur reference[edit]

Heph8 (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2009 (UTC) kek: Cross-faction rendering of lol in the MMORPG World of Warcraft. Though most words are not translated directly across factions, lol is always faithfully rendered as "kek". When a member of the Horde says the word lol, nearby members of the Alliance see the word as "kek". Kek is derived from the Korean ㅋㅋㅋ, or kekeke, which is used to express laughter.[citation needed]

http://projectazeroth.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LanguageOrcish is a website devoted to translating the various tongues used in WoW. Bur is commonly heard by horde when alliance say lol, and kek is what alliance hear when horde say lol.

Granted this is true, they use an algorithm to translate the words, and is theoretically possible for the word 'bur' or 'kek' to come up with a different three letter word. They (Blizzard) never made a complete dictionary translation and only went with an algorithm to do it. Though I'm sure they would never admit it Kalbintion (talk) 23:14, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

LMAO and LMFAO[edit]

Personally, I feel that Wikipedia should not be so mercilessly abused by internet gamers, who purposely try to embbed profanities into good articles. Or not very good articles. Anyway, we all know that LMFAO has a vulgarity, which is the F, which is F***. We all know that this is very bad, especially for innocent children who go browsing wikipedia, and because their friend said lol, they search what it means. LMAO is safer, and you should change it to LMAO. I'll change it.

Wikipedia isn't censored for the protection of children. :P Kausill 06:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Hopefully nobody would change it to LAMO.

Please don't second-guess the motivations of other editors. It is entirely possible that the paragraph contains "LMFAO" because the source being cited contained that spelling and/or because that is the term kids use to disguise their reference not only to its F-word but also to its A-word. betsythedevine (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia is NOT censored so profanity is allowed if it improves the article.--Megaman en m (talk) 15:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I came to this page after googling for a definition of lmfao. lmfao redirects here, so it really should be mentioned somewhere.WotherspoonSmith (talk) 05:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
just in case someone still wanna know, LMAO means "Laughing My Ass Off", and LMFAO means "Laughing My Fucking Ass Off"--TiagoTiago (talk) 02:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
ROTFL means "Rolling On The Floor Laughing" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.223.154.179 (talk) 22:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
But you see, no one uses ROTFL, it's just ROFL. The T is not included. This article is serious bullshit. Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Lolz?[edit]

On the page it says that lolz can sometimes be used instead of lol. I've always heard that that it means "laugh out loud zealously". Can anyone confirm/deny whether this is true and find citation of it? earle117 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Well that's rubbish. Lolz is the plural of LOL, as in "I did it for the lulz" which is it appropriate spelling. It's actually not an acronym. Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

it also sais that lolz is used as "mockery" of the word lol, stupid and it belongs on urbain dictionary, it should be deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.231.228.175 (talk) 10:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Rofl vandalism?[edit]

I think Wikipedia has been spammed with rofls on the LOL page. Because of semi protection, it's uneditable for me. Can anyone change it? --82.13.216.194 (talk) 22:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to sign up. Shy Guy Gunzel~Talk 07:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Bad Article[edit]

LOL is now a common acronym. But for how long, and what is there to say about it? At least explain the origin of LOL, why it became popular, and how popular it is. The article oversteps its bounds and goes offtopic from LOL to acronym. Given its actual content, the "Analysis" section would be more appropriately labeled "Criticism" or "Controversy". The article is also outdated. Erudecorp ? * 02:59, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

ya, we used lol, wtf, wth, and many other acronyms like this when we were in grade school, long before the internet became widespread (c. 1982-84) its bizzare that younger people assume that they made them up. oh well, im too lazy to research this:) 96.238.247.130 (talk) 04:51, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Just too old, not too lazy, ;-).
6birc (talk) 15:29, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
just to inform you - LOL as far as I know the origin is from the 80s.. it is possible that it dates before the 80s but it was used on BBS servers since the 80s for sure 100% .. the origin.. if you think about it.. it is not that difficult to see why this is true.. source: me (Adamson) --- p.s. - the article cites Usenet, which is true, absolutely.. the reality is, it has been used since the 80s and only more recently in the last decade or so "blew up"

ROFLCOPTER[edit]

ROFLCOPTER redirects here but is never mentioned in the article— What's with that? ROFLCOPTER has its own little history in (if I remember correctly) World of Warcaft long after the creation of LOL, ROFL, ROFLMAO, or other any varient of such. ROFLCOPTER is also unique in that it not actually an acronym, but rather a base word, "copter" (presumebly from the word "helicopter"), mixed with the acronym prefix, "ROFL" ("Rolling On [The] Floor Laughing"), creating a word-acronym mix that (presumebly for asthetic purposes or for the convenience of not having to switch between capital letters and lower-case letters) is irregularly partially capitalized. Also note that "COPTER" does not stand for anything, as nothing would make sense, and because it is obviously part of the word "helicopter". As a theory of its origin or meaning, I think it may be a play on the common, though incorrect, pronounceation of "helicopter" as something along the lines of "hellocopter". Not sure where to go from there though. 70.184.239.162 (talk) 17:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

soi soi soi soi... maybe? Kausill (talk) 08:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

But if it's only used in WoW, does it belong here? --Thnidu (talk) 02:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

It's not only in WoW, it's become more popular. Kausill (talk) 14:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
more popular wouldn't be the first to use it, there are great deal of Flash made things about. To give an idea, theres a game where you fly a 'roflcopter' Rofl.name let alone a shirt at ThinkGeek and there is much more stuff on it than there ever has been. And there's an article under Google news that uses it: BostonHerald Kalbintion (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


You need to fucking get out more! "lolz" etc Basket Feudalist 07:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


I won't change the above, but the term "roflcopter" was actually coined long before World of Warcraft in the days of Warcraft III Reign of Chaos. I was in a game and this human massed gyrocopters since they only cost 1 food per unit. After a long game of tower hit and run, he finally decided to hit my base with all of his gyrocopters. After losing my Great Hall, he proceeded to spam "roflcopter" as if he set it to copy+paste. I don't know where this person got the term from or if he/she created it theirself since it was the original WC3 about 8-9 years ago.---- anonypotamus

ROFTL?[edit]

I don't think anyone has used ROFTL for a long time. It is a bad example in the first paragraph of the article, and should be replaced with ROFL immediately due to the fact that people actually use the term ROFL. Thanks guys, and sorry that I am too lazy to log into my account and change it myself, but then I would start fixing other articles. You know how that goes. --207.118.214.56 (talk) 15:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Your reasoning is parochial. Maybe no one in your circle has used it for a long time, but it's still around. And BTW, it's ROTFL, not ROFTL "Rolling On Floor The Laughing". --Thnidu (talk) 02:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

yea, on games i play, and with my freinds, we all us it alot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.204.217 (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

mdr?[edit]

I don't think anybody actually use "mdr" to replace LOL in French language. I am a French speaking Quebecer and as I can see, everybody around here use LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.129.147.93 (talk) 01:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

We sort of do use it but not to replace "lol", you're right. But since it's not so common anymore it has a stronger value. I don't think the article is wrong though when it says it's the french version. Skwiz (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I concur: in Quebec (and by extension: for french-canadians), "lol" is commonly used, instead of "mdr", which is rarely (if ever), used. I believe it to be due to the fact french-canadians are typically bilingual and commonly discuss in English on the Internet [unsourced]. Contrastingly, people from France and the area, who are typically unilingual, use "mdr" as the very common replacement for "lol", as well as other french equivalents for English-derived abbreviations. Salvidrim (talk) 18:55, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

New Redirection[edit]

Maybe kik should have a disambiguation page, since it also redirects to bass drum. Kik is a usual typo among fast typers. Kausill (talk) 11:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I've solved the problem. Type KIK to see. Kausill (talk) 11:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Corruptions of "Lol"[edit]

in the sub-article "Corruptions of "Lol"" theres a part that says lqtm is widely used, and i've been using the internet thru games for 4 years and have never herd this term, can anyone give a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.177.37.202 (talk) 02:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

  • I've never heard lqtm ever used, i've been on the internet for 5-6 years, this SHOULD BE REMOVED - BuLl3t

"Variants" would be better than "Corruptions". --Thnidu (talk) 02:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

what about "lulz: a corruption of L O L which stands or laugh out loud" quote in the lulz section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.13.138 (talk) 01:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

ROFL vs. ROTFL[edit]

Sorry to bring this topic up again, but a Google search gets 14,600,000 hits for ROFL & 3,770,000 hits for ROTFL. The most recent citation that mentions "ROTFL" is from 2001, and the other two citations are from 1996 & 1993, eons ago in terms of the internet. The most recent citation (from 2003) does not even mention "ROTFL" at all, but mentions "ROFL" once. I feel this is enough justification for changing the article. chad. (talk) 23:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

  • I agree that ROFL is now much more common. Our agreement constitutes WP:OR unless somebody finds a reliable source saying the same thing. Also, when the article is citing a reliable source that used "ROTFL," it is not accurate to change material based on that source to replace "ROTFL" with "ROFL." betsythedevine (talk) 05:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
  • It isn't. Find and cite a reliable source that documents this. How many more times does this have to be said? Google Web page hit counts are meaningless (as linguists who have tried to use them will tell you). Cite a source. Find someone with a good reputation for fact checking and accuracy who has actually documented what you claim to be true. Uncle G (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
    • "Google Web page hit counts are meaningless (as linguists who have tried to use them will tell you)." But do you have a reliable source which states that GW hit counts are meaningless? ;-) I do believe that a difference of 11M hits isn't completely insignificant, and would justify a shift from "ROTFL (also spelled ROFL)" to "RO(T)FL" or something else which is less biased towards ROTFL. Not in a citation, of course.
    • On a more serious topic: ROFL and LMAO should probably have their own pages, which would declutter the LOL page and this talk page a good bit. Both ROFL and LMAO are very common on the net. X-refs at the bottom are always an option. User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 10:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
    • I think this is clearly a case where Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules applies. Unless anybody is seriously positing that ROTFL is prevalent and ROFL is uncommon by comparison. Jaimeastorga2000 (talk) 05:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
      • You are thinking incorrectly. IAR is not a get-out-of-content-policy-free card, as Wikipedia:What "Ignore all rules" means clearly explains. Stop looking for loopholes and cite a source. We've made the effort to raise this article from the terrible depths that it once was in by working on making it adhere to our verifiability and no original research policies, in part by writing it based upon what sources we can find actually say. Any reversal of that is not an improvement, but a step backwards and counter to the project's goals. So find a reliable source that documents the fact that you assert. Others have put in the effort to find sources with the rest of the article. Anyone wanting this particular content in the article is not exempt from putting in the same effort and writing properly. It says below the every edit box that you see that encyclopaedic content must be verifiable. That is not a warning without teeth. This is verifiability in action. You are actually being held, by other people around you, to the project's standards for content. Find and cite a reliable source that documents what you claim to be true. Uncle G (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
      • To be honest this whole discussion is a bit ridiculous. Either variation can be found on a butt ton of web pages, why not just include both? (i.e. say "ROTFL (often shortened to ROFL)") I think it is in the spirit of ignore all rules (or maybe in this case, make a few new ones up) that at some point a whole bunch of independent, quasi-reliable sources constitutes a single fully reliable source. This whole argument is over ONE LETTER! Can we please use this page for more constructive discussions rather than arguing over the letter T? Daniel J Simanek (talk) 08:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
          • "To be honest this whole discussion is a bit ridiculous." ROTFLOL --Nerd42 (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
        • The only ridiculous thing here is that although sources have been requested here for at least eight months, no-one wanting this content has put in the effort to find and cite a single one, but instead we have the same request repeated, without sources to back it up, again and again, as if the request for sources to back up the claim will be any different to the last time. Proper article writing requires verifiability, and this is verifiability in action. The Wikipedia editor community as a whole, and individually, requires that content be backed up by sources. You are being challenged to show a source to back up your claim, in the normal way that happens every day at Wikipedia. Repeating the claim does not rise to that challenge. Trying to squirm out of fundamental project policy does not rise to the challenge. Finding and citing a reliable source does. Rise to the challenge and do so. Uncle G (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
          • I am not trying squirm out anything. I am trying to present a compromise after watching months of rather pointless bickering. The reason no one has found a single scholarly source is that IT'S HARD and it's not for lack of effort. I was hoping that citing several less-than-scholarly sources would be enough to satisfy everyone. I know the policy, and all I was asking is that editors consider this as a means of moving the discussion forward. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 19:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How about this as a compromise suggestion: somebody find one linguistics or otherwise scholarly paper that talks about "ROFL" or (even more common now) "rofl". We will use that source as a reference in the summary and move the 4 or 5 earlier scholarly papers talking about "ROTFL" into external links? If we are citing a bunch of scholarly papers that talked about pteranodons, we can't write our article as if they talked about ducks just because pteranodons have evolved into ducks, IMO. betsythedevine (talk) 00:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Does a Washington Post article that has been cited in the The British journal of developmental psychology[2] count as a reliable source?

    Helderman, R. S. (2003, 20 May). Click by Click, Teens Polish Writing; Instant Messaging Teaches More Than TTYL and ROFL. The Washington Post, p. B.01.

    Daniel J Simanek (talk) 19:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Also:

    Childress; Marcus; Braswell; Ray (2006). "Using massively multiplayer online roleplaying games for online learning". Distance Education 27 (2): 187–196. doi:10.1080/01587910600789522. Other than the occasional use of emoticons such as ;) (wink) or other generally accepted instant messaging abbreviations such as <LOL> (laughing out loud) or <ROFL> (rolling on the floor laughing), there is little, if any visual feedback that alerts the students to the tenor of the discussion 

    Daniel J Simanek (talk) 02:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Neither of those seems to be available freely over the internet, but I have added a reference to one that is. I hope this addition will resolve this controversy. betsythedevine (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


There is another laughing abbreviation that was not metioned, it is BOAL this means "buss out a laugh". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.11.82 (talk) 03:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC) lol means lots of laughs

Lots Of Laughs[edit]

Isn't Lots Of Laughs or Lots of Laughter also something that LOL stands for? The article doesnt even mention them. Apoyon (talk) 10:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It's in Lol (disambiguation), which is linked at the top of the article. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Um, no it's not. And even if it was, shouldn't it also be mentioned in this article? Apoyon (talk) 13:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

"Lulz"[edit]

Is it derived from the 4chan community? I thought Encyclopedia Dramatica started it before 4chan did.--Deitrohuat (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable source?--Megaman en m (talk) 01:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
ED says it was coined by a LiveJournal user, "Jameth". How is it known that it is derived from the 4chan community, where does it say that?--Deitrohuat (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Just to clarify, this article LOL mentions 4chan in the context of a NYT article that talked about the use of "lulz" in the 4chan community. I am removing the claim that it originated there unless somebody provides a reliable source for that claim. betsythedevine (talk) 14:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol is used mostly by young adults. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.191.225 (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Lulz is laughter at others expense, and originally it was coined by a Live Journal user, "Jameth" and 4chan started using it. On note of what someone said, Encyclopedia Dramatica was around after 4chan from what I understand DrSinn (talk) 20:38, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

lulz, Schadenfreude, and other notes.[edit]

First off, is lulz a form of schadenfreude? The article on schadenfreude says it is "pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others." That makes seem like lulz is schadenfreude is too me. I understand that this conclusion may constitute synthesis but, with a source, wouldn't including schadenfreude in the definition for lulz be helpful to readers trying understanding the term?

On another note, considering the people who use it call lulz a "corruption of lol" wouldn't it also be prudent to include that in the definition as well. Sources for that are easy to find (see this Google Scholar search) so, as long it's worded properly, there shouldn't be any issue with neutral point of view and, once again, would be helpful to readers. Daniel J Simanek (talk) 17:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's so SYNthy if wikt:lulz mentions schadenfreude. Adding. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 14:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

LQTM isn't mentioned[edit]

LQTM isn't mentioned, but redirects here. Why redirect here if it isn't mentioned? LtDonny (talk) 10:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

BWL[edit]

Does anyone actually use this acronym? Google search turns up Blackwing Lair, apparently something from WoW. I personally have never heard it used.

From another user, I would also like to say that across my many years of being on the internet, I have never, ever seen BWL. For this reason, I would like to request its removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shimo1989 (talkcontribs) 05:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

LMAO[edit]

LMAO means "laugh my ass off" or "laughing my ass off, its much used in games like World of warcraft, runescape, minecraft, and Leauge og legends —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.121.246.37 (talk) 02:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Lots of Laughs?[edit]

'LOL' usually expresses laughter and so do the other variants listed, the 'lots of luck' variant expresses something else. EDIT: Removed. EagleYS (talk) 10:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

It should be on a list of common misinterpretations (see below). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.72.210.122 (talk) 17:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

löl?[edit]

adding "löl", an german variation of lol ? --Sims1024 (talk) 13:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

  • No, they do use "lmt" (lach mich tot = laughing to death) tho. löl is just another heavy metal umlaut. User.Zero.Zero.Zero.One (talk) 10:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hebrew LOLs[edit]

As a Hebrew speaking Israeli who surfs the internet on a daily basis I've never witnessed the use of "ההה" as the equivalent of lol. "חחח", on the other hand, is indeed very popular. As for the use of "לול", I have an explanation of why it isn't common. "לול" can be read as "lol", but also as "lul". "Lul" in Hebrew means "chicken coop". This is because the "u" and "o" vowels in Hebrew can both be written with the same letter. I hope my explanation is good enough... :)

Slightly contradictory?[edit]

Seriously almost nobody will notice, but this is slightly inaccurate/contradictory in my opinion:

"It is one of many initialisms for expressing..."

"/ˈloʊl/, /ˈlɒl/, or /ˌɛloʊˈɛl/"

Initialisms are solely pronounced letter-by-letter, and therefore, "LOL" which can be pronounced letter-by-letter but is also pronounced commonly as a whole, is more accurately defined to be an acronym.

If you find that I am wrong about this case, then kindly fix the then contradictory Wiktionary definition(s) for acronym and/or initialism.

74.109.136.32 (talk) 03:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Cheers to you for noticing! Thanks! Kausill (Talk) (Contribs) 12:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

No word about LMAO?[edit]

There's something wrong with this article; abbreviation "lmao" redirects here, but it doesn't even appear in content. I suppose this should be fixed, maybe by creating new article (if it's too vulgar for innocent children who are searching the meaning of "lol" ;). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.191.178.165 (talk) 16:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

"LMFAO" also redirects here, and also is not mentioned in the body of the article. 86.133.48.238 (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC).

Other uses for LOL[edit]

I've heard that before the Internet LOL also meant Lots of Love. Shouldn't this be included in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunger993 (talkcontribs) 14:15, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Now virtually meaningless[edit]

"lol" is now so hackneyed and worn out that it often scarcely conveys any meaning at all. This should probably be mentioned in the article. 86.133.48.238 (talk) 20:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

How are you going to find a reliable source of that?--Megaman en m (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Sources do not need to be in black and white. Go to any chatroom or play any online multiplayer games with chatting function. The term 'lol' is used often without discretion as a neutral reply, and it only gains meaning when people type it in caps.--219.74.99.70 (talk) 07:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Lol is often used in place of um, as a casual reply of agreement, or in place of okay. For example a person could say: "I had orange juice for breakfast." most often someone would just reply "lol..." in meaning okay. As the person above me said it is only really meant when it's in caps. People only usually say LOL when they are really laughing. Ratkinzluver33 (talk) 21:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

LMAO also means...[edit]

In British/Scotish english LMAO means Laughing My Arse Off, just thought i should point that out. 78.33.175.201 (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I hate to look like a mean troll but, you don't say. Colabcalub (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

LOL[edit]

Lol as a non-abbreviation. “Lol” or Lolian are both words that exist and are used. The exact origin of the Celtic language is un-known but is written in the Welsh Dictionary!!! (Yng Nghmraeg y de) (In the Welsh of South Wales) Lol- “Nonsense” Lolian- “To talk nonsense”Serpant8 (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


Is not h not these are other forms of LOL

LOL Laugh(ing) Out Loud LOL Lots Of Love LOL Land O' Lakes LOL Lots Of Laughs LOL Lots Of Luck LOL Labor of Love LOL Loss of Life (insurance) LOL Land of Legends (Canandaigua Speedway, New York) LOL List of Links LOL Little Old Lady LOL Loads of Love LOL List of Lists LOL Love of Life LOL Language of Love LOL Lady of the Lake LOL Lowest of the Low LOL Locks of Love (Lake Worth, Florida charity) LOL Lack of Love (game) LOL Lots of Laughter LOL Lord of Lords (Jesus) LOL Learn Online LOL Land of Lincoln LOL Leg of Lamb LOL Live Out Loud LOL Lightolier (Genlyte Group company) LoL Lands of Lore (game) LOL Lord of Life (Church) LOL Loss of Light LOL Live-On-Line LOL Love Our Lord LOL Legend of Legaia (video game) LOL Labels or Love (song by Fergie) LOL Life of the Land LOL Laws of Life LOL Lots of Lag (on-line gaming) LOL Load of Laughs LOL Life of Loan (banking) LOL Loyal Orange Lodge LOL Lord Oh Lord LOL Log On Later LOL Love On Line LOL Loss of Lock LOL Land of Love LOL Lots of Losers (Rocket Arena 3 clan) LOL Limit of Liability LOL Language of Literature LOL Love Out Loud LOL Laughing On Line LOL Ladies of Lallybroch LOL Lord of Lies (gaming) LOL Lack of Laughter (less common) LOL Loser on Line LOL Living on Line LOL Lords of Legend (gaming) LOL Loss of Load LoL Line of Learning (UK education) LOL Lips on Lips LOL Lautes Online Lachen (German: Loud Online Laughter) LOL List Of Lights LOL Lower Operating Limit LOL Last or Least LOL Lot of Lamers LOL Loss of Line (telephony) LOL League of Losers (wild 17 chess team) LOL Length of Lease LOL Lying Out Loud LOL Lawyers on Line LOL Love of Literacy (teaching) LOL Lewd Obscene Language LOL Leaning Over Laughing LOL Limited Operational Life LOL Lunatics on Line LOL Less Of Lip LOL Longitudinal Output Level LOL Legend of Lothian (computer game) LOL Limited Operation Life LoL League of Lightness (gaming clan) LOL Low Order Language LOL Liar of Lies LOL Lovelock, Derby Field Airport, Nevada (IATA code) LOL Lord of the Lambs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumarjyotibaba (talkcontribs) 10:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

lol.....as lots of love.....how bout tis???[edit]

"lol" means laughing out loud .... ow bout takin "lol" also for..."lots of love "... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.14.74 (talk) 07:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any source, and why should we add it?--Megaman en m (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

People who believe that, on the Internet, LOL means something other than "Laughing Out Loud" (e.g. Jerry: <insert funny joke here>; Frank: LOL!!!) is the result of a discussion, probably with an "adult" during the onset of the creation of what is now known as "netcronyms" (interNET aCRONYMS). The likely scenario is that the person was reading forums, chats, message boards, or some other conversant medium and struggled to understand the meaning. Then began to misuse it and thus propagated it to others who continue to misuse it. LOL does not, and has not ever, stood for "Lots of Love" or "Lots of Luck" or "Little Ovary Ladies" or anything other than "Laughing Out Loud". Such phrases are not even common in everyday speech. If someone requests luck, we say "Good Luck!" (or use the netcronym "GL") to which the asker says "Thank you!" (or "ty"). If someone ever said "I have a court date today, my daughter might be going to jail." and received the response "LOL", either the responder A) is extremely callous and cruel, B) does not take the person seriously, or C) thinks (incorrectly) that LOL stands for "Lots of Luck". In a conversation with one's tween, to say "I love you, Mom!" to which 'mom' replies "LOL" would be interpreted as a laugh for the same reason above thereby destabilizing any emotional bonding or self esteem that the tween had prior to the conversation.

Let's leave the incorrect acronym interpretations out so as to avoid confusion -or- add a section for common misinterpretations. 63.72.210.122 (talk) 17:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

L.O.L.[edit]

I start typing L.O.L. (with the dots/full stops) to denote that i don't just 'laul' but actually laughing out loud (with the transformation of the thing lately). Can this be sourced somewhere? Or am I just the 1st? :D --94.70.119.46 (talk) 12:36, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I doubt you're the first to type it, but certainly one of the first to try to analyze actually -why- they type an acronym in a particular way on the Internet. Heck, I don't even hit the shift key. 63.72.210.122 (talk) 17:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Really??[edit]

This does not constitute a proper wiki page... 'lol' is an abbreviation created by children - like millions of others - so why not have pages on them? you don't decide on celebrity pages based on popularity, neither should you here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stakingsin (talkcontribs) 09:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The existence of a Wikipedia article about some topic does not constitute an endorsement of the topic's value, merely its notability. If scholarly papers, news articles, or other reliable sources discussing a topic can be cited, it most likely merits either an article of its own or inclusion within the scope of another. betsythedevine (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

LMFAO[edit]

LMFAO redirects here, but is never mentioned in the article. Is that due to its profanity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.198.77 (talk) 17:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Please authorize and post PFF as variant to LOL[edit]

To: Editor-in-Chief of Wiki "LOL"

"PFF" means Pretty Fucking Funny.

PFF is worth adopting as an official variant to LOL because like WTF it adds a suggestive characterization to an otherwise sanitized or sterile LOL, which many authors detest and want to avoid.

Authors want and deserve a total range of making and delivering commentary even with abbreviations.

When I use PFF I do so because I want the license to make a vulgar or suggestive comment with the ease of an acronym, and without the labor and wordiness of expressing it long hand, without which many of us may not comment at all.

Please add PFF as a variant to LOL.

Thank you.

Definitions of slang terms in wide usage can be found in wikt:Main Page, however. betsythedevine (talk) 01:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Goodness, just want to clarify that my one line of comment above was a response to somebody else's query about PFF. Not sure what happened to the sig of whoever that was, but ... not me. betsythedevine (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Abbreviations, not acronyms[edit]

This article commonly calls all abbreviations (including LMAO) acronyms, which is incorrect. An "acronym" is a set of initials which is pronounceable (like S.W.A.T. or S.C.U.B.A.). LOL can be pronounced (as "lawl"), but not all of them can. Please don't further corrupt the language by using the wrong words. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.208.203 (talk) 21:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Some dictionaries agree with you that "acronym" should be restricted to initialisms that make a pronounceable word, others do not. But I agree that this article uses acronym too often, so I changed it. betsythedevine (talk) 23:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} ia:LOL Ondra.cifka (talk) 12:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Not a very descriptive request, but Yes check.svg Done. --JokerXtreme (talk) 12:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

League of Legends[edit]

Maybe a redirect to the League of Legends article could be introduced, since it's abbreviated LoL. Igiarmpr (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

OK -- the relevant template is "for" rather than "redirect", but I did add a connection to the game. betsythedevine (talk) 02:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Odd source links and an opinion.[edit]

Firstly, the articles in references 12 and 13 don't seem to exist - the former lead to a blank article and the latter returns a 404 Error.


I figured I'd point out those less objectionable bits first, before I blabber out some opinions. Without any sources, I can't say much besides that it feels awfully false at the moment. Freedom of speech, hey.

I'd like to point out that none of the sources are written by people who actually read and use expressions like lol on a regular basis, nor have they asked what goes on in the minds of those who do. The people who do are teenagers who don't exactly spend their weekends writing scholarly hours on LOLing, and adults who are not linguists. I don't know how much of an authority some fellow with a website has, so to throw out an idea: perhaps the combined opinions of the Urban Dictionary teens could actually be a somewhat legitimate source? *ducks head and hides under hands*

That said, I have to take sides with the teenagers calling this article bullshit, except say it in a slight more civil and rationalized way. I find the sources here outdated, inaccurate, and unrepresentative of what you actually mean when you type "LOL", or other common internet acronyms such as ROFL, OMG, or LMAO. To me, LOL is an expression of excitement. I am almost never actually "laughing out loud" - i'm only excited and happy. Lol is, to me, a word (pronounce "lole"), a replacement for the nod (lol), grin (LOL), or laugh (LOL!!!) I would use in a face-to-face conversation. In way, what the Shortis has said, but to a greater extent ("Or indeed, I may not actually laugh out loud but may use the locution 'LOL' to communicate my appreciation of your attempt at humor.")

99.144.235.142 (talk) 01:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Just wanted to point out something else real quick. Lol can also be used not only as a nod of agreement but also as a replacement for "um" or the most often used term, "okay". Ratkinzluver33 (talk) 21:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 188.115.15.164, 10 April 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} Please change "au lieu of" to "instead of" because it is simply not englitsch

  • mdr: French version of the expression LOL, from the initials of "mort de rire" that roughly translated means "dying of laughter", although many French people now use LOL in lieu of this as it is the most widely used on the internet.

188.115.15.164 (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Lieu is one of many French words borrowed into English. While the expression au lieu is used considerably less often and is more French, the expression in lieu of is quite English and is widely used in English writing. Intelligentsium 18:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Done. "In lieu of" is unnecessarily pompous, and "this" here is superfluous. -- Hoary (talk) 00:30, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed[edit]

LOL also stands for Loyal Orange Lodge. [3] [4] [5] [6] 188.192.232.76 (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Academic presumptions[edit]

The sources presented in section Analysis, while sufficiently authoritative to be included in a Wikipedia article, apparently presume that users of these "linguistic tokens" just flatter their idiocy in using them. This is not automatically the case: while I cannot determine for sure whether I qualify as an idiot, I for one make an effort to use language consciously, consistently and orderly—in spite of employing lolspeak (sparingly). Lolspeak can not only be orthographically conservative, but it needs not even be at odds with typography, when used in such a way. While there is an incentive in the form of communication economy in using "Internet symbols" as a replacement to traditional words, I feel that it is not the chief incentive—as the researchers appear to presume—nor would this be anything new under the sun, since the whole of human language is built around the principle of communication economy. Hence, the suggestions of users' intellectual laziness, if served as accusations, must FAIL epically. Many users of lolspeak may well be immature or retards (as seen on this very talk page), but the academics aren't justified in simply taking this for granted. Perhaps they are afraid to relax a little.
6birc (talk) 14:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Apart from communication economy (negligible), other plausible benefits of lolspeak include:

  1. simply a repository of cherished clichés,
  2. a way to manifest enthusiasm and sympathy by an individual towards his online community, or the emerging new culture in general,
  3. substitutes for missing non-verbal cues (such as body language),
  4. proof of community status and "tribal allegiance".

I repeat that lolspeak need not be careless... in fact, it rarely seems so. But, now, all this is my WP:OR (to switch to Wikipedese for a change).
6birc (talk) 14:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Movable Type is a name, so it should be written in Caps[edit]

In the section "Spread from written to spoken communication" it stated movable type without Capitals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaspervdmeer (talkcontribs) 11:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

History of Usage[edit]

The article briefly mentions that the term appeared on usenet forums, is there any further information such as the first appearance of the word, we have a well documented history of the smiley :) why not for lol --voodoom (talk) 00:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 59.94.73.131, 6 July 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}}

i wud like to add LOLWA .. a BIT MESRA, INDIA version of lol..we at BIT use it instaed of lol 59.94.73.131 (talk) 13:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SpigotMap 13:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Welsh translation of LOL.[edit]

There is a Welsh translation of the acronym "lol" (laugh out loud). The Welsh translation that is used by my friends and I (native Welsh speakers) is "cayu" standing for "Chwerthin allan yn uchel" (which translates are laugh out loud). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gethiiiiiiin (talkcontribs) 20:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Further Analysis of Lulz[edit]

Lulz is used to describe the feeling of gratification that someone feels after they have intentionally caused another person emotional harm from a prank, cyberbullying, or any action that has put that person down in anyway. Unfortunately this term has caused much turmoil on the Internet and in reality. And in response to this turmoil many adolescents respond with the common phrase that they “did it for the lulz.”

Lulz is often seen on the internet, but it is also seen in real life. For example, a sixteen year old boy made an announcement in a Wal-Mart in New Jersey stating that all “black people should leave.”[1] Later on people excused this boy stating that he just “did it for the lulz.” This term excuses people for performing actions that are looked down upon in society because it was done for the “lulz.”

Lulz is most often seen on the Internet, such as with websites as Encyclopedia Dramatica, and of course any other cites that allow wall posts, which allow trolls to respond to. Trolls are people who purposefully harass people on the Internet and they often do it for the lulz. According to a New York Times article about Internet trolling, "lulz means the joy of disrupting another's emotional equilibrium.”[2] Lulz is directly related to cyberbullying on the Internet and these trolls cyberbully others in order to feel the lulz.

The necessity for lulz is a psychological tendency of people who enjoy seeing other’s pain and discomfort. In order to curb this appetite many people who crave lulz use the Internet as a way to do this. Lulz has ruined many adolescents’ lives such as with a young girl named Alexis who committed suicide because of many mean comments that were on her formspring.me.[3] Another example is about a girl named Megan Meier who had also committed suicide. The troll was the “mother of Megan’s former friend, [who] created a false identity to correspond with and gain information about Megan, which she would later use to humiliate Megan for spreading rumors about her daughter.”[4] In this case the mother of Megan’s former friend is the troll who is “doing it for the lulz” in order to feel a sense of gratification or revenge at the pain of her daughter’s former friend.

A lot of research has been performed on the topic of cyberbullying in order to measure the scope of this problem. Anonymous tests were given to a group of teenagers and the results showed that of the people who were cyberbullied 72% were bullied by people they had met online.[5] The majority of victims were being cyberbullied by people they did not know which shows that they were “doing it just for the lulz.” Shanaschreibs (talk) 20:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

How the hell is 'bfn' and 'imho' popular, as stated by the article?? I have never seen anyone used bfn, and imho only once. As a gamer's name 5 years ago. x.x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.74.99.70 (talk) 07:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I see 'imho' (or its variant 'imo') probably daily and multiple times per day in various political, religious, and other controversial forum, chat room, and Facebook discussions. It is quite popular though its users are rarely "humble." 63.72.210.122 (talk) 17:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Lewis Carrol used LOL yet[edit]

Hello wiki, I'm an italian user (sorry for my bad english) and I want to present you a fact. Yesterday I was reading Through the Looking-Glass (chapter IX exactly..) and when I read the following sentence i wonder: "It'll never do for you to be lolling about on the grass like that! Queens have to be dignified, you know!"

So, Lewis Carroll had used in 1871, the verb TO LOL. Then LOL isn't a slang word born on the Internet.

Feedback? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbarbaglia (talkcontribs) 06:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Interesting observation, but [sadly] a totally different meaning and not an acronym in the context you refer to. According to Chambers dictionary "loll" is an English colloquialism originating in the 14th century that means to "laze" hence lolling is literally lazing around. Dainamo (talk) 11:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Donutball, 5 September 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} It should list Korea under the way other countries "LOL". On Korean forums it is common to see ㅋㅋㅋ (kkk/kekeke) or 하하하 (hahaha) to simulate laughter on the internet. Donutball (talk) 14:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Can you provide a refernce to a reliable source? —Mikemoral♪♫ 19:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
It has since been added by another user. The Leet article cites this to "The Computer Hope dictionary", but there's no online version of this. Soap 12:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.175.128.139, 5 October 2010[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} When referencing Laccetti and ***Molsk***, please change to Laccetti and ***Molski*** - changed word set off by ***. there is a typo in the by line of the Atlanta Journal Constitution article. The end of the article summary of the authors has it correct. Silvio Laccetti and Scott Molski are the authors. I know them. The footnote also has it as Molsk, should be Molski.

71.175.128.139 (talk) 02:29, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Done The quickest of Google searches confirms the typo. User:Uncle_G has corrected it. Regards. Fribbler (talk) 11:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


Lole : The best variation ever made of the word 'LOL' Discovered by Marina Hobday ;) x —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.49.242 (talk) 20:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

jajaja[edit]

{{Edit semi-protected}} Please change ***jajaja: in Spanish, "j" is pronounced as "h"; together with "a", it forms "hahaha".*** to ***jajaja: in Spanish, has the same meaning as "hahaha".***

I can't edit the article, but in "jajaja", "j" doesn't sound like "h". The phonetic sound is [x]. Is completly different and this is the way spanish say it. Of course the meaning is like "hahaha", but never the sound. Could anyone change it? Thx

Tiparega (talk) 18:17, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Kind of. I just took out the "sounds like" part without adding the "same meaning" part because if it didn't have the same meaning it would not be appropriate for this article. -Atmoz (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


Hi, the article once again says "in Spanish, the letter "j" is pronounced "h" ". This is not true, according to Wikipedia itself:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcripci%C3%B3n_fon%C3%A9tica_del_espa%C3%B1ol_con_el_AFI

Also, it gives a "reference", #45, to some "SpanishDict" which clearly is not using IPA notation.

Thanks! 190.135.170.233 (talk) 02:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm assuming you don't understand Spanish, heh. Please note that it was talking about IPA (NOT the actual letters). Even in English the symbol [j] represents the sound 'i' or 'y' (like in the word 'yarn' which has the IPA [jɑːn]). Please note the given example words in the notes:
  • hierro (IPA: [ˈje̞ro], approximate English pronunciation 'Yero'
  • paranoia ([pa̠ɾa̠ˈno̞ja], approximate English pronunciation 'Paranoya'
  • meiosis([me̞ˈjo̞sis], approximate English pronunciation 'Meyosis'
None of them contain the letter J. Common examples of J in Spanish which you have come across: Javier as 'Habiyer', Jose as 'Ho-seh', Jesus as 'He-soos', etc. Please note that depending on the dialect and the word it may be a 'soft' H (like the English H), but it is usually a hard H (almost like the KH sound in the Scottish word 'Loch'). The IPA for these sound in Spanish is [x] or [χ]. I suggest you listen to the Ejemplos (Examples) section.-- Obsidin Soul 05:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


I'm "190.135.170.233" again. I DO speak Spanish, it's my mother tongue. I was born, and I live, in Latin America. And believe me, "j" doesn't sound like "h". In Spanish, "h" doesn't sound at all. Maybe you're trying to say " 'j' sounds like 'h' in English", which is not the same. Even then, taking into account the different pronunciations in different countries/states/etc., I would suggest the utilization of a standardized notation (i.e., IPA). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.171.139 (talk) 22:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah apologies for the misunderstanding. I thought you meant the entry for /j/ in the table itself (which is actually referring to the 'y' sound). And yes I agree, 'j' in most Spanish dialects do not sound like the English 'h', it is however the closest equivalent. In this case, however, it is meant to sound like the English 'h' (a bit hard to say /xɑxɑxɑ/ heh), so yes IPA might be the best way to go. BTW, I encourage you to create an account for edits like this.-- Obsidin Soul 02:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

LOL is on simple.wikipedia[edit]

for whatever reason, the page is protected so, someone care to add the "simple english" link under languages? (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lol) Divinity76 (talk) 19:21, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


.. and minutes after ^, the protection policy changed... added.

Edit request from Robloxguy587, 11 November 2010[edit]

<small> {{edit semi-protected}}</small> plz lemme edit xD ok thx bai :P omg ur font is liak totaly screwd..omg my mom ish calin meh 4 diner ok bai...


Robloxguy587 (talk) 01:53, 11 November 2010 (UTC)oh shit........ No, might have to make some constructive edits first The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 01:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

LMAO, ROFL and ROFLMAO[edit]

LMAO stands for: "laugh my ass off"; While ROFL stands for: "rolling on floor laughing". The two together are ROFLMAO; which means: "Rolling on floor laughing my ass off". These terms were coined in the late 1980s by a small group of public BBS Chat Room participants and IRC participants at a multi-line chat service known as Bullicom BBS. Today this BBS is long past but the legacy it created lives in popular culture in many commonly known popular terms.
Among those who are believed to have coined the phrase were BBS Subscribers known as "Shadow, Goldie, Pres, and other regular frequenters of the Bullicom chat rooms. Shadow (Stacy Green of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.) is believed by those present to have originally coined the terms LMAO and ROFLMAO in March of 1987 as part of a discussion thread on a local dial-up BBS known as "Phantom Zone". A few months later, during a multi-line chat room discussion with others; LOL, BRB, and TTYL became commonly used terms. StacyGRN (talk) 06:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia requires verifiabiity for materials in its articles. Does any WP:RS describe the origins of these terms as you describe them? In any case, welcome to Wikipedia and I hope you will find many interesting things here to edit. betsythedevine (talk) 16:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
o) Thank you very much for the welcome. I'm delighted and even fascinated to be a part of Wikipedia.

I agree that all information should be credible and verifiable. Which is why I posted this information here instead of in the articles themselves. The challenge with "verifiable" is that there is no clear line between hearsay and fact when considering recent history. By saying it has to be published elsewhere before it has value on Wikipedia is obviously a good policy, but what about new information? Should If I say "I know - because I was there."; to me, and everyone else that was there - it is credible, true - and ... well... "Fact". But (and I realize this is obvious) that doesn't make it "fact" to anyone else. At the same time; a lack of published substantiation does not (at all) relieve the facts from existing.

The problem with this logic can be related in this way... "Did the tree make a sound even though no one heard it fall?" Quite honestly, by definition: "no" - it may not have made a sound, because sound can be defined as something which has been heard. In fact - the tree "most likely" did make sound waves as part of its journey to the ground - but because no one heard it - we cannot say that it did. Or at least - that is one potential pitfalls wikipedia obviously faces.

Ok so there you have it... we know that LMAO, ROFL and ROFLMAO exist because we typically use them in the same manner, and for the same purpose. But if we are going to write an article, or include statements of "FACT" on the history of the terms - then to do credibility justice - how can we ignore the actual creation or reason it was created in a particular context? I don't mean to claim "First dibs" on the terms at all. In truth - I am simply saying - I know where it may have originated in this particular context... can anyone recall it being created before - or in other locations? This would be vetting out more credible information - and to my knowledge, that is exactly what WikiPedia exists to do.

Enough of my banter... My intention here is to offer information, nothing more. I could have several signed legal and sworn oaths which could substantiate the claims of origin of those terms. And I will happily provide them if it is deemed necessary. But by "necessary" I mean "If it matters to the purpose of the article". It would seem to me - that every encyclopedia, dictionary, thesaurus and other reference media - try to determine the origin of words and ideas based on understood historical fact that "may" be credible. Many dictionaries say "May have originated from..." In which case - it would seem a logical practice here as well.

I believe I have credible facts to contribute. Is it worth contributing? Is it worth pursuing? Does it even matter "why" we use these terms if we aren't going to compare that to why they existed in the first place?  :o) These are thoughts and questions on the matter... I have no desire to pose this as a challenge or otherwise. I simply want to contribute where I am able and credible in doing so. StacyGRN (talk) 22:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Thai Variation[edit]

I'm not sure how can this work on citation but you can check this article Thai numerals that contain Reliable sorce of number 5 pronouncing in RTGS that is ha and 555 is hahaha.If you agree with. I don't want you use Citation needed anymore here is a part of that article that contain reliable

Number Thai Khmer Cantonese Minnan
Numeral Written RTGS Archaic
0 ศูนย์ sun (Sanskrit śūnya) 零 (ling4) 空 (khong3)
1 หนึ่ง nueng อ้าย (âai) 一 (yat1) 一 (it4)
2 สอง song ยี่ (yîi) 二 (yi2) [雙 (seung1) = pair] 二 (ji7) [雙 (song1, lit.)]
3 สาม sam สาม (sǎam) 三 (saam1) 三 (sam1, lit.)
4 สี่ si ไส (săi) 四 (sei3) 四 (si3)
5 ห้า ha งั่ว (ngûa) 五 (ng5) 五 (go.7)
6 หก hok ลก (lók) 六 (luk6) 六 (liok8, lit.)
7 เจ็ด chet เจ็ด (jèd) 七 (chat1) 七 (chit4)
8 แปด paet แปด (pàed) 八 (baat3) 八 (pat4, lit.)
9 เก้า kao เจา (jao) 九 (gau2) 九 (kau2)
10 ๑๐ สิบ sip จ๋ง (jǒng) ១០ 十 (sap6) 十 (tzhap2)

--223.207.4.182 (talk) 17:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Link07, 20 December 2010[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} the page rotfl is for LOL not rotfl, this needs to be fixed :P

Link07 (talk) 00:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Already done The pages ROTFL and rotfl do redirect here, you're right. On the other hand, the LOL page talks about lol and rotfl together. Because of that, readers will be able to find both and think "Oh I see what you did there". --Whitehorse1 01:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

lmfao and lmao[edit]

you should add lmfao and lmao to the article--97.100.146.210 (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

  • You should find sources that discuss them. Uncle G (talk) 04:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

lol = lots of love[edit]

Where have you guys been? lol meaning lots of love gets used 10 times as much as laugh out loud —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.249 (talk) 09:13, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

That meaning is one of the first mentioned on the disambiguation page: LOL_(disambiguation) If you have notable, verifiable material from reliable sources about the other meaning, you could try adding it to this article as a separate section. betsythedevine (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Modern usage example: LOL on a candy heart.
The heart image at the top of the page is much more like to be about love than laughs. So it is commercial usage aimed at young people. --Rumping (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree concerning the candy heart, LOL has been a common accronym for "Lots of Love" in (traditional, snail-mail) love letters for atleast a century, if not more!! I suggest you delete or replace the image! (or at least change the text) Maakelm (talk) 00:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I really really don't understand why people keep insisting on the 'lots of love' usage. Yes, it's been one of the previous meanings pre-internet. It's not anymore. Candy hearts are known as 'conversation hearts', not because they carry outdated romantic acronyms, but because they carry short modern messages you get from young people, usually things you'd be more likely to hear in instant messaging. That includes acronyms like 'LOL', 'BFF', 'WOOT', 'UR A 10', O HAI, 'Tweet me', 'Email me', and yes, even ROTFL.
I don't mean to be ageist, but no young person would ever interpret LOL as 'lots of love'. This article is undoubtedly about LOL for the meaning 'Laugh out Loud', and not about 'lots of love', and the LOL on that candy heart means LOL in the modern usage. I doubt someone took a picture of a decades old candy.-- Obsidin Soul 06:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Have to agree with above, nobody and I mean NOBODY I know under the age of 40 interprets LOL as 'lots of love'. So yes, I'd say that unless that candy is about 20 years old or something like that, I'm still convinced it's using the term of laugh out loud. - Another n00b (talk) 22:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

LOL has meant something else[edit]

LOL has always stood for something other than Lots of Love or Laughing Out Loud. 50 years ago and since in medical school it was always Little Ol' Lady, many of whom we would see in the clinic. 24 January, 2011 JRS

Jejemon[edit]

I think jejeje should be mentioned in this page as well. jejejejejejejejeje... Simoncpu (talk) 08:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request[edit]

I'd like to include the fact that the Oxford English Dictionary recently approved 'lol' as an entry. I have both a source from CNN online and the OED itself.

Symbol question.svg Question: Could you add them (the source info) below this message?--Breawycker (talk to me!) Review Me! 22:13, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I read about it at CNN 25 March 2011, and the new edition of the OED is for 24 March, 2011. You can read about it on their website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LugalbandaUruk (talkcontribs) 01:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done See here. The wording may do with a little tweaking though. And thanks for the suggestion. :) --ObsidinSoul 12:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Minor grammatical error[edit]

Can someone please take out the apostrophe in "1960's" under the "Acceptance" heading? The correct form is 1960s. Thanks. 115.70.166.194 (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Keith D (talk) 10:28, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 27.3.102.100, 9 April 2011[edit]

can i edit this page because i want to add what lmfao(laughing my fucking ass out) to the page because it redirects here but there is no mention of it

27.3.102.100 (talk) 10:06, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Baseball Watcher 20:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Minor grammatical error: Part 2[edit]

Similar to above... can someone please take out the apostrophe in "1980's" under the "Acceptance" heading? The correct form is 1980s. Thanks. Also: there is a mistake under "Acceptance" wherein a quote begins with double-quotation marks while its ending is marked by only one quotation mark (""" then "'"). Additionally, under "Variants of LOL" in the definition of "LOLOLOLOL", an apostrophe is used as a pluralising tool, as in "LOL's", where the correct form is "LOLs". The same error is made shortly after in the definition of "Lolocaust", using "LOL's" again as a plural of "LOL". Also, in the corresponding image, the description says ""Lolocaust" is often controversially illustrated with four LOL arranged to resemble a swastika", should that say "four LOLs"?115.70.166.204 (talk) 05:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done You really should think of getting an account, heh. Once you're four days old and have made at least 10 edits, you can edit semiprotected pages like this. :) --ObsidinSoul 06:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Lolocaust[edit]

sigh. Just goes to show how it's controversial doesn't it? While I did say that it should be removed if deemed too offensive to be of educational value, and I have tried to word it as neutrally as possible, I still find the rationale of "Disgusting offensive images" questionable. Wikipedia is not censored (and yes, the image is offensive to me too). The original image for Lolocaust is even far more offensive (involved gas chambers), again try googling before implying fabrication. The entire article hinges on youth culture, most of which do not come from WP:RS by virtue of it being 'young'. As evident from the posts in this talk page, a lot of [older] people vehemently see the term and its variations as a form of language corruption (not recognizing that 'proper English' today is a far cry from what it was even just a century ago). Anyway, don't really care which way, so won't revert. The addition was by User:Iamrockyroad which I merely attempted to refine and source. Being young enough, I do know that those words are used more often than people here seem to believe. --ObsidinSoul 17:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

My apologies for the overheated edit summary. I certainly did not mean to accuse you of fabrication or to doubt that the word appears in Urban Dictionary and elsewhere--although not, apparently, in WP:RS.
I agree that Wikipedia is not censored, of course. On the other hand, to quote W:F***, "Wikipedia articles may contain offensive words and images, but only for a good reason." I don't see the good reason to add an offensive word, with no WP:RS support, to the list of variants in this article. That list probably ought to be trimmed rather than expanded.
Also, even if the word "lolocaust" were an appropriate addition to the list of variants, nobody needs to see an offensive image in order to figure out what a swastika made out of LOLs would look like.
It would be great if somebody would edit this article (and also Internet slang) to remove some of the tiresome POV moralizing about not using internet slang in formal writing. That stuff is completely coatrack to these articles, though it has been in here forever. It's like including a long section on death by drowning in an article on bottled water. betsythedevine (talk) 22:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Fair point, and yep, W:F***. Hence my warning in my previous edit summary. I just felt a bit defensive since I was the one who uploaded the pic and expanded the addition (I am not anti-semitic in any way whatsoever, heh). Anyway, no more objections from here, heh. As for the article text, yep. The problem is that a lot of the sources come from editorials lamenting the 'decline' of youth literacy because of the spread of initialisms and netspeak. Most of everything that don't agree with this viewpoint are bound to come from non-WP:RS sources. Can't be helped, I guess, though technically, it does violate WP:DUE. Too busy to fix it myself though.--ObsidinSoul 04:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I didn't realize you made that graphic yourself, but I absolutely believe you had gf motivation so don't imagine I think less of you for turning your graphic skills to the service of Wikipedia. I once Photoshopped a sign with a troll at play on Wikipedia, which I hope nobody thinks means that I love trolls! [7] All best wishes and thanks for your understanding, Betsy betsythedevine (talk) 04:18, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Haha, but how could you not love that hair? :P Anyway, all good and cheers. --ObsidinSoul 04:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


Requesting fix for Arabic "هاها"[edit]

"هاها" is incorrect as Arabic Internet slang. The only reference it gives where this is mentioned just uses a quote from this Wikipedia article claiming the same thing. More commonly, Arabic users will write "ههههه" (which is "ه" repeating). "ه" is equivalent to the letter "H", while the "a" is treated as an implied short vowel, and isn't written (as is standard in Arabic and Hebrew). "هاهاها" uses a long "a" sound, and would be pronounced "haa haa haa". 109.189.97.216 (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

yellow tickY Half done
Hm. That's 520,000 results for هاها versus 24,100,000 (predominantly Arabic) results for ههههه.
I have changed it, but I have two questions:
  1. I don't speak Arabic so it's hard finding a reference for the word. Could you please provide one?
  2. Is it possible that the two are used or is هاها not used at all? (Also if you know how people write LOL in عربي and can reference it, that would be awesome)
Thanks in advance --ObsidinSoul 01:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't have any sources at hand. However, as far as personal experience goes, "هاها" does get a lot of usage, albeit it's not as commonly associated with Internet slang or "chatspeak" as "هههه" strung together. Personally I'd say "هاهاها" feels forced and formal, in a way, much like writing "Ha, Ha, Ha!" instead of "hahaha" in an English chat would be. For others, it might simply be a "bigger laugh", or a way to serve as a sort of disambiguation when writing a "short laugh": هه ("hh") isn't as clear as هاها ("haha").
As for "LOL", usually people will either write "لول" (L-U-L) or simply use the Latin-script "LOL". This is mentioned in the article, but "لول" links to a deleted Wiktionary article, so it's not sourced. 109.189.97.216 (talk) 08:23, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I should also mention that "hhhhhhh" is common when an Arabic font is unavailable. Also note that the Arabic Wikipedia has an article on لول, but it only lists English sources.
Though it's not exactly a credible source, you could find examples of all of these expressions on Arabic YouTube videos. 109.189.97.216 (talk) 08:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 87.221.105.217, 24 May 2011[edit]

the picture of this definition not is a candy, is a drug...

87.221.105.217 (talk) 00:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Already done You probably just saw some temporary vandalism, which has already been corrected. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Inaccuracies on the explanation of the Korean ㅋ, 하, and 호[edit]

The article currently implies 하 is a louder laughter than ㅋ, when in fact the former is really just a more formal (as in used in literature formal) onomatopoeia, while the latter is a term evolved with the advent of the internet (analogous to LOL). Also, 호 is a more feminine form of 하. Lastly, as is the case with most Korean onomatopoeia, 하 and 호 are formally used only in pairs (eg 하하, and 호호), at times lengthened and used in more than 2 characters at a time for emphasis. The first claim may be verified using this link, which is to an open dictionary. http://kin.naver.com/openkr/detail.nhn?state=R&docId=2632 Although I could not find a more reliable external reference for my first claim, this link to a more traditional dictionary should suffice for the other 2 claims. http://krdic.naver.com/detail.nhn?docid=42730400 Jkih0021 (talk) 12:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

It might be better if you edit the entry yourself and provide the references (after you have been autoconfirmed) or provide us with the exact wording of the changes you wish made. Any mistakes on formatting and whatnot can be fixed easily enough. Offline sources are acceptable on good faith. It's just that not a lot of us here speak or read Korean (I don't, so can't help, sorry).-- ObsidinSoul 13:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Greymolly, 4 August 2011[edit]

Under "Variants," item "trololol," the word portmanteu should be spelled portmanteau.

Greymolly (talk) 18:34, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done-- Obsidin Soul 18:38, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

lol can be used differently[edit]

LOL--- laugh out loud, laughing out loud, also, LOTS OF LAUGH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.1.242.83 (talk) 14:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


LOL kan også bety Lyt og lær — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oysteinsol (talkcontribs) 18:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


LMFAO redirect[edit]

So no Wiki gimp's ever thought: "Oh, there's no way of getting to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMFAO_%28band%29 page - neither on the links at the top of the LOL article and not on a disambiguation page... typical Internet meme obsessed geek losers. Jesus Christ. And no I don't give a shit about LMFAO but it shows the intelligence of the morons that waste their lives policing wikipedia pages... 86.150.112.102 (talk) 23:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Nice way to say "Please make the band I'm obsessed over more visible!" -- Obsidin Soul 07:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

LOL[edit]

In-game language where it bassically started means Lots of laughs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francobr9 (talkcontribs) 20:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

lol[edit]

lol is a great word! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.132.248 (talk) 18:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Sweetheart candy: isn't it saying "Lots of Love" ?[edit]

The caption for the Sweethearts candy says it stands for "Laughing out loud". But in the context of a heart-shaped candy of a type often given for Valentine's Day, isn't LOL much more likely to stand for "Lots of love"?

It would help to have a picture that better supports the "Laugh(ing) out loud" meaning. Any ideas?

This has been explained again and again. Modern sweethearts candies features IM messages. This is more obvious when you realize that Sweethearts candies also feature other initialisms related to LOL that are unambiguously about laughing, including 'ROFL' and smiley faces. No modern IM messages that I know of use LOL for "Lots of Love". In fact, I don't know of any instances of anyone in this century who will interpret LOL as "Lots of Love".-- Obsidin Soul 19:35, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


I understand the smiley, and I'd think lots of love make sense in the context of valentine's day candy, but "ROFL"? I think that's a bit out there trying to be "hip" and whatnot. I'd think laughing at someone via heart-shaped candy is more a mockery than anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.78.167 (talk) 16:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

LOL Salaam[edit]

Kindly include the new term 'LOL Salaam' mentioned by Mrittunjoy Guha Majumdar in his Youth-Ki-Awaaz article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrittunjoyGM (talkcontribs) 07:13, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

lol = lots of laughs[edit]

lol also means lots of laughs put that in the article too please --Pikachu896 (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

BWL[edit]

There is an assertion in the lead that "BWL" is used to express "Bursting with laughter." The citation is for a "For Dummies"-type Windows XP manual: http://www.amazon.com/little-PC-Book-Windows-XP/dp/0201754703. Is there a better source than a 10-year-old handbook dealing with an obsolete OS? "BWL" is definitely not one of the ubiquitous internet acronyms. Perhaps it was once common in a niche group, but I suspect that it was created by the author of that manual, lol (hah! I didn't even do that on purpose!). Its juxtaposition with the still-widely-used "LOL" and "LMAO" and "ROFL" in the lead is kind of jarring. I propose removal or relocation (down to 4.1:Variants of LOL maybe, though I think even that is overly generous). 184.38.76.247 (talk) 06:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

LOL[edit]

LOL came from Yahoo. In the very first chat rooms it was used because of the keyboard typing in lol was easier than typing in haha. The whole idea was to shorten words. Today people believe it stands for laugh out loud, but in it's beginning it was "Laugh On Line" it was a short cut in words and a way to talk on line. brb was another one that came from yahoo chat, meaning "be right back". Also it did not matter how you typed it in, meaning using caps or not. Some people used caps all the time for every word some didn't. 76.7.204.21 (talk) 13:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipidea lol[edit]

what a great word 88.104.132.252 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Hoax?[edit]

"lshidmt: Laughing so hard I drop my taco" looks like a hoax to me. I've never seen this used and can't find a reference for it. --Twyndylyng (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: It's flagged as needing a citation and it is easily googled. Celestra (talk) 23:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect Caption[edit]

Actually, the LOL on the candy stands for "lots of love"-- one of the variations of "LOL" listed-- and not "laugh out loud" which would simply be cruel in the context of a Valentine's Day candy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.78.167 (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: Needless punctuation in the Acceptance section[edit]

The second (one-line) paragraph of the section titled Acceptance has a full stop and a comma before the references. The comma should be removed. --147.188.195.142 (talk) 20:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Done Thanks for reporting the problem, I have removed the comma. Keith D (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

problem the responsible[edit]

advanced . to recent changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.166.148.65 (talk) 00:50, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

lolgate[edit]

UK premier David Cameron is being mocked for thinking LOL meant 'lots of love'. Back in the day 1990s that was one of the meanings. And many early adopters like myself wanted it to mean lots of love and still refuse to use it to mean laugh out loud to this day. The first time I was exposed to it, I was told it meant lots of laughs. The reason we wanted it to be lots of love was because we felt it devalued emoticons like :-D. If one was to look at the Netlingo books published in the 1990s one can see it was allowable to use either 'laugh out loud' or 'lots of laughs'. This dictionary is online also, at the definitions are the same [8]. This should be reflected in the article as the Noobs who wrote this article don't own the Internet, they should learn their history! --Jonathan Bishop (talk) 16:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Wrong Caption[edit]

UGH I'm too lazy to remember my login so can somebody fix the error. LOL on a heart means "lots of LOVE" not "LAUGH OUT LOUD." I mean, really, that would make no fuckin' sense!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.238.87 (talk) 06:11, 12 May 2012‎

Yes check.svg Done - oh duh, of course it means lots of love. I can't believe I missed that all the times before this when I read the article. - M0rphzone (talk) 07:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

PMSL[edit]

PMSL (Pissed/Peed MySelf Laughing) should be added as a variant. It is very commonly used (at least in UK) as an intensified form of LOL (akin to ROFL), — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frweatherby (talkcontribs) 17:05, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

LOL and irony punctuation[edit]

LOL often serves in messaging - for example in Facebook posts - to indicate irony in a statement. For example "Hope you had a good time at the Dentists. LOL" There should be a cross reference to the article on Irony Punctuation.

Frweatherby (talk) 6th August 2012

"lots of love" - the source of amusement and ridicule[edit]

The (mis)undstanding that LOL can mean "lots of love" is now considered a reason for ridicule. During the Leveson Inquiry in the UK in May 2012 it became known that British Prime Minister, David Cameron, frequently sent text messages to Rebekah Brooks of News International, ending them LOL, believing this to mean "Lots of Love", until Ms Brookes informed him of his error. This revelation was the source of much amusement and ridicule: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/11/cameron-and-brooks-start-_n_1508817.html?1336739282&ref=uk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frweatherby (talkcontribs) 17:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

morse code is wrong[edit]

In "Pre-dating the Internet and phone texting by a century, the way to express laughter in morse code is 'hi hi'. The sound of this in morse, 'di-di-di-dit di-dit, di-di-di-dit di-dit', is thought to represent chuckling" it should be "dit-dit-dit-dit dit-dit, dit-dit-dit-dit dit-dit" (which is what both cited sources say, too). The current version looks like the morse code ...- .- (VA VA), not .... .. (HI HI). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.203.117.235 (talk) 05:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 February 2013[edit]

It says that LOL is an abbreviation when it should say its an acronym CMTrago (talk) 00:51, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

It's so glaring, I suspect it's been changed and reverted before, for some reason. Cheers, and welcome. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 February 2013[edit]

In the section "Variants of LOL," I would like to suggest that you add "CTM" or "Chuckle to Myself." This has become a popular alternative for people who aren't convinced a joke is quite "lol" worthy, but still wish to express pleasure at what has been said or posted.

CTM is now on Urban Dictionary, as meaning "chuckle to myself," so it would be appropriate for Wikipedia to also reflect this new development in the English slang. Eringillett (talk) 21:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but we'd need a source that says CTM is widely used, and not only common in the particular circles you frequent. Urban Dictionary is editable by anyone and lacks editorial control, and is essentially a humor site, so we can't use that as a reference. Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 11:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Perspective somewhat outdated[edit]

Not that I expect this to start a landslide of changes to the article, but it should be noted that a significant amount of the perspective throughout this article is now rather outdated. Many of the references are from 2001-2004, and a huge amount has changed in internet culture and its permeation into offline culture in the last 5 years, never mind the last decade. Numerous sections talk about 'lol' as though it were (still is) some kind of strange young people's trend, obscure and a pernicious blight on the English language. Others take the use of such terms rather stiffly and too seriously (as though it would not be rather obvious not to use internet slang in job applications and interviews - the same goes for any other kind of slang or less than 'professional' sounding vocabulary).

The article is also lacking mention of the various uses of 'lol'. It is rarely, in my experience, used as a literal communication that the speaker is 'laughing out loud'; rather, it is mostly (in my personal experience) used as a kind of interjection, to express humour, enjoyment or entertainment. As mentioned above, those wishing to express literal laughing out loud are more likely to use "LOL" or "lol!" to distinguish such an emphatic form, and even these forms do not necessarily mean literal laughter. I've experienced on dozens of occasions people saying "I am literally lolling in real life" or "actually lolling" for the purpose of making this very distinction. It is my personal experience and belief that the vast majority (perhaps ~99%) of all lolling online is not expressing actual audible laughter, and I've heard this same opinion expressed by many others. Lol is also often used in a number of other ways, including to express uncertainty ("lol..." or "lol?", closer in meaning to "huh?" or "what?"). Wiktionary also documents its use as an interjection that "denotes light-heartedness or that the thing just said was not intended as serious" - far from a literal expression of laughter.

Overall, the article seems to discuss 'lol' at arm's length, as though it were some kind of strange fad, used by an obscure clique of internet users. Perhaps at the time of writing, it was; but over the course of the last decade, it has become far more ubiquitous and widely used and accepted in mainstream culture. The article also features some outdated pieces and a little too much rigidity in places. Finally, 'lul' is not necessarily a *phonetic* spelling of 'lol' (only in some accents), and 'lolz' is not really an occasional form, so much as a common variant, which has also been documented (eg. in its Wiktionary entry) as often being used sarcastically. 'PMSL' (also in Wiktionary) might also want to be added to the list of similar terms.

It's not an ideal world. But, in an ideal world, the article should really be updated to reflect these developments. -- 146.90.169.236 (talk) 09:34, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

LOL (lol) Means "Laughing out loud" or "Laugh out loud".

By Popcorn0987654321.. Thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popcorn0987654321 (talkcontribs) 08:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 October 2013[edit]

Hiimaloladdict (talk) 21:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)actually it means League of Legends. You know the game created by the scrubs at riot.

That's another usage of the acronym "LOL", but is not what this article is about. League of Legends is linked from the disambiguation page linked at the top of this article. Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 02:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Is LOL really laugh out loud, lots of laugh or sth.?[edit]

I am not sure but it seems like some said it is not how it begins, idk lol. --14.198.220.253 (talk) 14:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Please clarify what this has to do with the article. If you are proposing a change or addition, please be more clear about how you want to change it. Who are the "some" who "said" this, and what does "how it begins" refer to? What is so amusing about the question that you are laughing out loud about it? Please also note that there are many, many previous discussions about this issue above, and it might be worth your while to look at those before restarting the same discussion again - unless you have sources that aren't already presented. That would be excellent, of course. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 15:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
What's with your reading skill or you didn't read the article? If "laugh out loud" and "lots of laugh" are not the origin of LOL, then the article doesn't have to be changed? Your changes look disruptive to me.--14.198.220.253 (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

I think this article should also include how lol can be an acroynym for league of legends, since that if you type lol into google, it shows league of legends before it shows this.[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.185.71 (talkcontribs)

The article on League of Legends is getting many more views than this one (stats) so I've mentioned it in the disambiguation hatnote at the top of the article. Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 21:07, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2014[edit]

lwkmd is the Nigerian equivalent of lol. This initialism stands for 'laugh wan kill me die', Nigerian pidgin for 'I am dying of laughter'. K.Ekerete (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 01:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014[edit]

it is fake People2324 (talk) 03:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2014[edit]

Add to variants: LÖL, dubbed the umlaugh, used to indicate ironic or satirical laughter. 2602:306:3BE3:D050:6991:5D36:D80A:1E61 (talk) 21:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mz7 (talk) 22:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2014[edit]

ok guys who thought of lawl? cuz i know it stands for laughing all week long... cuz i typed it and i want to know who else has typed it... tell the truth. XD i am a lawl master... ROLF.72.21.68.83 (talk) 15:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)–—°′″≈≠≤≥±×−÷←→·§XD72.21.68.83 (talk) 15:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

ololllololololol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshuaruleslolol (talkcontribs) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2015[edit]

Change it to Trololol (and more lol's). 108.66.235.79 (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done. Amortias (T)(C) 22:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

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