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What's wrong with nicknames?[edit]

I don't see any problem with listing City of Lost Wages as a nickname. Whether it's official or not is completely irrelevant, what matters is that it's used. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Not commenting on the recent changes. But when does a nickname become notable? One mention? Five sources? Or 24,000 Google hits? Another question could be, is it encyclopedic to list every nickname in the infobox? If this is an issue, it there a way to decide what the limit is and which ones should remain? Vegaswikian (talk) 05:03, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
It's hard to judge, yes. But limiting to "official" nicknames effectively means putting promotional material in the page, since official nicknames are always always used to promote tourism - not just in Vegas, but everywhere. Ego White Tray (talk) 12:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I also have trouble with use of the adjective "official." I'm not even sure there's a precise definition of such a creature. I suppose it would require that the appropriate governing body pass a resolution stating that the nickname in question is official. Now, I refuse to cede to the government the right to decide what nicknames are to be used -- any more than when some misguided officials once tried to dictate the value of pi. More importantly, that just isn't the way nicknames work in practice. Bottom line: whether or not "City of Lost Wages" is a notable nickname has nothing to do with its officialness (officialicity? officiality?). We're back to Vegaswikian's questions, to be answered as best we can.--Larry (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Water conservation in Vegas[edit]

Why is there no mention of this besides a small mention in the Geography section? There's no expansion on it. Can someone add it? I recall something about the volume of the lake they get most of their water from declining over the years. I think it's an issue worthy of it's own section at least. I thought water was becoming a huge issue in Las Vegas, maybe I'm wrong and it's not that notable. RocketLauncher2 (talk) 00:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Probably belongs in Las Vegas Valley Water District since these efforts are not driven by the city but by the valley water provider. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Climate Chart[edit]

I just undid a change to the June record high temperature, based on the June 2013 record. The reason: the current chart states it is for the years 1981 through 2010, and the source it uses is so based. We should probably update the record highs and lows, but we need a reliable source for this -- and I would not want to use a different source for each value, so it would be a bad idea to use newspaper articles and such.--Larry (talk) 03:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, although it is not yet midnight PDT, that is absurd. The period of normals (1981 to 2010) has nothing to do with the period of record, which is 1937 to present. NWS updates this page regularly. GotR Talk 04:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
If you can find a source with all the data, then go for it! However, the web page you specify doesn't seem to fit the bill. In order to display a chart of record highs by month, you have to select "monthly extremes" and "1981-2010". I suppose you could choose "record extremes" and assemble the info month by month, if you want. In either case, the cite doesn't yet have the new data.--Larry (talk) 04:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Because, as I said, as of this post, it is still 30 Jun Pacific Daylight Time. GotR Talk 04:54, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, it's past midnight PDT, and still no data, so your supposition is incorrect. However, that's neither here nor there, since I assume it will be available shortly. The key point: I took a look at the source you specified. The NWS page only provides data from 1948 onward. As you so clearly stated, this is insufficient. I'm pretty sure the NWS only has digital data back to 1948; before that, you'll have to look all 132 of the original, handwritten, MONTHLY reports for the prior eleven years! Not so long ago, I found this out the hard way when I was playing around with their downloadable data files.
The current Wiki page is based on a dead link, possibly as far back as 2009. You can't just add this newest record to it, as there might have been other monthly records in the last four years; you'll have to merge the table with new data for record highs and lows from 2009 onward. It's also pretty iffy, trying to merge new values into a table that doesn't even have a valid reference.
A better way: start with a source that has records from 1937. Perhaps some other NWS page has it. If not, try the WRCC. It's a pain to find the right web page, but I've copied their data a few years ago, and it goes back that far. However, it was a year or so out of date. If that's still true, you're stuck with merging two sources -- or waiting until the WRCC has more up to date data. After all, there's no hurry.--Larry (talk) 09:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Where are you finding your data? Which NWS source has a period of record only back to 1948? NOAA Online Weather Data's Las Vegas ThreadEx station dates back to 1937. Select Product extremes → Las Vegas Area → Max Temperature → June, and there we have it, the June all-time record high just fell yesterday. GotR Talk 13:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I had used the McCarran Airport numbers, since that's what the weather box title says the info is based on -- it's the official weather station. However, I think you're right that the "Las Vegas area" choice uses the proper data. I checked a couple of months of handwritten records for the airport (e.g., for July 1942), and it appears that's what was used; perhaps this is what the ThreadEx "Project Background" screen meant by "adding daily data from the old NWS Climate Record Books." Of course, since this method doesn't provide a single table of record values, you generated all 24 screens for the record monthly highs and lows, and then combined them into the weather box table -- correct? If so, the box's title, as well as the citation, can be corrected to reflect this.--Larry (talk) 21:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the official Vegas NWS site is at McCarren and before that it was at what is now Nellis AFB. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 October 2013[edit]

The source for the 9th reference (history of Las Vegas) is not done properly. The author is wrong. The source is also not very authoritative. I am sure a better source could be found.

Thanks Caramsay (talk) 15:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Partly done: I have fixed the author mistake, thank you for pointing that out. If you have a better reference then the one currently in use, please provide it! Dana boomer (talk) 16:52, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Skyline[edit]

The picture of the skyline is terrible. I would propose something like this... (( http://dansmarathon.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/las-vegas-aerial.jpg?w=630&h=222 )) .. It much better describes the city.. It shows everything from downtown to the lower valley (Strip). Current one is is just so plaine and doesnt even really show the actaul downtown Vegas skyline. XSTLxCody (talk) 07:57, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

The current image does show the city skyline. The one you are suggesting shows mostly the valley. The easy and, in my opinion, the correct solution is to move the Las Vegas Valley article to Las Vegas or Las Vegas, Nevada. Then the article would reflect what most people actually know as Vegas. But until that happens, the city is the city and not 90% of the hotels and gambling or the skyline that everyone knows and loves. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Airport[edit]

No, the boundaries drawn by corrupt casino owners are not a suicide pact, and can not by themselves determine the content of this article. With McCarran being the primary airport serving Las Vegas (regardless of its location), there is no reason not to mention it. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

The whole group of articles about Las Vegas is a bit of a problem, but at the moment, Las Vegas is an article about an entity important to the people living there, but less so to the hordes of tourists that descend on the area (and the airport). I feel pretty confident that the Strip drives the majority of the airport traffic, and not the city (which has a much smaller number of hotel rooms, and attractions, than the Strip). The airport is also import to the entire metropolitan area (Las Vegas Valley), as well as these three: Clark County, Nevada; Paradise, Nevada; Winchester, Nevada. There may be others. I'd hesitate to put the airport link in all six of them, and perhaps others. Larry (talk) 04:59, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I see nothing wrong with the link being in all six. And it's one thing if there was an airport actually in city limits, but there's not. Not to mention, Seattle (by example) has an airport in city limits (Boeing Field), but the city's infobox also mentions Sea-Tac Airport, since that's how people travel to the city. Also, for tourist, the Strip vs City thing is a distinction without a difference - close to none of them know that they're not in city limits, and I bet most of them do pop into the "city" during their trips - such as those staying at the Stratosphere, being both on strip AND in city. Ego White Tray (talk) 05:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
If you look at the numbers, about 5% or the gaming revenue and hotel rooms are in the city. The rest are elsewhere. If anyone wants to know how many visitors go to the city, I suspect that this is still reported by the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority. I used some old data in past move discussions in case you can't find updated information. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
What is the purpose of using this spare parameter to list the airport that provides service to the area? If this type of thing is so important, shouldn't it be included in the infobox code? The other issue, both here and in Seattle, is what is the city involvement? Things in the infobox are about the community that are actually physically part of the community, like the motto, population, land area and so on. The fact that if you start adding the airport to the articles you cited above justifies also adding it to NLV, Henderson, Summerlin, Enterprise, Spring Valley, Sunrise Manor and so on. That just shows how senseless adding it is. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, the big difference is that none of those are the primary city for their region. Seattle and Las Vegas are. Because Las Vegas is such a large city, reader are expecting to see the name of the large airport that serves it. Also, in addition to Seattle, I looked at Los Angeles and New York City and these cities both list major airport, with New York and Seattle listing one that isn't in city limits. . On the other hand, Atlanta, London and Paris don't. This may be one to take to Wikipedia:Wikiproject Cities, to discuss whether we should be putting airports for major cities in the infobox. That said, I don't consider "not in city limits" a valid reason to exclude it. Ego White Tray (talk) 15:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I did just take it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities#Airports in infoboxes. Ego White Tray (talk) 15:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Structure[edit]

Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Reordering the sections should not be a problem. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:58, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
@Vegaswikian: Hi. Why do you feel a panorama of the city is erroneous? Many other city pages (in fact, almost all), include a panoramic shot of the city. Is there something I'm missing? For the time being, I put it back in, but let's discuss, please. Onel5969 (talk) 12:58, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Never mind. @Traveling Man: just answered my question. See? I was missing something.

Why does hatnote of this article say this article is only about the city proper?[edit]

I don't see why the scope of this article needs to be strictly limited to the city proper. I don't see any discussion about this issue on this talk page.

The title of this article is not City of Las Vegas. It is Las Vegas. That term commonly refers to the city + the strip. While I agree there should be a separate article on the strip, I think it's reasonable to have a summary subsection in this article about the strip, including noting it is not within the city limits. Also, I don't see the harm in having a photo of the strip there. --B2C 20:59, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The article is about the city. The general usage of Las Vegas covers the Strip, Paradise, Winchester, The Township of Las Vegas and many other areas that are part of the Las Vegas Valley which also includes the city. The city only has about 5% of the hotel rooms, a fraction of the casinos and about 5% of the gaming revenue. Are you proposing that we merge the strip into the city? You have Clark County, which includes the Las Vegas Valley which includes the City of Las Vegas. The city is at the bottom of the grouping and not the top. Mentioning what is around the city is fair, but adding material already covered more accurately and more extensively is not appropriate here since there is no need to repeat everything, that we link things. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:12, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Las Vegas is most famous for the strip. I'm suggesting it would improve this article to give the strip a short summary section of the strip, including a photo. Period. --B2C 23:30, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
The generally used term "Las Vegas" is most famous for the Strip. The Wikipedia article "Las Vegas" is about the city proper, and is thus NOT most famous for the Strip, as the Strip is not part of the city. There's already a short summary of the Strip, with the appropriate link. It's also worth noting that there's also a picture of the Strip in this article--arguably one picture too many, but I don't have the energy to go down that road at the moment. --Larry (talk) 23:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
But WHY is the WP article "Las Vegas" about the city proper? Why is the scope restricted so tightly? Political borders are not everything, especially when the "border" is a US municipality. --B2C 05:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Because it is about the city! Most of what is Las Vegas is not within the city. That makes it too easy to mix in material that is not about the actual city by editors who don't realize this. Of course we could ignore the political boundaries completely and move the Las Vegas Valley article to the main name space and the problem would go away since that covers just about everything that is Las Vegas. But as we all know, you are opposed to that option. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Tautological arguments (it is about the city proper because it is about the city) are not helpful. "The city" can be interpreted in a variety ways. What is the reason to be so strict in interpretation that we can't have a summary and photo of the strip which is so closely associated with the city? --B2C 21:46, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
As explained in previous discussions there are many reasons. One of which is the fact that most sources use the terms Las Vegas and city to mean the Las Vegas Valley or the Las Vegas metropolitan area. So when something is ambiguous and you elect to use the main name space for the least inclusive term, then you need to be strict to avoid more confusion. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Smith Center for the Performing Arts - Photos?[edit]

Ahoi :) Could someone of you share images at Wikimedia Commons of the Smith Center for the Performing Arts? It's still U/C in the 2010 pic to the right. I mean it turned out really imposing, check the photos at David M. Schwarz Architects! This is purely magnificent. Neo Art Deco. I'd be so thankful for some recent photos. Thanks and all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 11:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)