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First solid-body electric[edit]

In 1941, Paul designed and built the first solid-body electric guitar.
I think Fender had a solid body electric guitar design submitted to them at the same time. I'm not sure, but I definitely remember reading that someone else had independantly invented it too. -- Jimregan 04:35 27 May 2003 (UTC)

It was Leo Fender, I think. The Broadcaster was released around the same time, and I think it was invented around the same time. -- Jimregan 04:38 27 May 2003 (UTC)

No one really knows who invented the first one but Fender definitely developed the first commercially viable solid body in the late 1940s. Ted McCarty of Gibson saw the potential, wanted Gibson's market share and this led to the Gibson Les Paul.--Phyllis1753 (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
The "Chester and Lester" album was released in 1976. It had a follow-up album "Guitar Monsters" in 1978.
The page says that Les Paul's 1947 recording of "Lover, When You're Near Me" was the first time multi-tracking had been used on a recording." Not true. On April 18, 1941, Sidney Bechet recorded "The Sheik of Araby," playing all the instruments and overdubbing them -- soprano and tenor sax, clarinet, piano, bass, and drums. There may have been others.
"Recorded on WAX". Most unlikely. Wax recordings couldn't be played back - only used as masters. "Instant" recordings were aluminum disks covered with acetate and they could be played a limited number of times without serious degradation. Glass was used instead of aluminum when the WW2 war effort required the aluminum. 24Aug06


i am positive les paul died some time this year. I just don't know when. does somebody know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

You are positively incorrect. Les Paul is still ticking, and picking, I believe at the tender age of 91. PJM 00:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Several years ago, I saw a televised birthday tribute to Les Paul on television in the US. Many top guitarists played solos, including Steve Miller, Eddie Van Halen, and particularly David Gilmour, at who Les stared wide-eyed and said "Boy, you sure play your ass off!" He actually seemed stunned by David's performance, which was a tremendous solo along the lines of David's typical style. I can never find that show or performance referenced. Does anyone remember it and where can we get it?Joe House (talk) 04:17, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

You probably mean "Les Paul & Friends: He Changed the Music" from 1988. It's available from amazon —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Uh, he died today.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Friendship with Django Reinhardt[edit]

This article makes no mention of his friendship with Django Reinhardt, which caused him to shift his musical focus from country to jazz and pop.

What's up with the pictures on this page?[edit]

They show an X-box for Les and a silhouette of a tree for "the log".

Ok, pictures back to normal now.


The article says June 9, 1915, but the infobox says June 7, 1914. Whazzup? 23:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Divorce/Les Paul website[edit]

I am removing the word "amicably" from the article's reference to the 1964 divorce from Mary Ford for one reason: the official biography on Paul's own site ( describes the divorce as "bitter." Sensei48 22:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48

== Radio talk ==feafaf

"To this day, no one knows exactly how the Les Paulverizer works." I would think that Mr. Les Paul WOULD be the one to know EXACTLY how the Les Paulverizer works!!! 00:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Troubleshooter5300:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Troubleshooter53

Quote at top[edit]

OK here's the thing. The page currently says "Apple Inc. recognizes him as 'one of the most important figures in the development of modern electric musical instruments and recording techniques.'" But on, it says "Wikipedia recognizes him as 'one of the most important figures in the development of modern electric musical instruments and recording techniques.'" The fact that I think Apple should not be quoting Wikipedia as a source for this sort of thing aside, who wrote this quote first?!—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Further, the source that the footnote links to does not contain the quotation! Apple's startpage does but won't forever. I'll glance through the history to see if I can figure out what's goin' on.  — gogobera (talk) 19:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
What a bizarre case of circular referencing. The statement has been around pretty much from the Wikipedia article's conception, and an IP decides to attribute the claim to Apple, and uses a wrong link. Even then, as noted above, the page where the claim was made actually traces the claim to Wikipedia. Quite embarrassing for both websites, if you ask me. Dancter 20:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, an anon edit added, [[Apple]], fixed it to [[Apple Inc.]], and then added the reference link. It's either a somewhat creative vandal or an editor who doesn't quite get the idea of sourcing. Since the editor claims to have "fixed an error" by adding Apple, I lead toward the former. Either way, it's time to go back to how things were. — gogobera (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


Someone added a comment about the Iridium jazz club (the ONLY place to see Les Paul these days -- his Monday gig is not only well known but quite an accomplishment at age 93). It got reverted for lack of a source. So I added a link to a page that has tons of content. Not linkspam, since the whole point was to provide support for text someone ELSE added! What happened to assuming good faith? Oblivy (talk) 03:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a non-notable club, which would make it linkspam. However, Katharineamy makes the excellent point that it shows he is still performing at 93, which is notable. Edward321 (talk) 23:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I moved the information up into the section that already talked about the iridium gig (which maybe should have been done in the first place). Think this is a reasonable resolution, but feel free to disagree/change.Oblivy (talk) 02:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll weigh in that this gig is worthwhile information for inclusion. Even if the subject were to die tomorrow, the fact that he maintained a regular nightly public gig into his 90s would deserve inclusion, and I think it would be informative rather than commercial to mention which club the gig was in. A number of other notable musicians have come to see Paul perform at Iridium Nightclub, e.g. Paul McCartney. Robert K S (talk) 18:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Couple of things..[edit]

First, I noticed some weasel words in the text, but as I haven't been editing the article, I left it alone. Second, shouldn't the Epiphone company get more than a sentence mention? Gibson has a big part in the guitar, but aside from Epiphone makes models that are cheaper (or something like that), there's no real mention. I couldn't figure out what to do with some signature Les Paul guitars, like the Slash 2008 Gold body Les Paul. I put it in the Honors section, since I couldn't figure out what else to do with it. Can someone help with that? Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 10:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the Slash sections you added don't have a relevance to Les Paul. Also, those sections were repetitive, poorly written and sounded promotional to me. That material, in a more trim and slim format, would be appropriate at the Slash page or the Epiphone page, but not here at Les Paul. I removed the sections. Binksternet (talk) 12:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Birth name[edit]

"His birth name [of Polfuss] was first simplified by his mother to Polfuss". Eh? Isidore (talk) 20:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, it says at the top of the article he was born Polsfuss, with an s, so I guess the first sentence in the Biography section: "He was born in Waukesha, Wisconsin to George and Evelyn Polfuss.[2]" has a typo. Reference [2] only talks about Polfuss, though. Isidore (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

This was a time where surname spelling was not set in stone and many immigrants simplified their names over the years. If the mother did it, she got her in-laws to change their name, too. Questors (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Les Paulveriser[edit]

The short section on this, I believe, needs a rewrite. The more research I do on this subject the more I come to the conclusion that the whole thing was an elaborate fake/hoax. The 2 commonly seen video clips (both on youtube), when examined carefully, show quite clearly that the phrases he plays are actually nothing like the phrases that play back to him afterwards. Take the "drumming" he does on the guitar strings. This actually starts partway through the phrase but when the "Les Paulveriser" plays it back, the drumming starts immediately, ie right at the beginning of the phrase.

Also, the chords he plays are slightly different from what gets played back.

In one particular section the "device" starts to play back before he has swtiched it on!

In one invertew Mr Paul almost (seemingly) admits that the "invention" was device used to *explain* how he could play 2 guitar parts at once, as opposed to a device to actually allow this to happen.

I don't wish to take anything way from Mr Paul as he did a lot regarding the initial introduction of the instrument (guitar) but I think this matter needs clearing up.

Anyone up to the task? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I've rewritten it to reflect the fact that it is actually a hoax and that the device didn't actually exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I see this section is back stating the device exists and even to how it worked but no citations. It did NOT exist. The technology simply did not exist in those days. Another Wikipedia "fact" joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:13, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Big Band & Jazz Hall of Fame Foundation[edit]

I took out the mention of Paul being inducted into the Big Band & Jazz Hall of Fame Foundation's Big Band & Jazz Hall of Fame in 1990. This organization, based in the relatively empty north half of San Diego County, California, is not prominent enough to make their recognition of Paul noteworthy. To me, it looks like an active big band grew out of the foundation or vice versa, muddying the waters regarding what the org's mission is. Are they about getting gigs and preserving the big band experience or are they about hosting awards ceremonies and reaching out with education about the inductees? I don't know. The band's current website, is a recognizable descendant of the Foundation's old website but there is no longer any mention of the Hall of Fame. It appears as if they stopped supporting the institution.

Just in case anybody wants to see who else this non-profit org nominated for their Hall of Fame, here's an archived list of inductees from 1978 to 2004, a snapshot from 2005 near the end of the domain's usage by them. Their old URL,, was lost to a domain squatter, so only the archived versions of the old website are available.

Bottom line is, I don't think this particular Hall of Fame is a strong enough entry for placement here on the Les Paul page. Binksternet (talk) 01:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Needs work badly[edit]

This article is full of hear-say and uncited material.It should be cleaned up or pulled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Section with quotes from others[edit]

I deleted this section added by Master of Puppets, as it is not encyclopedic standing alone as it does, and against the hidden note at the top of the section, the quotes are not actually necessary to establish Paul's notability. Any of the quotes that people would like to keep should be worked into other sections where the presence of the quote makes sense chronologically or in terms of subject matter. Binksternet (talk) 02:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

They're not there to establish his notability, but the notability of his death. How else do you suggest we gauge public reaction to this? There are barely any articles on it or interviews with celebrities. The quotes are the only information we've got. Though next time it would probably be a better idea to check here first before deleting... :P Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 03:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
What is the "notability of his death"? The best way to use these quotes is to work them into article text, to wrap contextual prose around the ones that have a context. Binksternet (talk) 03:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Work them into the article text? How? You'd turn it into an obituary if you did. The quotes will be gone after we've got enough material for a sturdier section; for now, they're needed (and aren't standing alone) to establish reaction to his death. Without them it seems like nobody's responded. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 03:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
How is it not an obituary with the quotes? Binksternet (talk) 03:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
As I've said before, the quotes are the only thing right now we have in the sense of the reaction of the community. You'll find them in every magazine or newspaper press release. They're inevitable because it happened today. Not including them seems silly, to me at least. Also, if they're only in one section then they're not filling up the whole article. We'll remove them after a few days. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 03:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not down with an addition that is intended to last only a short while. I'm no fan of recentism—I try to edit for the long haul. I don't think we need a sense of the reaction of the community to his death. Instead, we should have more of people's responses to what he did in life. Binksternet (talk) 03:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It wouldn't be recentism - his death, and community reaction to it, is encyclopedic and important to note. Again, the usage of quotes would be best. We can improve the life section, too, of course. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 03:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Anyone could quell an argument regarding is notability in general by drawing one's attention to the fact that many people "invented" and "built" and "played" solid body electric guitars and experimented with overdubbing and multitracking long before Les Paul did, he was merely one of the first who were noticed through making it commercially viable/successful/popular. There are countless others who unarguably did far more for SBEGs and recording techniques than he. Nick carson (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
There's nothing talking about whether he invented them or proving his notability in this section... Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 14:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
As a further reply to Binksternet; notice the very prominent usage of quotes in news publications right now as the only view of gauging artist tribute; BBC News and NME, for example. Every other publication just gives a history of his life, which is dandy and everything, but there's no attention paid to the reaction to his death and how this is affecting things. Unless I've gone insane, I think that's got encyclopedic importance. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 14:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


Why no mention of his offspring? He had four kids, two of whom he had with his first wife Virginia, who is also unmentioned. -- (talk) 03:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Born/died symbols[edit]

Why is there an asterisk and a cross in this article's born/died line? (* June 9, 1915; † August 13, 2009) I have not changed it since I am unsure if it actually means anything beyond someone's effort to emphasize the dates. (talk) 10:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe that the cross is a traditional European way of denoting DoD--Phyllis1753 (talk) 12:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia convention is" (b June 9, 1915; d August 13, 2009). Nick carson (talk) 12:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
English Wikipedia convention is (June 9, 1915 - August 13, 2009). Information yes (talk) 17:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Tributes in 'death' section[edit]

This information is irrelevant, one can be assured there are many guitarists out there sending tributes via all sorts of mechanisms, why should we focus on Rolling Stone Magazine as the medium and the famous guitarists listed as the tributaries? This is very nearly merely blatant advertising and I have removed the content. Nick carson (talk) 12:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, Rolling Stone is a premier and internationally-recognized source for music news. That's not advertising, that's fact, and that's why we accept it as a reliable source. You could use any other source (in fact, I did) in the same manner, though; I just chose Rolling Stone to further signify the notability. People are very keen on reading into things these days, aren't they? :P Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 14:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


"His attorney stated to the media that Paul had been "in and out of the hospital at least 9000 times" because of illness." - so this means he had been in and out of hospital OVER 9000 times... -- Jimbo —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Hall of Fame[edit]

The article claims that Paul and Ford were inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 1978, but from what I've been able to find, the HoF is for specific recordings, not people. The duo are in with "How High the Moon", but that's in 1979. Am I missing something? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


The article currently states that Paul was Jewish, using this website source, but I don't think it's all that reliable - dated August 13, 2009, the writer could well have just copied the Wikipedia page (and I don't see any older sources state that Paul was Jewish). The 2003 book "Famous Wisconsin Musicians" by Susan Masino (and with a forward by Paul himself) mentions Paul's attendance at church socials (Pg. 9-11). It also states that his mother was related to the founders of Stutz Bearcat and Valentin Blatz, founder of the Valentin Blatz Brewing Company, who wasn't Jewish. I think Paul was just of non-Jewish German background (the fairly long family history here doesn't mention a Jewish background). All Hallow's (talk) 04:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

There are many refs from jewish sources as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Your cite only says that the father was "Prussian" and emigrated to the US via Germany. He may or may nothave been Jewish. His mother probably wasn't Jewish, but about the father---who knows!

The cite you removed said "Lester William Polsfuss, the son of a Jewish-Prussian family in Wisconsin." Stop removing citations. (talk) 13:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

The Log[edit]

I heard a description of this on NPR yesterday, and was hoping to find an image of it here. Is it worthy of an image, given it was his first Solid body guitar? ThuranX (talk) 06:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. It was the first electric guitar, period, I believe. If a usable image can be found, it would improve the article. Jusdafax (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

What? It wasn't the first electric guitar by many, many years. It was almost a decade after other companies were already selling them in shops never mind messing around trying to get one working. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Order of Names[edit]

Why is Slash listed before rock legends like Jimmy Page and Pete Townshend in this article? That just looks silly - like it was written by somebody with a Slash agenda. (talk) 09:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)GD

Rolling Stone accolade[edit]

I added Les Paul's inclusion in Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time as a tribute only to see it immediately reverted as "too promotional." However, I see a clear indication herein (re quotes from the magazine upon his death) that Rolling Stone is a recognized and respected source. On this basis, and because I find it significant, I will reinsert the statement (slightly reworded) within the next hour or so unless I see a better argument against it on this page in the interim. (talk) 01:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's a six-week-old thread that was my basis for taking out your recent addition: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_12. Many of the arguments expressed apply here. Nothing personal, man. Cheers! Binksternet (talk) 01:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


I deleted the list of tributes because the three articles cited did not support at least 8 names (out of 23) including Townshend, Clapton, Page, Anastasio, May, and The Edge. I haven't checked them all, but this list has become a magnet for random namedropping (as in today's Zakk Wylde tag). If I'm mistaken please let me know. The articles do support the quotes so I moved them. Oblivy (talk) 00:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Good move. :-)
Binksternet (talk) 05:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Date of Death[edit]

Les Paul's date of death has been an issue over time on his page, but editors seem to have settled on August 12th based on the official website [[1]] and a photo of the brass plate on his coffin. The problem seems to be that the New York Times obituary gives his date of death as "Thursday [August 13th]." [[2]] I think the 12th is the right date, but wanted to make a note in light of the recent edit by User: and reversion. Oblivy (talk) 14:27, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Additional support for date of death as August 12: Les Paul Foundation (set up by Les Paul) -- "August 12 is the second anniversary of the passing of the original guitar hero, Les Paul." [1] CNN -- "anniversary of Les Paul's death on August 12" [2] Oblivy (talk) 04:10, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Broken Records Paragraph[edit]

Noted the new paragraph on a broken records interview. This doesn't seem to fit wikipedia's standards, for a few reasons including (1) non-notable publication, (2) no citation/verification of the "last cover story," and (3) written like an advert for the article. It's also misplaced in the article. Am considering removing from the article but would like to give others a chance to weigh in first. Oblivy (talk) 02:10, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Missing text?[edit]

There's a clear missing paragraph in the Guitar Builder section, between the first and second para.... when did Gibson morph from "no interest" into "the arrangement persisted"? I don't know the answer else I'd fix it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

incomplete sentence[edit]

"Paul was the of rock guitarist Steve Miller of the Steve Miller Band, to whom Paul gave his first guitar lesson."[66]

I'm not sure what the contributor is trying to say here, but it doesnt make sense. Paul was the ??? of rock guitarist? Jtagchair (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC).

Les Paul did not invent the 8-track recorder[edit]

I have just rewritten the multi-track recording section of the Les Paul page to correct a popular myth that Les Paul commissioned Ampex to build the original 8-track recorder. He did not even if he liked to tell the story. If you read:

[Sel-sync and the "Octopus": How Came to be the First Recorder to Minimize Successive Copying in Overdubs]

You will see that Ampex came up with the idea and shopped it around and Les Paul was the only person to respond:

"... Walter Goldsmith ... sent proposals for such a machine to as many as twelve recording artists. Bob's memory is that only Paul responded at first"

(Third to last paragraph on page 211)

Robert.Harker (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Roger Nichols Photo[edit]

I question whether this photo adds anything to the Les Paul page. Nichols' page does include the photo of Les so it would still be available online. Is there a material working or personal connection between the two? This page doesn't mention him, and Nichols' page doesn't mention Les Paul. Oblivy (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The connection, as the photo of Les Paul and Roger Nichols notes in the included caption, is that both have been awarded the unusual and highly notable audio honor of the Special Merit/Technical Grammy Award - awarded to very few people, including Leo Fender, Geoff Emerick, Tom Dowd, Ray Dolby and even Thomas Alva Edison. Some got the award while still living and some, like Edison, Dowd and Nichols, were awarded this rare Grammy posthumously. I placed the photo way down in the article in the awards section, since it seemed appropriate there, also in a section of the article with few photos in either direction. Naturally, if consensus is reached here on removing the photo on the grounds that it doesn't "add anything", that can be done. Given that I have worked on both men's articles (this article's third paragraph in the lead is my contribution), it seemed like a nice touch. The last photo in Les Paul's WP article is one of him with a pianist whose Wikipedia article has been tagged as needing sources for several years, as it seems to only have one. Should we ask if this photo should be removed as well? He is not mentioned in the article either. Jusdafax 11:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
John Colianni is mentioned earlier in the article (there are two spellings, resulting in an inconsistency in the article at the moment). He was Les's accompanist during his gigs at the Iridium. Moreover, the photo clearly showcases Les in a happy and vital moment.Oblivy (talk) 16:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
I do see Les Paul's late career musical sideman mentioned on second look, but you fail to discuss the merits of my argument about the Technical Grammy Award both Nichols and Les Paul have received for their work. I say it suits the "Awards" section of the Les Paul article just fine. As for "happy and vital", while it is not clear exactly where the shot I have posted was taken, the ID badge Nichols is wearing indicates it is an industry trade show of some kind, and Paul looks happy there too, for what it's worth. Additionally, I find the new photo has considerable value as the only shot of Paul standing post-accident without a guitar, showing clearly the permanent angle his arm was set at. But enough. Happy to await consensus on the photo you question. We obviously disagree, so let us await fresh views. Jusdafax 21:15, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. If the goal is to highlight how special it is that Les Paul won a special grammy award, maybe that can be done in the text? It would put the photo into context.Oblivy (talk) 03:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Done Thanks, I have framed the Tech Grammy largely with the Recording Academy's own description. It seems a clear improvement to the section to me; see what you think. Happy to work on it further if you like, but I think it has a good balance now. Jusdafax 09:32, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Guitar Builder Changes[edit]

I cut the second half of the first sentence in this section. It claimed Paul made significant contributions to the design. He did not. Depending on the source, he had from two to zero design contributions. One was supposedly the tail piece, and another the operating direction of the bridge/neck pickup selector switch. Other "contributions" were only cosmetic, such as his suggestion to make it black "like a tuxedo" because it would look "more expensive". The zero contribution comes from Ted McCarty, designer of the instrument and president of Gibson, and relates to the second part of the edited line. The last statement was that the guitar was named "in his honor". It was not. It was named for him as a commercial endorsement for which he received payment. Using someone's name in order to profit yourself and them is not doing so in their honor. McCarty claimed this arrangement was Paul's sole "contribution". Discussion of the contributions and my justification for this edit come from Should the referenced material be further refined, so should this section.

I added a paragraph at the end of this section, regarding Paul being the developer of the headless guitar. This was rewritten from (and references) the Les Paul Foundation's history pages. It includes a link to Steinberger guitars. Although it references a commercial entity and ignores other companies that have produced guitars of this design, in the absence of a generic "headless guitar" page, it is the best description of headless guitars available here. And it is used because the Steinberger is, as stated in the added material, the most successful development of the design.

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