Talk:Law school rankings in the United States

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Concerning The Official Guide to ABA-Approved Law Schools[edit]

The ABA no longer publishes this document, per https://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal_education/resources/aba_approved_law_schools/official-guide-to-aba-approved-law-schools/ in a short article dated August 30, 2018. If there exist alternatives or archived historical versions, perhaps now is the time to add those references. Also, this article seems to be in serious need of a grammar editor. Seems like there are a lot of missing antecedents, runons and abrupt stops in the body paragraphs. I'm at work, or I'd volunteer to clean up some of the usage and grammar. --97.105.199.198 (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Top 14 and new USN&WR rankings[edit]

I implore editors to more carefully consider how the old (outdated?) sources in this article that refer to the "Top 14" should be described, included, and summarized now that the actual top 14 institutions in the U.S. News & World Report rankings have changed. The premise of the "Top 14" has always been that while a few of them may shuffle into different spots the entirety of the top 14 institutions remains consistent. That's no longer the case with Georgetown dropping to 15 and Texas moving up to 14. So it's no longer accurate to describe the previous list of "Top 14" schools as the ones currently ranked in the top 14 or ones that have always been ranked in the top 14. However, the vast majority of the sources were written when those facts were true and include Georgetown. This leaves this article - and those who believe in the silliness of the "Top 14" and other ranking nonsense - in a real quandary when figuring out what to write about the "Top 14" and how to write it. Please do so carefully and correctly. ElKevbo (talk) 05:53, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The T14 concept[edit]

The T14 concept is relevant encyclopedic content using a law journal, and reliable literature of actual facts of what the history has been. The claim that it is just marketing is nonsense. Alanscottwalker (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are no independent reliable sources that support the existence of an actual T-14 group. Like the M7, the T-14 is merely an informal and common term used within law circles. It is not substantiated by any reputable, independent source. Genericusername9631 (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

False, see eg. [1] which was cited in the article, and it is in discussed in books etc. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is a BLOG. That is NOT reputable. Please learn to properly cite REPUTABLE sources that are NOT blogs, once again. Read that again and again until you understand. Okay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genericusername9631 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wrong, again. It is an academic article from a law professor at the University of Maryland. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to dig up more reputable sources than that. Any "professor" can write articles about a "T-35" or a "T-10" or a "T-14". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genericusername9631 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And again you are wrong. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll play that game too. Again you are wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genericusername9631 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please go play your game elsewhere. Nothing you have said has been correct or even true. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:41, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring over inclusion of University of Texas[edit]

Can the editors who are edit warring over the inclusion of the University of Texas in the "T14" section please discuss the issue and come to a consensus? Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 03:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

alternatives to Rankling Rankings permanent dead link[edit]

The link to the Rankling Rankings article seems to be truly dead. The authors, William Henderson and Andrew Morriss, are the subject of various articles and have published a paper (currently cited in the same footnote: Measuring Outcomes: Post-Graduation Measures of Success in the U.S. News & World Report Law School Rankings), though this link may prove to be more useful.

Related commentary from these same authors as well as others include:

Law Schools Have Only Themselves to Blame for Power (June 22, 2007)
Rank Economics (June 1, 2007)
Henderson & Morriss on Law Schools to Blame for Power of the U.S. News Rankings (June 4, 2007)
Attending Law School: Lucrative or Lunatic? (December 2, 2013)
Enduring Hierarchies in American Legal Education (2014)
Law and Football: Rankings Doublethink (November 19, 2014)
Legal Education Through the Blurry Lens of U.S. News Law School Rankings (Green Bag, Spring 2017)

Consider adjusting the existing claims as needed so they can be supported by freely accessible sources. Fabrickator (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]