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What![edit]

The article says in one part, with no citations:

"There is also a variant of Lemonade which is actually peach flavoured ade. The "Peach-Ade" containins no sugar. There has been some controversy over its levels of E951 (Aspartame) artificial sweetener, a possible carcinogen. Many soft drinks contain this chemical, but only in small quantities".

There are so many reasons why this paragraph seems like it should be removed. First of all, "peach-ade", whatever it is, has nothing to do with lemonade. Aspartame, a carcinogen? If you're going to make a statement like that, a citation is definitely mandatory. And I'm pretty sure any aspartame-containing beverage uses it in small quantities.

If no one gives any reason why it ought to stay here in a few days, I'll go ahead and remove it. Ralphael 01:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I wholly agree! Ditch it. Theophani 14:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


Just wondering why recipes were removed from the discussion page. They were posted in response to a request for a recipe. I didn't put them in the article directly and expected the moderator would do so at some point. 71.51.169.102 (talk) 04:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

The various descriptions of lemonade outside the USA essentially resolve to a 'carbonated sweet soft drink'. The definition of lemonade in the USA is home-made lemon juice. So it is American usage which is non-standard, not all the rest. Accordingly, shouldn't the definition be changed to refer to 'carbonated sweet soft drink', with the definition of home-made lemon juice defined as an American usage?203.184.41.226 (talk) 02:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Etymology[edit]

which language did the word Lemonade come from?

Lemon + http://www.answers.com/-ade "A sweetened beverage"; the -ade suffix ultimately is from Latin. 213.169.5.124 16:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Lemonade in Germany[edit]

Being born and raised in Germany, I have never seen any type of Cola referred to as 'Limonade', which is the German word for 'lemonade'. 'Limonade' generally refers to carbonated soft drinks with typically either orange, lemon, lime, or a combination of these; sometimes other kinds of fruit can be used as well. It can be specified further as 'Orangenlimonade' (orange taste) or 'Zitronenlimonade' (lemon and/or lime taste). Informally, 'Limonade' or, short, 'Limo', refers to the orange variant, while the lemon/lime variants are usually referred to as 'Sprite'. Regionally, I have also heard the name 'Silberlimo' (silver lemonade). The Dutch don't seem to use the term 'lemonade' at all. A carbonated orange soft drink is called 'sinas', or by the brand name 'Sisi'. The lemon / lime variant is called '7-up', or short, 'up' (with a French 'u'). There is also a less sweet, but otherwise identical, lime soft drink, going by the name of 'Spa Citroen'. The syrup + water combination is called 'ranja'.

I am as well born and raised in Germany and in my understanding of the term "Limonade" Cola and cola-like beverages are definitely included. Btw, the German language version of this article also refers to Cola as "Limonade"/lemonade. However, I am afraid that I cannot confirm that the lemon/lime variants are usually referred to as 'Sprite' and I have never ever heard 'Silberlimo'. It seems the use varies in different regions of Germany.

Perhaps seperate sections are in order, according to region? Where are each of you from?--Joel 17:16, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In Germany, Limonade means any carbonated soft drink with fruit or herb flavour. Carbonated water is not called Limonade. Coke isn't called Limonade (even if you could ponder if it might not be technically belong to this categogy). If Limonade is ordered without any further specification of flavour, one usually gets Orangenlimonade (a carbonated drink with orange flavour; Fanta being the most popular brand). --Klaws (talk) 12:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Pink Lemonade[edit]

I need to know what the origin of pink lemonade is. If the Pink Lemonade entry is going to forward here, then it should definitely have it's own section with a history of the drink. Since there is very little difference in taste, it should most definitely be explained. I am having a debate with friends and we can't find accurate information on the subject, and here I want wikipedia to be my primary source for all of the world's information.

GOSH! WHY IS IT PINK??

WHY PINK??

WHY NOT BLUE?

WHERE DID IT COME FROM?

Traditionally, beet juice. Beets (like lemons) are cheap, and strongly-colored enough that they don't alter the flavor very much. Perhaps it originated with red sumac tisane, though, which has a similar taste and appearance.
I'll go ahead and add this to the article.--Joel 02:17, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've bought pink lemonade concentrate which used grape as the pink coloring; I haven't seen any using beet juice that I can recall. Is that a current coloring, or is it no longer used? H-ko 04:10, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I don't believe beet is used by big companies. I think it is more of the traditional "county fair" recipe.--Joel 02:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

There's also Black Lemonade, made by Skeleteens/Eat Me Foods. Very sour/bitter. Mostly sour though. In fact, it's the most sour lemonade I've ever had, by far. Bluemoose444 05:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why, but any reference to pink lemonade seems to have fallen out of the article, even though Pink lemonade redirects to it. This really ought to be remedied. Beet juice is a good start, but when was pink lemonade invented, by whom, and why? What's so special about coloring lemonade pink? --Robotech_Master 18:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

This is the only time wikipedia has failed me. I've always wondered what is pink lemonade. There is no different taste, nor are there pink lemons. So why is it pink, why is there even such a popular variant? It's one thing if a one company made green, blue, red, and other colors, but this is something everyone makes. 71.192.77.222 06:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Pink lemonade typically DOES taste different. Pink has a more sugary, less tart taste--it's "smoother" if you will. Don't believe me? Minute Maid makes both. Get a glass of each and you will be surprised at the difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.40.43 (talk) 22:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

As I said before, and this is wild speculation on my part, I believe that pink lemonade began as an effort to make large quantities of imitation sumac beverage. But it may just be that pink is a cheap & easy color to achieve.--Joel 02:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I second Joel's opinion. I was raised believing that Staghorn Sumac was the basis for pink lemonade, and that it was only named pink lemonade because it's flavor resembled lemonade. We used to make it when I was a kid. The staghorn sumac article even mentions this use of the tree's fruit. 209.255.33.150 (talk) 23:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
It definately needs explained a bit more in the article. But actually there is a slight difference in taste between pink lemonade and (normal) lemonade by the same vendor. However there is a larger difference in taste between different commerical brands of lemonade of the same type. Jon 19:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I've read modern recipes that call for cranberry juice to be added or a few drops of grenadine to achieve the pink color. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Altairisfar (talkcontribs) 02:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I found a rather interesting article on this at Chow. What Is Pink Lemonade?According to this, there ARE pink lemons, but not really used for pink lemonade. Seems to be mostly added color. I personally have witnessed though a pink lemonade made at a county fair that used pink grapefruit in with the lemons to give it a distinctive color and flavor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarnor23 (talkcontribs) 18:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The article refers to Pink Lemonade in the section of UK etc. Which infers we are speaking of a carbonated beverage.

Not only should there be more said about pink lemonade but it should also be under a different heading (American?), or its own heading.

I've lived and worked across the US and Canada and have never found home-made pink lemonade to use beet juice. From my experience and scouring recipes I can find only 3 ways: Using variegated pink lemons (they do exist), adding grenadine or substituting a modest amount of red berry juice for an equal portion of water. I've seen both strawberry or cranberry juice used. The taste, when using variegated pink lemons or grenadine, seems unaffected.

Does anyone have any source on the use of beet juice or sumac? Commercial production of Pink Lemonade vs home-made?

At least H-ko has seen grape used in concentrate. Can we pull something together on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JJ Bosch (talkcontribs) 02:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, according to folklore spoken of on an episode of the Waltons, pink lemonaide came to currence after it's initial run for ladies, thus "pink", where the regular lemonaide for the gentlemen was spiked. 70.57.121.210 (talk) 23:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The Apprentice? Why?[edit]

The stuff about the TV show "The Apprentice" is clearly off-topic. It seems you should say that it's a notable childhood activity to set up a lemonade stand, and then leave it at that. BrianGCrawfordMA 20:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Italian lemonade?[edit]

My husband and I have bought citrus sodas imported from Italy - lemon-flavored limonata, and a grapefruit flavored one which name I can't remember right now. We've used both to make shandys - much, much better than 7-up or Sprite, which are both much sweeter. I assume that since the lemon flavored sodas were from Italy, that limonata is their "lemonade" - is that right? H-ko 04:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

UK[edit]

"In the UK, it more often refers to a carbonated (fizzy) drink, sometimes lemon-flavoured, comparable to but excluding the brands 7-Up or Sprite, which are lemon-and-lime flavoured. The combination of lemonade and beer produces a shandy. The drink that Americans call lemonade is relatively rare in the UK, where it is generally known as "real lemonade""

I contest most of this:

  • lemonade is always lemon-flavoured — otherwise why on earth would it be called lemonade?
  • what do Sprite and 7-Up have to do with anything?
  • "real lemonade" is lemonade made with lemons, aka "lemonade"

Njál 01:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

You haven't really explained *why* you're contesting those things Njal.

  • If you're "contesting" that lemonade is not always lemon flavored then you need to provide real world examples of accepted lemonade incarnations that are independent of such lemon flavoring.
  • Objectively speaking, Sprite and 7-up are lemon and lime flavored carbonated beverages; meaning that for those in places like the UK and France, it is technically correct if they are referred to as lemonade should either beverage be masqueraded as such. Technically correct, however, doesn't imply it's proper or appropriate to refer to such well recognized commercial brands distinguishable in their own right, under the more general guise of "lemonade" per se, since doing so can only be charitably described as intentionally deceptive. Nevertheless, when considering the more inclusive non-American Anglo-French definition that welcomes carbonation with open arms, it's technically correct that the composition of Sprite and 7-up are necessarily the "Clear, Fizzy" iteration being employed by Nick below in the Euro inspired expanded socially conscious definition now being accepted.
  • Your laconic statement regarding "real lemonade" is rather lacking. What's your point? That because real lemons are more authentically in tune with the environmentally conscious Tree Hugger Ethos especially for the tree huggers that hug lemon trees, that "real lemonade" made from authentic lemons should be granted greater legitimacy? Why are you using a bullet point to re-educate us of the law of identity? Do you find the universality of a=a being somehow obscured?

el80ne 02:30, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I've started editing this article, but most of it's irrelevant crap. "In the United States, it is common for children to sell lemonade on the streets as a first business, symbolic of the American entrepreneurial spirit." Honestly. 02:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

So what exactly is the difference between the default meaning for lemonade in the UK vs US; is it only the fizz or also the colour? (In Australia the other difference is that lemonade is transparent, not like the cloudy American stuff.) And I doubt the Sprite has any real lemon juice, just lemon flavouring. Is Sprite ever referred to as lemonade in the UK? If not we could just leave out all mention. Nick 03:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I've heard Sprite being called lemonade by ?American/?Australian GAP year students working in tourist area bars, but not by anyone from the UK. I don't think colour has much to do with it -- usually cloudy lemonade is home-made (so has pulp in it), and clear lemonade is shop-bought (and less likely to contain real lemon). Njál 22:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
They couldn't have been Americans, they would call it 'Sprite' as lemonade means flat and cloudy to them. Must have been Aussies (or maybe Kiwis). Nick 02:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Njál. I am UK-based and I was amazed at the claims in this article. Lemonade is a non-alcoholic drink flavoured with lemons here: it can be either flat and cloudy, ie the variety currently described as "North American", or fizzy and clear. The Concise Oxford Dictionary definition: "lemonade: noun. 1 an effervescent or still drink made from lemon juice. 2 a synthetic substitute for this". The OED would be better for definitive UK proof, but I don't have the OED sitting next to me (alas).
I'd make a three-way distinction: 1) clear and fizzy; 2) cloudy and fizzy; 3) cloudy and still. The first two are the variety you find on the shelf, with the second described as 'cloudy lemonade' more often than 'American'; the third is the home-made recipe you'll find in old British recipe books. Holgate 11:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I only came to this article because I am making lemonade at the moment (lemon juice, sugar and water, no fizz!) and wondered if a picture was needed, but I couldn't let this pass.
Telsa (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to seem argumentative, but there is indeed a real mythos around lemonade stands in North America. The image of children selling lemonade, while not so common these days, is, in a kitschy sort of way, reminescent of the 50s and the American way of life. Compare with baseball, apple pie, etc. Just imagesearch Google for "kids selling lemonade". I would argue that it should at least be mentioned in passing in the article. --24.201.253.66 22:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The lemonade stand as symbolic of school-age capitalism, 'if you've got lemons, make lemonade', etc. There's a cultural context to lemonade in the US that absolutely needs to be included. Holgate 11:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

In the UK shandy is traditionally a mixture of ginger beer and beer. A mixture of lemonade and beer is correctly known as a "bastard shandy".

Lemonade from other countries[edit]

Why removing references about lemonade recipes from other countries?? Saulo Paiva 26 December 2006

Because these didn't say very much about the subject. It is irrelevant that words like "lemonade" may or may not be used in languages other than English to describe the same or similar drinks. Lemonade/limonade happens to be a generic word for soft drink/soda in many languages that has nothing to do with the term as it is used in English. (Of course, the history of lemonade, referring to its origins in France, is relevant to that drink.)
The article needs to focus on the two main kinds of lemonade (clear fizzy and cloudy flat), and any other less common variants (such as Australian cloudy fizzy lemonade). Drinks such as lemon squash and citrus soda are dealt with in separate articles (See also). ProhibitOnions (T) 18:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it is relevant. The lemonade we have in Brazil is an important drink here. So are the drinks in Iran, Poland, wherever... Discussing only the two main kinds of lemonade is an anglo-centric (I refer to the language) attitude. They are different drinks with the same name, but this name is the only name used here, so it is important at least to have a citation. I think people from other countries who contributed with the article (like me) can be offended if they return to the article and do not find what they have written here because it's not the same drink. Got the point? Its very frustrating when you try to contribute and do your best and someone cut decent content out. And your reason dont convince me. It's better to try to adequate the whole article trying to use the content than cutting it out without a debate about it. And it is a lot of content!
We can split the article, but this attitude can bring the content useless, because, ex., a brazilian will look for lemonade, not lemonade (juice) or something like this.
Actually, in Brazil, the drink you call Lemonade is called Soda or Lemon Soda. Saulo Paiva 27 December 2006
My point exactly. The drinks that are called something like "lemonade" in other languages are not "lemonade" at all in English (and the English-language Wikipedia is necessarily English-centric). Hence: "the French term limonade has since come to mean "soft drink" in many languages." Non-lemonade soft drinks do not belong in this article any more than information about showers worldwide belongs in the douche article; they would not be described as lemonade in English.
For example, here are a couple of things I removed:
===Finland===
In Finland, lemonade (in Finnish "limonadi" or "limu") generally refers to any Coca-Cola like carbonated soft drink. One example is the "Omena Limonadi", which directly translated is "Apple Lemonade" in English.
In other words, it's not lemonade at all, but (as in many countries) the French word limonade, absorbed into the local language, has come to mean any kind of "soft drink." Apple soda is not lemonade.
Or:
===Australia and New Zealand===
In Australia and New Zealand, lemonade refers to a carbonated beverage that is lemon-flavored, and often colourless and transparent, such as Sprite.
Sprite isn't lemonade, it's lemon-lime.
This usage is also found in the UK.
No it isn't.
The term "lemon squash" refers to lemon soft drinks with a cloudy appearance (sometimes due to a small percentage of real lemon juice) e.g. Solo or Lift. The closest equivalent to American lemonade in Australia is known as Lemon Barley Cordial.
Again, lemon squash is a different drink entirely, see Squash (drink). And barley cordial is another drink distinct from (U.S.) lemonade.
Having said that, there's nothing wrong with noting where lemonade (per the English definitions) is popular around the world. However, organizing this by country is an inefficient and unusual way of doing it.
BTW, please note the message on every edit page: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it."

- Sprite/7UP are regularly referred to as Lemonades in the UK. I say so myself and have heard others use it hundreds of times. While it may not fit a technical definition of lemonade, it is still referred to as such. For example, search for Lemonade on the ASDA website and 7UP appears in the results. 86.150.99.62 (talk) 23:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

ProhibitOnions (T) 10:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I got your point. But read carefully... Actually, the article is already talking about two different drinks. Check the first paragraph.
And I still think you should not eliminate the content. If you think this article is the wrong place for all the content (I don't' think so) , why not creating a better place for it? Saulo Paiva 01:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Lemonade Fruits[edit]

I have a fruit here called a lemonade. It looks like a cross between a lemon and some other citrus fruit. Does anyone know about it (there's nothing about it in the article as yet). Aioth 07:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

"Lemonade" is a cultivar or variety of lemon fruit, it is supposedly sweeter than other lemons, and a good choice for making home-made lemonade.Eregli bob (talk) 05:01, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Nimbu[edit]

Apparently a lemonade made in India in colonial times and liked by the British. Curiously, spoken of as being in two halves: "we can have the other half [of the drink] later". Does anyone know the origin of this usage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.85 (talk) 00:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No Mention of the Lemonade Stand?[edit]

Why doesn't this article mention the common cultural phenomenon in the United States of children's lemonade stands? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.221.204 (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Because nobody gives a shit about what American's do or don't do. Lemonade is always fizzy, as served in Italy and Great Britain. Kids making lemon juice and selling for 5c or whatever is just some minor quirk of an irrelevant culture. 81.135.96.207 (talk) 13:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Fuck off, you crooked-teeth, pasty-skinned piece of shit limey. Talk about an irrelevant culture, who gives a shit about your dreary, damp armpit of a country? Stick with what you know: Being ugly and pompous. Nyuk nyuk.

Health Effects[edit]

What are the health effects of lemonade. Like fresh squeezed lemonade and stuff. I read in article that lemonade can effect your stomach juices and ruining the lining of your stomach. Or some stuff like that. Maybe you should add the health effects of lemonade.71.142.214.138 (talk) 07:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Cardinal Raven

And why do people drink it when it's hot, or when they're thirsty? 69.220.2.188 (talk) 06:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

@1st guest: I'm pretty sure any possible effects that drinking lemonade could have on a person's health are negligible. I guess lemonade can cause cavities, but that's fairly obvious considering its ingredients and not really important enough to put into the article. I'm fairly positive that lemonade can't harm your stomache lining unless you drink gallons and gallons of lemonade, and if you were to do that, you'd probably die from drinking too much water before the acid would kill you.

@2nd guest: Are you serious? Why do people drink anything when they're thirsty? People drink it when it's hot because it makes them sweat, thus making them thirsty, and then we're back to your other question. I don't want to be rude, but you're questions seem fairly obvious. 128.61.113.118 (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually logged in to remove a paragraph of unsourced "health benefits," to include "cleansing the liver." The paragraph read like an advertisement for "Lemon Water." Citation needed tag since May 2012, is almost July. If someone wants to revert, verifiable sources would be appreciated. Pyrogen (talk) 15:58, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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Smoked lemonade actually does exist. Ever hear of Hickory Smoked Cherry & Bourbon Lemonade --Tony Feld (talk) 15:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Off color joke[edit]

The aides joke isn't a proverb nor in keeping with the tone of the rest of the article. I suggest we either remove it or move it to a section named something like “potentially offensive jokes not really about lemonade” --JJ Bosch (talk) 06:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


Due to the contrast of sweet and sour, the resulting flavor can be very agreeable to the taste buds[edit]

Who writes these things... please some one rewrite the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.125.48 (talk) 22:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, someone reverted my entry stating that it is a soft drink too, not very constructive —Preceding unsigned comment added by KVDP (talkcontribs) 09:23, August 13, 2009
That could be because in American usage, lemonade is not generally called a "soft drink". "Soft drink" is a term usually reserved for a carbonated "soda drink". Eastcote (talk) 01:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

"Enjoyed by whites?"[edit]

The section on "Pink Lemonade" states that this variety was "enjoyed by whites during colonial times." Somehow this expression seems colloquial and inferior to proper encyclopedic style. Wouldn't "European colonists" or something similar be a more neutral expression? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ReubenGarrett (talkcontribs) 02:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree and made the change as you suggested. SQGibbon (talk) 04:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Redundant Section[edit]

The American section seems largely redundant in that A) it repeats large chunks of information represented elsewhere in the article, B) parts of it read like an advert thus lessening the encyclopaedic value of the article, and C) sections containing an equal amount of information but in relation to non-American countries have been removed.

According to the overall rules and the editing rules of wikipedia, this section is redundant and should be rolled into the article proper, as it doesn't deserve its own section. And if it does, then sections pertaining to recipes and preparations in other countries need to be restored and not deleted in the future.

Really, I'm calling shenanigans, here. This isn't professional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.107.172.208 (talk) 20:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hot Lemonade[edit]

Should something be added about how (cloudy, still) lemonade is often drunk hot, at least in the US? It seems something intrinsic to the drink, for me, but I wanted other opinions. Tyrannophobe (talk) 03:54, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources that could be used to verify the weight of the information? - SudoGhost 04:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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