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Smith Center for the Performing Arts - Photos?[edit]

Ahoi :) Could someone of you share images at Wikimedia Commons of the Smith Center for the Performing Arts? It's still U/C in the 2010 pic to the right. I mean it turned out really imposing, check the photos at David M. Schwarz Architects! This is purely magnificent. Neo Art Deco. I'd be so thankful for some recent photos. Thanks and all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 11:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree Horst-schlaemma! As an important part of Las Vegas, some striking night photos of The Smith Center would be much appreciated and extremely helpful to the article. Bporter28 (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Sister cities - does Las Vegas still recognize them?[edit]

The section "Sister cities" states that Las Vegas' sister cities are designated by Sister Cities International. I just checked their web site, and the site doesn't list Las Vegas at all. This section has no other references except for Wikipedia itself -- which of course is not a valid reference. Should the section be removed? --Larry (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Lacking any reliable sources, I have removed this section. As near as I can tell, Las Vegas once was a part of Sisters Cities International, but no longer is a member. --Larry (talk) 20:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Larry! You have to be careful about using SCI's interactive guide. There were two other cities I attempted to research which turned up just like Las Vegas, but in actuality, they had several sister cities. I think there is a glitch in their software. Regardless, at the top of their page, there is a tab labeled "City Guide", which is an 84 page pdf. It's more time consuming, but usually more accurate. It does show that Las Vegas has no sister cities (Reno does, as does Fallon). Just an FYI. Onel5969 (talk) 22:39, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! That's definitely interesting. Fortunately, as you noted, they agree for Las Vegas. --Larry (talk) 23:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
hi there,you insisting to delete this section,but why don't you show any evidence who prove your claim? where says las vegas does not recognise that cities as sister cities from now on? do you have source? if you have not please don't remove my edittion because i put a source also.Find source and share it firstly before turn that to deleting fight. Here isn't a plase for feeding egos is it?--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 13:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
By the way discusing that before doesn't means you solve it.If Las Vegas is canceled participating in sister cities project then here must be some anouncements about it! If you insisting about your claim you should you must prove it. But you just saying "this is how i say" and deleting the edition of others. you can't do that and also its against wiki WP:NPOV.--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 13:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Please read above, the evidence is there. The source which is the standard for sister cities is Sister Cities International. They are the controlling organization. If they don't recognize that Las Vegas has sister cities, then guess what, Las Vegas doesn't have sister cities. This isn't about egos, it's about facts. Answer.com from who knows when is not a valid source. Onel5969 (talk) 13:57, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Onel5969 is correct. The source named above (Sister Cities International) shows that Las Vegas no longer has any sister cities. Answers.com is user editable, and therefore may not be used as a reliable source. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 15:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
No there is not any evidence, to say "i didn't see it" is not an evidence it's doesn't works like this. If Las Vegas is officially quit from sister cities project there must be an official announcement or press relase about it. do you have something like that? If you don't please find some one and then you can claim something more than "i didn't see it on web page"... --Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 09:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
making the page as "semi protected"! very ethical very academical and very smart behaviour,congratulations.Long live ego, who cares the neutral point of view and information...--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Not sure what your issue is. The evidence has been provided in the official list by Sister Cities, which has NONE for Las Vegas. This isn't rocket science. Onel5969 (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
As Onel5969 has said, proof has been provided. In any case, if you wish to have a statement included in the article, Wikipedia policy is that the burden is on you to provide proof. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Don't say who said what. just show a proof or your claim. othervise your argument is invalid. Actually i think you are not a kind which is deserves a conversation or any responses. But whatever.--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 08:24, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Montage[edit]

Okay Vegaswikian, Mark Miller, and Larry - I took the 6 pics out of those above which were of the city (I'd like to replace 2 of the aerial shots from the Stratosphere with other more specific photos, and will do so if you can suggest some. But here's the montage I came up with. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 22:27, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Las Vegas Montage 1
Las Vegas Montage
Las Vegas Montage Option 3
@Onel5969:, sorry it took so long to respond (in my defense, I got distracted trying to be a good citizen by attending to articles for deletion). With the caveat that I'm the last person you should ask about how things look, I think your montage is a definite improvement over the current lead image. Given the importance of the Stratosphere to the skyline, I think it's justifiable to include the picture with the airplane and the Strat. Thanks for all the hard work! --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 21:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
If you need a picture of the Strat, then

this, this or this would be better. There are many other choices. The picture with the airplane is really bad for it's perspective. It makes it look like the tower is next to the airport! It is not. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:06, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

@Traveling Man, Larry/Traveling Man: - lol. Not sure I can consider a single response a consensus... but I'm going to put the montage up, maybe that will generate some discussion! Onel5969 (talk) 22:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Yea, LOL. Two comments and one objection and that's consensus? Vegaswikian (talk) 16:45, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I'll swap out one of those other pic for the one with the airplane. Give me a day or so. Onel5969 (talk) 18:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm also going to move the picture here around if I can. It is really messing with the layout of the comments. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:29, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, @Bporter28:! I reverted your change to Las Vegas. Two of the six images were not of the city proper. Also, there's a very recent discussion about the main image on the talk page, beginning with section "Main Image", then continuing with this section ("Montage"). If you want to discuss this issue, it would be best to add your concerns here. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 04:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Larry/Traveling_Man! Thanks for the feedback. I was unaware of this conversation on the Talk Page. I am concerned about the new montage as many of the photos are virtually the same and do not actually SHOW the city, as many of the other collages for major cities on Wikipedia do. I have currently reverted to the original photo. I feel we should hold off on the montage until we can compile an appropriate montage which does more justice for the city and shows more of what the city is about and has to offer.(talk) 21:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


How do we feel about this one? User:Bporter28 (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC) (Montage moved up next to other montage)

I like some of the pics in the second montage, will switch them out with some in the first. By Thursday, I'll have a new montage (am working on a different project, sorry about the delay). Onel5969 (talk) 12:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good! I feel that the photo of downtown in the upper left hand corner of the first montage needs to be switched out, as that photo is several years old and the skyline has changed quite a bit since then. The image is also fairly low quality. I also feel that the plane should definitely be switched out as it doesn't really have anything to do with the city specifically. The World Market Center, Smith Center, Lou Ruvo Brain Center, and City Hall are all much more relevant and important to the article in question. If you're looking to replace the downtown photo, the panorama in the bottom of the second montage is a good substitute. User:Bporter28 (talk) 13:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

In the meantime Onel5969, I would really like to use the second montage as I think it shows more relevance to the article, and a variety of landmarks rather than just desert skyline. Thank you! On a side note, I think the second montage that we have is completely appropriate, showing both the city skyline, as well as the landmarks contained within, all with clear, high quality images. Nothing is redundant and the montage is appropriate to the article. All other major city montages on Wikipedia show the landmarks of the city, and this one shows those within the city proper of Las Vegas, not those within Paradise or Winchester. User:Bporter28 (talk) 14:18, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Onel5969, I would like to use the new montage above (Las Vegas Montage Option 3) for the city as I spent a great deal of time compiling it. The new montage shows great detail about what the city has to offer and deals only with the city proper. Each image is a Creative Commons license and/or my own work. This took nearly a month to put together. I feel the new montage would be beneficial to the city as each image is of high quality and the montage shows each building and district in great, clear detail- much more in line with Wikipedia standards. I would also like to include information about Las Vegas being a leader in the hospitality industry because it is. Thank you! User:Bporter28 (talk) 08:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it to the talk page, Bporter28. And thank you for all the effort you put into it. Personally, I like the other one you had up better, but am not adverse to making a change, that's just my personal preference, I think it's a bit busy, with the extra 3 pics. I'm letting other interested editors know about here: Vegaswikian, Mark Miller, and Larry. I would like to hear what they (and any others who read this, of course) have to say. Onel5969 (talk) 20:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response Onel5969! I appreciate your opinion. I think the extra photos do justice for the city as they show more of the city as a whole, rather than just three buildings and two skyline scenes. When I look at other major cities, such as New York City and Los Angeles, each has many different photos in their montage and I tried to do the same here for better quality standards. I tried to find photos in the new montage that showed greater clarity. The Smith Center, for example, now the entire building can be seen rather than just one portion of it. In addition, I was able to factor in city districts, such as Fremont East, Arts District, and the industrial district around Charleston that show more of Las Vegas city proper as whole, rather than just the Downtown Gaming area. Thanks again! I appreciate your help. As you can tell, I care a great deal about Las Vegas. Haha ! User:Bporter28 (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Vegaswikian, Mark Miller, Larry, Onel5969 I've looked at several other city pages on Wikipedia for quality assurance. Phoenix, Arizona, New York City, and Miami, among others each have montages which show an extensive variety of cityscapes and locations. Let me know what you guys think! I'd love some discussion. Thanks! User:Bporter28 (talk) 12:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

You're asking my advice on appearance? Groan. There's a reason I'm not an interior decorator ;-). Ok...well...here goes. I'm using a desktop monitor (24 inch) at 1920x1080 pixels. At that size/resolution, if I view the images full screen, I like the new montage [1] better. I like the images of some of the newer buildings, and the wider angle images of the city are big enough. However, if I view the montages as part of the article, I like the older image [2] better. It gives me a better feel of Las Vegas. The result: I hate to be wishy washy, but I don't have a strong opinion either way. I could be happy with either one. --21:54, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Hahaha Thanks for the feedback Larry! :) I'm glad you like it! I can also move the daytime skyline to the center if anyone prefers. I took a screenshot of what the montage looks like in the article, but I'm not sure how to upload it here. You can check it out in the revision history though! I'm glad you guys are good with the new one as well. I think it's better suited to the article, city, and quality standards in comparison to other Wikipedia city articles. The current one is rather plain. User:Bporter28 (talk) 14:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

I prefer option 3.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Mark Miller and thank you everyone for all of the kind remarks, help, and feedback! I'm going to go ahead and make the change as we are either for it and/or not opposed to making the change/happy with either one. If you guys have any additional comments, or if you would prefer the daytime skyline photo in the center as opposed to the nighttime shot of the industrial district, please don't hesitate to let me know as I can change the arrangement in the montage! Thanks again guys! User:Bporter28 (talk) 14:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Population estimates[edit]

I am curious as to why more recent U.S. Census population estimates are not shown in the article. Checking the edit history, I note that someone tried to add the 2012 estimates a while ago, but were reverted by someone else who said in their summary that only the 2010 census count should be in the infobox. Fair enough, I suppose, but I don't see any discussion of that here on the talk page or in the archive. The information I would add is the 2013 census estimate, which is 603,488, up from 583,756 at the 2010 census. Here's the source: [3]. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:05, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ken! It's a consensus among editors of city pages, and goes all across all pages regarding US Cities. The rationale was that estimates are simply guesses, and sometimes are pretty far off (for example, the estimates for Phoenix were way off prior to the 2010 census). The Vegas estimate is included in the "Historical Population" box in the Demographics section. Feel free to update it to 2013 there, and replace the citation. I hope this explains it. Onel5969 (talk) 20:47, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Done. I also have amended the 2010 population figure. The infobox figure was wrong to begin with, but the published 2010 figure changed by 20 from how it was originally listed, following the result of a Count Question Resolution process that the Census Bureau makes available. It only changes the total population of the city; the demographic subtotals will still total to the original 2010 census figure. That's how they do it... --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

I'm seeing that 12.2% had a female householder with no husband present, but I'm not seeing the rest. What percentage had a male householder with no wife present?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.240.194 (talk) 03:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Maybe that question was not asked on the census. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Lost Wages[edit]

  • Portal:Las Vegas/Quotes
   What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
   The Entertainment Capital of the World.
   Lost Wages, Nevada.
   Sin City.

I see no mention in the main article of the cute-ish mis-name "Lost Wages". This is a basic factoid of US culture. It is notable enough to belong here. But how or where, I don't know... (see talk page, 2008 and 2013) (I don't know if it offensive, or who would be offended. But it is true and notable, regardless. 100,000 google matches.) If you are feeling brave, Be Bold! -71.174.183.177 (talk) 03:19, 14 February 2015 (UTC)