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Review: July 8, 2013. ( ).
Introduction and History
- Replace the information originating in Daniel Weiss's Inaugural Address — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dumaisj59 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
- Initial charter was for Military and Civil Engineering
- Financial Solvency - Presbyterian ties for monetary gain?
- Charter explicitly stated no exclusion based on religion
- Six years after the charter, Rev Junkin - Manual Labor instead of Military/Civil Engineering
- After seven years, abandoned this and moved to raising silkworms
- Next experiment was a Model school, but no education students matriculated
- 1863 - Enrollment dropped to 50 (Civil War)
- Catell becomes president, Pardee donates $$, Pardee Hall, v1.0 erected - School of Engineering?
- 1879 - Pardee Hall burns.
- ~18 months later, Pardee Hall v2.0 erected, President Hayes present for dedication
- 1897, Pardee Hall burns again, this time Arson
- Pardee Hall v3.0 erected in ?
- Lafayette Censured for academic freedom while Warfield (sp?) president
- McCracken (sp?) replaced Warfield in 1915 and re-organized the college
- Fraternities Emerge
- Major/Minor system
- International Students
- College Publications (The Lafayette)
- Calculus Required
- Cremation Plays?
- 1889 First Junior Hop (Dance)
- 1890 First Fraternity Dance
- 1900 First indoor plumbing, steam heat, electric light in dorms
- WWI - Drilling on campus
- WWII - Drilling on campus again
- 89 men lost during the war
- After WWII, 2 Tuskegee Airmen, first black students in over a century
- Lafayette College President rejects the Sun Bowl due to racial prejudice
- 1948 Civil Rights rally
- 1949 - Nishiyama - Kamikaze pilot, scholarship
- 1954 - First full-time female professor
- 1970 - First female students
- 1971 - First (full-time?) black professor
- 1983 - Willams Center
- 2001(?) - Visual Arts
- 2000 - Kirby Sports
Academics and Campus
Athletics and Student Life
Deletion of list of championships: This was deleted from the Athletics section, in order to keep pace with similar Wikipedia pages, like Bucknell's and Providence's pages. We are attempting to receive a 'Good Article' award, and using pages like those as examples. In addition, all of that information is available on the 'Lafayette Leopards' page. - ginamorrone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginamorrone (talk • contribs) 18:23, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
More precise captions on available images. Images with people in them. Cohesive language, better organization. More relevant sub-headings. More comprehensive student life representation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 19:58, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I'd just like to apologize for originally listing Alpha Phi Omega's founding at Lafayette College as being Lafayette University. Naraht 12:50, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Lafayette College Presidents
More pictures available
I'm a parent of a prospective student who took pictures of the beautiful Lafayette campus on a tour yesterday, and I uploaded them. Problem is, I don't know the names of buildings. I added some photos but please feel free to choose the best photos and order them accordingly on the Lafayette wikipage. I photographed many buildings and views although I didn't get to the Kirby Sports Center. I asked if I might take a picture of a student; unfortunately, an admissions person named Anne-Marie refused to let me take a picture of an actual student (reason: "we have to clear it with communications..." sheesh -- bureaucratic fear???). So this article still suffers from a perennial problem, namely, zombie-ism, like there's a school with no people in it which, perhaps, the marketing department of Lafayette will get wise to, and write something here (on this talk page) and I can help them get pictures of people uploaded to de-zombify the wikipage. Beautiful school overall. Here are photos which you may wish to consider adding. Check out the one with me climbing the ladder -- I'm such a daredevil, aren't I??? --Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Lafayette College/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
I will undertake this review. I will provide suggestions here for how to improve the article. My suggestions do not necessarily mean that the article is not GA quality, or that the issues listed are keeping it from GA approval. I also undertake minor grammatical and prose edits. After I finish this part of the review I will look at the over arching quality of the article in light of the GA criteria listed below. If I feel as though the article meets GA Standards I will promote it, if it does not then I will hold the article for a week pending work. I will watch this page and reply to questions regarding the review here. H1nkles (talk) citius altius fortius 15:13, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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- There seems to be a big jump from founding to WW1. Is there no more information about the college from 1857 until 1917?
- In the Degression sub-section you indicate a drastic change in enrollment...I assume this was a reduction in enrollment but it might be good to specify.
- In the Decade of Progress sub-section, "As the college moved out of the great depression, the college's new President, William Mather Lewis, began what it called..." Who called it the Decade of Progress? The sentence has two subjects.
- Again a big jump from 1970 (co-ed reform) to 2004 (recent history). Anything of note happen during that time? H1nkles (talk) citius altius fortius 16:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- I assume Lafayette competes in NCAA Division 1? I added it to the article given the later reference to the college's ranking amongst other NCAA schools for graduation rates. If this is incorrect please fix.
- Usually you want to put in-line citations at the end of a sentence rather than right in the middle as is the case one time in this section. Not a big deal it just helps with readability.
- I'm concerned with Engineers Without Borders sub-section. In my opinion it gives undue weight to one club at the exclusion of the rest of the campus clubs. Is there a reason this club is highlighted over the rest? Is there a reason this club should get an entry in the article while the others do not? I would suggest either eliminating this section or creating a "club" sub-section that would highlight several of the clubs (not all of course) and their philanthropic endeavors. H1nkles (talk) citius altius fortius 17:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
- A couple of the names have translations in parentheses and some do not, not sure why the discrepency and it certainly isn't enough to hold up GA but it might be good to take a look at it.
- The referencing in this section is a little odd to me, three entries are referenced but five are not, I think they should all have a reference.
- Refs 9, 23, and 24 are dead links and should be repaired.
- Overall I believe the article meets the GA criteria. The three issues that give me pause are:
- The gaps of information in the history section may violate section 3a.
- The emphasis on engineering aspects of the college vis a vis the "Engineers without Borders" club sub-section, which may violate criterion 1b for MOS compliance.
- The three dead links and the odd referencing in the "Notable alumni" section, which may fall short of criterion 2b in the referencing portion of the GA Criteria.
- That said in reading the GA Criteria I do not believe the gaps in information is sufficient enough to hold GA passage on comprehensive lines, I also do not believe that the article violates 1b since it does not specifically call out the undo-weight portion of the MOS. My reading of 2b is that in-article refs are required in specific circumstances and the "Notable alumni" section and the facts supported by the broken refs do not meet those circumstances.
- I will pass to GA with the hopes that the author will take the time to make the fixes recommended above. H1nkles (talk) citius altius fortius 18:03, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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