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Sunfish lateen[edit]

The rig on the Sunfish is also called a lateen rig, but differs in that it uses a lower spar as well, giving more control over sail shape than the traditional loose footed lateen sail. In this sense, it's closer to the proas crab claw sail, but the crab claw traditionally has curved spars, and a narrower angle. Anyone want to add a section on the "modern lateen" rig? scot 21:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Changing spar of side to avoid bad tack[edit]

For what I have seen in some sailboats with lateen sail (eg. vela latina canaria, one does change the spar from one side to the other when tacking, to avoid the bad tack. The paragraph that talks about this "bad tack" should be changed to reflect this, shouldn't it? I am no expert on this kind of sailboat, only seen it on regattas on T.V., so if another contributor can confirm it we could change the text

MarcCasaldaliga 13 Dec 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcCasaldaliga (talkcontribs) 15:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


Origin of term[edit]

Our article currently gives the etymology as "from a la trina, meaning triangular", with no cite.

However http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lateen gives a different etymology from 2 reputable dictionaries:

- Origin: 1720–30; < F (voile) latine Latin (sail) ("Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.")
- French (voile) latine, lateen (sail), feminine of latin, Latin (from its use in the Mediterranean), from Old French; see Latin. (The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition)

I'm going to change our article accordingly; please cite the other etymology if restored to the article. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 18:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone provide sources for phonetic transmutation where the second phonem of a consonant cluster would disappear instead of the first? Far more plausible transmutation would be la trina > larina (initial T disappearing) > lareen62.237.141.27 (talk) 22:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Use, or advantage[edit]

Unless I'm missing it, I don't believe the article really covers what advantages the lateen sail provides. How is it used differently from other kinds of sails? What role did lateen sails play in making Middle Eastern / North African ships better or faster or more maneuverable or whatever than certain European designs?

For those reading about the history of navigation and the cultural exchanges leading to changes in European ship design, navigation technology, etc that allowed for the Voyages of Discovery, this sort of information is at the core - it's absolutely crucial. I'm surprised to not find it here. I'd add it myself, but my sources are rather insufficient. LordAmeth (talk) 05:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Lateen sail can rise better to wind than square sail. While the Arabs never invented tacking, the Christians sure did, and it enabled to sail independently of the wind direction. A lateen rigged vessel is more manouevrable than a square rigged. While a Lateen sail is less effective on running than square sail, the square sails come on their own good only on constant winds, such as westerlies or tradewinds. On Mediterranean, where the wind conditions are unstable, the lateen sail revolutionized sailing with tacking.62.237.141.27 (talk) 22:24, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Good to know. Can you add it to the article? LordAmeth (talk) 18:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
(Need references before adding. — Steven G. Johnson (talk) 01:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC))

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Section "Addressing the bad tack"[edit]

The whole section (including the heading, and its relation to the content) is completely incomprehensible to a layman and should be rewritten for the benefit of the general encyclopdia reader. --BjKa (talk) 15:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)