Talk:Lausanne Conference of 1949

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Necessary rewrite if not total overhaul[edit]

The current state of the article dedicates little time to the enormity of the Lausanne Conference, 1949 and seems to rely on historians that might not otherwise paint a completely objective picture of what occurred: see: Ilan Pappé. And considering the article relies almost solely on his interpretation of Israel (plus criticisms) with little information besides the bare minimal (this was the purpose of the conference [end scene] - here is israel's "real motivation" - more analysis.

Welcome to wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.165.227 (talk) 02:21, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

There is so much information available and the article hardly represents the realities of the conference. I mean heck, the only sub-section is simply criticisms. totally unacceptable IMO. For now we should minimize Pappe's beliefs, merge in more moderate sources and incorporate actual events recorded by the UN and responses by respective governments. Interpretation by extremely leftist historians should be at the bottom of the to-do list. Wikifan12345 (talk) 11:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you think is seriously wrong? I think the organization is odd, and there are things missing, but nothing flagrantly false. Pappé's views here are pretty mainstream and uncontroversial as far as I can see.John Z (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
That's as far as you can see. The article should be focusing on the actual events recorded by the United Nations. Pappe's views are not universal and belong to a very niche side of Israeli history. A person who reads this article will leave with no understanding at the events that occurred outside that it failed, and Israel planned that all along. Hardly a balanced perspective. We should move the article (i.e, Criticisms of Israel's involve with x) or rewrite it. Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
The article shouldn't focus on primary sources but on historians' interpretations of them. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 05:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
No, the article should focus on the actual topic and describe the events and then move to a balanced series of interpretations by historians. Though preferably, an effort should be made to include the opinions of the countries involved which were extensive. It is suspect to go directly to an extremely hostile historian, almost exclusively. Suspect. Wikifan12345 (talk) 06:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Agree about the rewrite. Will try to do this. The section "Criticism of participants" has only one (sortof) reference, and that reference doesn't appear to say anything about the bulk of what is written there. The content seems to have been selected from primary source material, the references given below do not appear to support what is written, and the material has been in place and unreferenced since 2006. My intention is to remove that section altogether barring complaints and proper references. Snakeswithfeet (talk) 05:49, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

ok rewritten. Will expand later. Snakeswithfeet (talk) 04:35, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I suggest we revert to the old version first and then incorporate needed changes step by step. The old version wasn't that bad. --Frederico1234 (talk) 16:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Agree - Snakeswithfeet just replaced one POV with another - exactly the opposite. Such a tendentious form of editing is not acceptable. Let's try to be constructive and include both. Oncenawhile (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

inflammatory language[edit]

As I was reading the article, I questioned the use of certain inflammatory words. Granted a history can have different perspectives and this article relates to other topics which remain sensitive to this day. However, I think we could use more neutral language than "Jewish immigrants stole properties" in the background section.

I am going to review the cited sources best I can and look for more neutral language. If the original source is inflammatory, the language needs to be quoted and the context clarified. Otherwise, less inflammatory sources are preferable as well as neutral language. Dstern1 (talk)