Talk:Leonel Fernández

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(Text from duplicate article Leonel Fernandez)

NPOV?[edit]

This article reads like it was written by the criminal Fernandez himself. How about some NPOV? 66.108.210.88 02:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Leonel Fernandez has been elected twice as the President of the Dominican Republic once in 1996 and again in 2004.

In 1996, Fernandez won a narrow victory as the candidate of the Dominican Liberation Party (PLD), over Jose Francisco Pena Gomez of the leftwing Revolutionary Democratic Party(PRD) affiliated to the Socialist International by 1.5%. He succeeded incumbent president President Joaquin Balaguer of the PRSC a Christian Democratic Party.

During his term, Fernandez' political agenda was one of economic and judicial reform. He helped enhance Dominican participation in hemispheric affairs, such as the Organization of American States and the follow up to the Miami Summit. During Fernadez's first term, the Dominican Republic enjoyed an average growth rate of seven per cent.

He was succeeded by Hipólito Mejía, the Revolutionary Democratic Party candidate who became President in 2000. During Mejía's term, the Dominican Republic suffered an economic slump with price rises, job losses and the collapse of one of the country's biggest banks leadong to the intervention of the International Monetary Fund. Fernandez stood against Mejia promising to stabilise the economy and won a convincing victory in elections held on May 16, 2004 with polls predicting that he would win 54 per cent of the vote as opposed to Mejía's vote of 36 per cent.

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Fernandez did it again[edit]

For the May 16th 2008 general presidential elections. Early ballot reports of 25% of the voting reports that Fernandez wins with a 54% over the 41% of the 2nd place candidate Miguel Vargas Maldonado.

This means:

  • A Second straight term 2004-2012
  • Three terms overall. 1996-2000, 2004-2012

EdwinCasadoBaez (talk) 04:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

BLP issues[edit]

The following paragraph is unsourced and editorial in tone: "Many argue that his tight focus on technological development is often at the expense of basic needs such as food, health, and education and judicial reforms. Perhaps Fernández's biggest issue during both terms in office is his inability to resolve the country's chronic energy problems, as well as his unwillingness to contend with governmental clientelism and corruption. His position as legal counsel for the failed Banco Intercontinental during its spectacular collapse suggests his possible participation in the bank's alleged government influence peddling."

In particular the suggestion of corruption is not acceptable in a biography.

I will raise this issue as well as WP:BLPN. I prefer not to make any edits myself due to a possible conflict of interest, and so merely raise the issue for the community to resolve.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The language is unacceptable. The cited source just above it ([1]), however, does allude to some of the issues raised in the paragraph, including corruption, but if we wanted to cite to that piece again, we'd still have to substantially reword it. One problem with the source is, although it's reliable, it's more an opinion piece than anything else, so we'd have to tread carefully given the BLP issues. For the moment, I'm going to remove the paragraph. If someone wants to discuss rewriting it, they can raise that here.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I added some External links both for themselves and to provide some additional sources of reference. I believe the Foundation link is worth keeping, even though it's in Spanish. Google translate is in general use, and most articles I've seen in which the topic is about someone in a non-English language county include major sources even if they're only in the local language. I believe there's a template used to denote the language, but I can't remember what it is. Something with "icon" I think. Searching for "language icon" worked and I added them. 99.50.191.169 (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
You found one of the templates (thanks) - there are others. I don't know about the Google translate part, but I decided to leave it in because WP:NONENGEL sort of permits it, although it's strangely worded.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Corruption[edit]

Nothing is said about this issue, which is pivotal, as Fernandez and his administration are constantly accused of corruption. I started a subsection on this, with sources. Is it incompatible with WP policies? --Artery Stenosis (talk) 02:12, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Corruption? Are you asserting this person is corrupt? In my opinion using such low quality externals as these diff - [http://www.diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=265537&l=1 diff , - if you feel there is something controversial and noteworthy for inclusion please present high quality support as possible, thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 02:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
In addition, two things I alluded to in my edit summary. First, the assertions themselves were misleading because the cited sources involve commentary from specific people, not generalized accusations as if it's fact and assumed by everyone. Here's the reverted text:

Accusations of political corruption have plagued Fernández's terms since 1996. It's been noted that it's corruption and the social exclusion of most Dominicans which keeps the country at its knees.

That doesn't even conform to the sources. Second, we are not going to give it the weight of its own section. It unduly emphasizes the material. It needs rewording and balance and should be integrated into the article IF it's worth inclusion at all.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:58, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Oh God. I don't even know why I keep making the same mistake: entering this game only to argue and argue with Bob from Idaho and John from Timbuktu, 'til they are pleased. Maybe next week, or next month. --Artery Stenosis (talk) 23:02, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't know why you do it, either.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
Mmm... touched a nerve, didn't I? Anyway, how many people are necessary to converge a "generalized accusation", since you mention it as if it's a prerequisite? And the information *did* conform to the sources. Do not mislead us. --Artery Stenosis (talk) 00:08, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

No honorary degree from Harvard[edit]

Mr. Fernandez is not on any of Harvard's published lists of honorary degree recipients. There is no public record of him ever receiving this degree. Shouldn't there be some burden of proof for claims of honors and degrees awarded other than the recipient's say so?

Yes, there should be sources for all of the awards, etc. I've removed the entire section as only ONE entry was sourced, and it was unreliably sourced (a blog and an organization Fernandez himself belongs to).--Bbb23 (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)