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Type of Expedition[edit]

Can we keep this list to expedition's of utility; educational, scientific research, etc.

Soviet expeditions?[edit]

This list doesn't cover any Soviet Antarctic Expeditions. For example, between 1955 and 1975 there were 20 of them (the first Soviet Antarctic Expedition was held in 1955-1957) - the list in Russian is available here

Surprisingly, not even a single of those expeditions is mentioned in the article. Perhaps one day I'll add some info. I suppose, that English sources exist too. Everybody is welcome to contribute to this "unexplored field". Cmapm 15:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Rather than constantly complaining about what is not in the article why don't you get off your A$$ and add something ?! Cordially SirIsaacBrock 15:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Please try and remain civil. A constructive comment is not a complaint. - FrancisTyers 16:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm involved into other topics now and have no time for this so far. I just wanted to say, that the list is not comprehensive by far. As I know, this is not prohibited in Wikipedia. BTW, personal attacks are prohibited. Please, stop them. Perhaps you should consider the refactoring possibility. Cmapm 16:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Some photos that might be {{PD-Soviet}} and more information here. - FrancisTyers 17:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Soviet expeditions[edit]

Thanks for your reply. You are right, just a remark about the translation: "Pervaya"-> "First", "Vtoraya"-> "Second" etc. Leadership is in the column "Руководство" of that table. Sorry, I'm reading a very interesting article Planetary habitability now :) and will reply again much later. Cheers! Cmapm 16:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, I should have realised that :)) - FrancisTyers 16:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Right I've done a few, I'll leave the rest here to fill in another day, unless someone else would like to do the honours - preferably a Russian speaker, its hard finding the full names of the explorers :) - FrancisTyers 17:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Have you noticed that these Russian expeditions are not numerical, do you know if these are the correct names ? Why not do some research and add them in numerical order starting with the year of the first expedition and build up from that point, instead of ad hoc ? Cordially SirIsaacBrock 17:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
How do you mean they are not numerical? I had the first, second, third etc. but I found the leaders of those so I moved them into the article (see article page). Regarding the correct names, these are the names that were on the site that Cmapm kindly provided. If you doubt my translations of the names I would encourage you to seek a second opinion, but I'm confident they are correct. - FrancisTyers 18:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see, you mean I got one out of order, ok, I just fixed that, any other suggestions? Sorry I missed that! :) - FrancisTyers 18:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello Francis, r u unable to count 6th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th etc... we seem to be missing 1st to 5th 7th to 9th and 13th. Under the Wikipedia rules I am requesting that you provide an academic citation for each of the entries you have put on the list. A citation from an unconfirmed third party website particularly in a language other than English would not be adequate. I have moved this list to an article called List of Russian Antarctica expeditions this can be merged with the main article once someone decides to perform adequate research and write articles on these nebulus expeditions. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 18:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your reply, in response, the ones above that are missing are now in the main article (as I mentioned above). I will happily provide citations for these expeditions. Please do not move them to List of Russian Antarctica expeditions as this is a misnomer. In response, yes I am able to count, in more than one language! :) Perhaps we should move the other red links off the article too? - FrancisTyers 18:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Anything in Red I can provide a citation for, I will be happy to provide once I see your stuff. SirIsaacBrock 18:40, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead :) - FrancisTyers 19:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Right, thats a few of them cited. If you feel so inclined, feel free to move the ones with {{fact}} tags on onto this page. I will see about sourcing those later. Hope this helps! I really think that the article by Bozcek covers most of them though by specifying that in 1984 there had been 28 expeditions. If you are happy to use this as a reference I will cite the rest of them and include them, if not, then as I said, I'll take a look later. :) - FrancisTyers 19:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

References[edit]

  • Fifth - Eds. (1960) "The Record" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 126, No. 2 (Jun., 1960), pp. 248-255
  • Sixth - Gillmor, C. S. (1994) "Science and Travel in Extreme Latitudes" in The History of Science Society. (Chicago : The University of Chicago Press)
  • Tenth - Eds. (1965) "The Record" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 131, No. 2. (Jun., 1965), pp. 303-307
  • Twelfth - Sen′ko, P. K. (1967) "Seasonal work of the twelfth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (November 5, 1966-May 11, 1967)" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition, Vol. 7, pp. 53-58.
  • Thirteenth - Kozlov, A. I. and Fedorov, B. A. (1971) "Radar Sounding of Antarctic Glaciers in the Summer of 1967/8" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition Information Bulletin, Vol. 7, No. 3. (Jan., 1971), pp. 208-212
  • Fourteenth - Kornilov N. A. (1971) "The fourteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition. General description" in Trudy Sovetskoi Antarkticheskoi Ekspeditsii (Work of the Soviet Antarctic Expedition), 57, 8-98.
  • Sixteenth - Petrov, I. G. (1973) "Investigations conducted by the Sixteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition Information Bulletin pp. 5-13. 1973

General[edit]

"So far, 28 Soviet Antarctic Expeditions have taken place, each year growing in the quantity of personnel and equipment, and in the scope of scientific enquiry"
  • Boczek, B. A. (1984) "The Soviet Union and the Antarctic Regime" in The American Journal of International Law, Vol. 78, No. 4 (Oct., 1984), pp. 834-858

Thanks[edit]

That's the way you do it !! Cordially SirIsaacBrock 20:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I'll see about writing some stub articles for those expeditions too. :) - FrancisTyers 20:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Great amount of work, but overreferencing should be avoided[edit]

I move all references here and replace them just by two ones, one of which is to the 3-volume monograph in Russian, covering 1st SAE to 40th RAE. BTW, surprisingly, it is available "online" through Google's cache and I can look for any inf. there except images. Another one is a periodical in English. I also add a link to inf. about some SAE from the British Antarctic Society and remove "fact" tags, no more need when referenced, like e.g. inf. "in red" about German expeditions. I'll do more work on the list, including leaders and other expeditions later.

  1. ^ Eds. (1974) "Obituary: Mikhail Mikhaylovich Somov" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 140, No. 2 (Jun., 1974), p. 354
  2. ^ Eds. (1960) "The Record" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 126, No. 2 (Jun., 1960), pp. 248-255
  3. ^ Eds. (1960) "The Record" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 126, No. 2 (Jun., 1960), pp. 248-255
  4. ^ Simonov, I. M. (1971) "Oases of East Antarctica" in Gidrometeoizdat (Leningrad)
  5. ^ Eds. (1965) "The Record" in The Geographical Journal. Vol. 131, No. 2. (Jun., 1965), pp. 303-307
  6. ^ Nepomnyashchi, A. (1968) "Russians in the Antarctic" in Artic. Vol. 21, no. 3, (Sept. 1968), pp. 204-205
  7. ^ Sen′ko, P. K. (1967) "Seasonal work of the twelfth Soviet Antarctic Expedition (November 5, 1966-May 11, 1967)" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition, Vol. 7, pp. 53-58.
  8. ^ Kozlov, A. I. and Fedorov, B. A. (1971) "Radar Sounding of Antarctic Glaciers in the Summer of 1967/8" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition Information Bulletin, Vol. 7, No. 3. (Jan., 1971), pp. 208-212
  9. ^ Kornilov N. A. (1971) "The fourteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition. General description" in Trudy Sovetskoi Antarkticheskoi Ekspeditsii (Work of the Soviet Antarctic Expedition), 57, 8-98.
  10. ^ Petrov, I. G. (1973) "Investigations conducted by the Sixteenth Soviet Antarctic Expedition" in Soviet Antarctic Expedition Information Bulletin pp. 5-13. 1973

Cmapm 22:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, its looking good, now to fill in those redlinks :) - FrancisTyers 02:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

rename?[edit]

Shouldn't the title of this article be List of Antarctic expeditions as seeing as Antarctic is the adjective? Otherwise it should be List of Expeditions to Antarctica. You wouldn't write List of Germany Expeditions? Come to think of it, it's probably preferable to call the article List of Expeditions to Antarctica otherwise is could be misconstrued as being expeditions from Antarctica, as in German expeditions (to...) Anyone agree? Or am I just being overly fussy? Iancaddy 23:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

No I think Antarctica is the name of the Continent, so this would be the appropriate name. Antarctic is the name of a zone not a continent SirIsaacBrock 02:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's also the adjective for the continent, and like Iancaddy said, it's illiterate to speak of "Europe expeditions". But this article covers a wide swath beyond the continent, even including expeditions to South Africa and the Cape of Good Hope, so I don't see how any title could make sense except for "List of Antarctic expeditions". 69.239.236.37 15:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

expedition not listed[edit]

Japanese Antarctic Research Expedition (JARE). 1968-1969. Dr. Muriyama (spelling?) of the University of Tokyo led. Spent 3 days at the Admundsen-Scott Station (South Pole Station) for Christmas of 1968. They partied so hard, they drove over the horizon the next day, stopped, and rested for a day. They had much nicer boots than the American "Mickey Mouse" boots. A book (in English) was published covering the expedition's research and discoveries.

Source: Author's interview with Lt. Commander B. Jay Bowman*, USN, retired, December 2007

  • Then Lieutenant Bowman was Officer-in-Charge of the Pole Station, 1968-1969 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.137.7.199 (talk) 14:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Operation Deep Freeze[edit]

Only the first Operation Deep Freeze mission is listed, yet there were two more (at least). — Loadmaster 01:00, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Nimrod Confusion[edit]

Shackleton did not reach the South Magnetic Pole at 88.23'S on 16th January 1909. He did get to that latitude, on 9th January 1909, while attempting to reach the geographic pole. The South Magnetic Pole was reached on 16th Jan at 72.25'S, on the same expedition, by Prof. Edgworth David. I have made the necessary correction.Brianboulton (talk) 18:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

And Shackleton's name shouldn't be on the Discovery Expedition entry. He wasn't the leader and anyway stopped just short of the Furthest South. I've deleted himBrianboulton (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Map of early expeditions and definition of "Antarctic expedition"[edit]

Hi, I translated and modified the French map on the same subject and created File:File-Expeditions in Antarctica before 1897.png. Questions, comments, suggestions are welcome. I'd like to draw the routes of the expeditions mentioned in the legend box but don't have any sources. Maybe you have? bamse (talk) 00:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest adding the 1675 voyage of Anthony de la Roché who visited the island of South Georgia, making the first ever actual discovery of Antarctic land. An approximate route of that voyage is given in File:Roche-Route.PNG. Best, Apcbg (talk) 08:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I have a general question concerning the definition of Antarctic land or Antarctic expedition. The list seems to include expeditions as far north as 40° S which I would not associate with Antarctica. South Georgia is at about the same latitude as Tierra del Fuego, which had been discovered before 1675. Also, the South Georgia article does not speak of "Antarctic land". So the question is, where to draw the line. I can see three natural borders for what should be included in Antarctic land/expeditions:
  1. Antarctic mainland only
  2. Antarctic Circle (would not include parts of the Antarctic peninsula)
  3. 60° S as in the proposed map, which is also the limit of the Southern/Antarctic Ocean and includes all of the Antarctic peninsula
Please correct me, or let me know if this has been discussed before. I chose 60° S for the map to have a reasonable amount of expeditions (not too few, not too many) in the map and because it includes all of the Antarctic mainland. For another map on later expeditions it might be more suitable to draw the line further south. bamse (talk) 13:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
60° S is a political boundary introduced by the Antarctic Treaty not the natural boundary of the Antarctic region which comprises both the Antarctic mainland and the adjacent islands and waters. The natural boundary of the Antarctic region is the Antarctic Convergence which runs north of South Georgia but south of Tierra del Fuego. Some Wikis (Belarussian, Bulgarian, Norwegian, Polish, Russian, Ukrainian) have distinct articles for the Antarctic continent proper and for the wider Antarctic region bounded by the Convergence. Therefore, expeditions south of the Antarctic Convergence (such as that of Anthony de la Roché) should be included in the map. Apcbg (talk) 16:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I see. In the French version of the map (from which I derived this map) it seemed as if the Antarctic Convergence is exactly on 50° S. Maybe that's what confused me. It makes sense to define Antarctic like this for the purpose of expeditions. However, some of the early expeditions (Magellan, Vasco da Gama, etc.) should not go into the list then. As for the map, I will include Anthony de la Roché. Do you have a route map in azimuthal projection? Since it is already quite crowded in the Drake Street, maybe I rather put the expedition in the box. What do you think? bamse (talk) 17:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Please find a (rough) route of la Roché's voyage shown on a copy of your map at File:Expeditions-in-Antarctica-Roche.png, hope this helps. As for the earlier expeditions of Magellan, Vasco da Gama etc., those are not Antarctic expeditions really and need not be included. Apcbg (talk) 19:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool, thanks a lot! With the next update of the svg-version, there will be la Roché's voyage in the map. As for Magellan, etc. I was rather referring to the list... bamse (talk) 21:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Updated the map. bamse (talk) 21:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Well done! Best, Apcbg (talk) 22:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
P.S. It might be worth checking the Fram Museum map for the verification of some expedition routes such as that of James Clark Ross who is shown in your French map source as having sailed throughout the Ross Ice Shelf :-) Apcbg (talk) 15:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe he used an Icebreaker. :-) Seriously, thanks for the tip. I will compare the routes. In any case his route should not go further than 78°S. bamse (talk) 16:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I left a message on the talk page of the original map's author. According to the file description he used a French book as a source. bamse (talk) 16:49, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
This is fixed : no icebreaker, nor carrier :). According to the French book itself, the Ross'maximum point is 77°10' (not according to its map). Fram museum seems to be a little bit more precise. Bourrichon (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you might wish to add la Roché's route in your French map (he was half-French after all :-)). Apcbg (talk) 21:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
I have put the map in the article, it surely is more relevant than the former one showing territorial claims. As for the location of the Antarctic Convergence and the definition of 'Antarctic' see the new article Antarctica (region). Apcbg (talk) 16:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I still have plans to expand the map, to show more routes. It will take some time though. bamse (talk) 17:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
And then it would be nice to have a similar map for the principal post-1897 expeditions, both English and French versions, and why not German too? Best, Apcbg (talk) 21:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, by tomorrow. Shall I also draw the distribution of penguins in the same map? ;-) Seriousy, it would be nice to have such a map of course. The next map should cover the golden age and could be a bit more zoomed in, showing just the mainland. Too busy at the moment, so it's not going to happen within the next few months I am afraid. If somebody else wants to do it, go ahead! bamse (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
There is a possibly relevant map in German Wikipedia - File:Karte antarktis2 exp.png, although the selection of expeditions is not exactly what is needed here, and some expedition routes might need verification; surely Shackleton did not just skirt the Ross Ice Shelf but went all the way to the South Pole vicinity in 1908 as seen e.g. from File:SouthPole-Map comparing Amundsen-Shackleton.jpg. Apcbg (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

More on definitions[edit]

Hey, if I plan an Antarctic cruise, does that make it an expedition? We should probably restrict this list to stayovers on the continent with the intention of producing serious scientific or cultural work. We don't need a list of bored jet-setters who've been everywhere else. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)