Talk:Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

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This article reads like a CV[edit]

Read this section for "Largest computers" and you'll see what I mean: "Throughout its history, LLNL has been a leader in computers and scientific computing. Even before the Livermore Lab opened its doors, E.O. Lawrence and Edward Teller recognized the importance of computing and the potential of computational simulation. Their purchase of one of the first UNIVAC computers, set the precedent for LLNL’s history of acquiring and exploiting the fastest and most capable supercomputers in the world."

Can anyone take the time to fix this? There are lots of other examples of this throughout the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.1.71.65 (talk) 20:51, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Criticism[edit]

A criticism section should be added to this article. For many years now (and especially in the 80s) the lab was the site of numerous large anti-nuclear demonstrations. Furthermore, the lab's environmental/accident record is far from spotless. Tri-Valley CAREs is a local organization that has for the past 24 years acted as a watchdog on the lab and opposed its military agenda. I currently work for Tri-Valley CAREs. I have added a link to us in the 'External links and sources' but am loathe to do more because of conflict of interest. More should be done to reflect the at times controversial nature of the lab, its relationship and the fact that it designs nukes -- currently the first of the RRW. jdevries 19:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's any downplaying of "It designs nukes" in the article now...
A criticism section including links to Tri-Valley CAREs would be appropriate, in my opinion. Why don't you open a new subsection here on the talk page and propose what you'd like to see in the article? We can discuss and work on it here on the talk page without any Conflict of Interest issues. Georgewilliamherbert 22:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject University of California[edit]

Several editors are organizing a WikiProject to better organize articles related to the University of California. A preliminary draft is available here. You are invited to participate in the discussion at Talk:University of California#Developing Wikiproject University of California. szyslak 21:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Llnl 01.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

What exactly has Tron (the movie) to do with the LLNL?[edit]

Why is the LLNL listed as a "related article" in the "Tron" box at the bottom? --88.79.199.2 (talk) 09:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Disney used the Shiva laser building for the ENCOM building. The big blast door in Tron is the building and the interior shots for the laser were also used. I've not seen the wikipedia text, but I've been at LLNL in buildings near this old building. 171.66.49.99 (talk) 01:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


Also portions of Building 451 were used in the interior stairway, office area, and computer room scenes in the movie. ChardingLLNL (talk) 22:14, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

National Ignition Facility and photon science[edit]

I have removed this section for discussion. Initially it attracted my attention because it is written like an advertisement. Then I noticed that much of it appears to be a copyvio of [1]. I think the article is better without it. Johnfos (talk) 05:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


The National Ignition Facility (NIF) Project and related programs -- the National Ignition Campaign, Photon Science and Applications, Inertial Fusion Energy and Science at the Extremes -- are pursuing three complementary missions:

  • National security: To ensure the continuing reliability of the U.S. nuclear stockpile, Lawrence Livermore and other national laboratories are developing sophisticated supercomputer simulations to determine the effects of aging on nuclear weapons components as part of the national Stockpile Stewardship Program. When NIF is completed, it will be able to provide data for these simulations by replicating the conditions that exist inside a thermonuclear weapon. In addition, the Photon Science and Applications program is developing innovative technologies for homeland security and national defense.
  • Energy for the future: By demonstrating the ability to attain fusion ignition in the laboratory, NIF will lay the groundwork for future decisions about fusion's long-term potential as a safe, virtually unlimited energy source. Fusion, the same energy source that powers the stars, produces no greenhouse gases and is more environmentally benign than fossil-fuel- or nuclear-fission-based energy.
  • Understanding the universe: NIF's role in the physics of materials under extreme pressures and temperatures, known as high-energy-density physics, is key to unlocking the secrets of the universe. Other NIF programs promise breakthroughs in the use of lasers in medicine, radioactive and hazardous waste treatment, particle physics, and x-ray and neutron science.

Bias[edit]

"Critical contributions to the U.S. nuclear deterrence through the design of nuclear weapons to meet military requirements and, since the mid-1990s, through the Stockpile Stewardship Program, by which the safety and reliability of the enduring stockpile is ensured without underground nuclear testing."

This section is biased towards the lab, it should be written in a neutral tone. (Eg: nuclear deterrence is used here as a positive term to something most people regards as negative, nuclear arms race). --187.40.236.223 (talk) 01:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Ununhexium[edit]

As this element is scheduled to be named Livermorium, after the labs (and thus after the city by proxy), i think that deserves a mention.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Introduction[edit]

Leaving out of the introduction the fact the LLNL is the primary design center for the nuclear warheads of the United States is a strange thing. It is the central purpose of the lab. It is the reason the lab was established. It is the fact most interesting to anyone anywhere in the world who does not already know it. Leaving for the third section seems to me indefensible. I stated it explicitly the first thing after the name in the first sentence of the introduction. In fact I cannot imagine why the entities who are members of the consortium that runs the lab are in the introduction, that seems to me precisely the sort of gritty detailed information that should come much later in the article. Nick Beeson (talk) 03:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Good point, i had wondered as well. Like adding The Peace War to the lead, as it takes place in part at llnl, instead of at the end. which is a suggestion i am making. maybe in "see also"?(mercurywoodrose)50.193.19.66 (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Number of classified nuclear research facilities in the US[edit]

The lead section of this article gives three laboratories, yet at the article of Los Alamos National Laboratory, the figure is given as two. Shuipzv3 (talk) 10:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

There are vastly more than 2 or 3 classified nuclear research labs. 171.66.163.127 (talk) 18:30, 16 April 2013 (UTC)