Talk:List of Cyrillic letters

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List of Latin Letters looks nicer[edit]

Is there any chance of getting this organized like the, much nicer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_letters ? There's really no need to include the languages in this article; you can find that info on the article for the letter itself.

Actually (as mentioned in Talk:Cyrillic alphabet), this table would be a great place to show the IPA for the letter pronunciation, which varies by language and so requires the full table.Jackrepenning (talk) 21:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
See Alphabets derived from the Latin. The list of Cyrillic letters here was inspired from that article. - Hello World! 13:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Well it seems that should be changed as well. It would definitely be more informative with IPA. BalkanFever 09:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

IPA instead of redundant letters[edit]

As mentioned above and at Talk:Cyrillic alphabet#The Sounds?, in the table we should have the sound represented by each letter in each language (using IPA) instead of just repeating the letters multiple times. BalkanFever 23:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to do this inside my computer, but that is a hard job. In my first discovery, these 6 letters Җ җ, Ӂ ӂ, Ҷ ҷ, Ҹ ҹ, Ӌ ӌ, Џ џ, bear the same sound /ʤ/ like an English j. -- Hello World! 10:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, those Soviet non-Slavic speakers obviously don't communicate with each other :) BalkanFever 10:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
There are several difficulties in do this - (1) while some sounds are allophones for a particular language, they may be two distinct sounds in another. (2) iotation. Is a Russian д equal to д in Turkic languages? (3) lack of information especially about Uralic, northeastern and northwestern Turkic languages. Info on the web is only contributed by several people, thus lacking peer review for their accuracies. -- Hello World! 17:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds for European languages[edit]

Am I right in making the following table? (Starts with Slavic and Moldovan first)

IPA ru be uk rue bg sr mk mo
a Аа Аа Аа Аа Аа Аа Аа Аа
b Бб Бб Бб Бб Бб Бб Бб Бб
v Вв Вв Вв Вв Вв Вв Вв Вв
g Гг   Ґґ Ґґ Гг Гг Гг Гг
d Дд Дд Дд Дд Дд Дд Дд Дд
je Ее Ее Єє Єє       Ее
jo Ёё Ёё            
ʒ Жж Жж Жж Жж Жж Жж Жж Жж
z Зз Зз Зз Зз Зз Зз Зз Зз
i Ии Ии Іі Іі Ии Ии Ии Ии
j Йй Йй Йй Йй Йй Јј Јј Йй
k Кк Кк Кк Кк Кк Кк Кк Кк
l Лл Лл Лл Лл Лл Лл Лл Лл
m Мм Мм Мм Мм Мм Мм Мм Мм
n Нн Нн Нн Нн Нн Нн Нн Нн
ɔ Оо Оо Оо Оо Оо Оо Оо Оо
p Пп Пп Пп Пп Пп Пп Пп Пп
r Рр Рр Рр Рр Рр Рр Рр Рр
s Сс Сс Сс Сс Сс Сс Сс Сс
t Тт Тт Тт Тт Тт Тт Тт Тт
u Уу Уу Уу Уу Уу Уу Уу Уу
f Фф Фф Фф Фф Фф Фф Фф Фф
x Хх Хх Хх Хх Хх Хх Хх Хх
ʦ Цц Цц Цц Цц Цц Цц Цц Цц
ʧ Чч Чч Чч Чч Чч Чч Чч Чч
ʃ Шш Шш Шш Шш Шш Шш Шш Шш
ʃt         Щщ      
ʃt͡ʃ   [шч] Щщ Щщ        
ɕɕ Щщ              
(Note) Ъъ     Ъъ        
ɨ Ыы Ыы   Ыы       Ыы
ʲ Ьь   Ьь Ьь Ьь     Ьь
e Ээ Ээ Ее Ее Ее Ее Ее  
ju Юю Юю Юю Юю Юю     Юю
ja Яя Яя Яя Яя Яя     Яя
ji     Її Її        
ʤ           Џџ Џџ Ӂӂ
ʣ             Ѕѕ  
ʥ           Ђђ Ѓѓ  
ɣ   Гг            
ɦ     Гг Гг        
ɲ           Њњ Њњ  
ʨ           Ћћ Ќќ  
w   Ўў            
ʎ           Љљ Љљ  
ə               Ээ
ɤ         Ъъ      
ɪ   Ьь Ии Ии        
ʏ       Ёё        

Note: ъ is used as a glottal stop ʔ in many other languages. What should be filled in? -- Hello World! 19:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Щ = /ʃt͡ʃ/ (Ukrainian, Rusyn), /ʃt/ (Bulgarian, Romanian).
By the way, the combined digraph characters like ʣ, ʧ, ʨ, etc, are deprecated in IPA, because they don't want to keep adding new glyphs as more digraphs are discovered. All digraphs are correctly represented as separate characters, joined with a tie bar /t͡ʃ/. Because Windows' Arial Unicode MS font screws up the position of the tie bar, it is sometimes omitted. See IPA#Affricates and double articulation Michael Z. 2008-11-05 21:14 z
Note: "combined digraph characters" are called "ligatures"; the IPA section quoted has been renamed to IPA#Affricates and double articulated consonantsCoroboy (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
For Macedonian, Ќ = c, not tɕ, and Ѓ = ɟ, not dʑ. BalkanFever 06:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed "ro" to "mo" in this table, because the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet and Romanian Cyrillic alphabet are two different scripts. The Romanian isn't in the article at all, I'm guessing because it is not used at all any more. Or maybe we should add it? BalkanFever 06:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't include Romanian here—unused alphabets would be a lower priority, and a whole separate project. Michael Z. 2008-11-06 15:32 z
The code “mo” is being retired this month. Romanian Cyrillic alphabet is thus “ro-RO” and Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet will be “ro-MD”. Moreover, should we break the Щ row into two as the sound is different in Ukrainian and Bulgarian? Furthermore, what can be done if the two dialects of the same language has two different sounds? -- Hello World! 03:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Bulgarian and Ukrainian щ are already represented in the table in this article. If you're referring to the table above in this discussion, I'm not sure what that is intended for.
By the way, those are language codes: ro-RO is the Romanian language as spoken in Romania, right? Romanian in the Cyrillic alphabet would be represented by the script code ro-Cyrl, or if it used the old OCS orthography, then ro-Cyrs. Michael Z. 2008-11-10 06:28 z

Errors there![edit]

Table «Usage of letters in various languages» seems broken, cause of it's header is longer (has more columns) than body. First two rows («Language families» and «Alphabet») demostrate this: Slavic languages must include: ru be uk rue sr me bg mk me (there's a second "me", that seems to be an error) Other Indo-European: mo os tg Uralic: sjd mhr mrj udm kca Caucasian: ab kbd ce Other rows (rest of the table) seems to be correct. Colums on the bottom are also ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewboltachev (talkcontribs) 03:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

This «chaos» was originally caused by these edits:[edit]
And after that this edit was added, but it don't lead to fully correct state[edit]

So, I found possible replacing the first table («Usage of letters in various languages») with version just-before-first-«chaos edit». This is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Cyrillic_letters&diff=prev&oldid=345540961