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Season 9[edit]

Why is Season 9 put into the main season page and then it gets removed a couple hours? It's OFFICIAL dumbass leave it there! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.234.122.54 (talk) 00:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I think part of the problem is that it's included in the "Series Overview" and it's ghost linked to a new section that denotes where Season 9 should be, but since no one has actually deigned to create a new table for it just yet, it's like having an appendage that you feel like you have, but don't. But I suppose the problem will be taken care of in due time, what with the new season premiere debuting in a week. Homoaffectional (talk) 05:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Disagreement over episode numbers[edit]

I am starting a discussion here regarding the episode numbers of Degrassi: The Next Generation, and will request a WP:3O on the matter. I have been involved in a dispute with an IP editor (Special:Contributions/201.141.103.46, Special:Contributions/201.141.66.0, Special:Contributions/201.141.82.53, Special:Contributions/189.216.191.81) at Season 1, Season 2, Season 3, Season 4, Season 5, Season 6, and Season 7. It is here for centralization purposes, instead of having seven threads spread over seven talk pages.

My take is that hour long episodes are hour long episodes, and not two half-hour episodes which aired back-to-back. The IP disagrees. The episodes in question are:

  • "Mother and Child Reunion"
  • "When Doves Cry"
  • "White Wedding"
  • "Father Figure"
  • "Holiday"
  • "Ghost in the Machine"
  • "Here Comes Your Man"

When they were originally broadcast, the episodes had one opening title roll, and one closing title roll, rather than two (one for each half hour). At the iTunes store, these episodes are available to download as one-hour episodes (here's the link for the US store: [1])

When the episodes are shown in the US on syndication, the syndicator has edited them into 30 minute episodes for the purposes of timeslot constraints. (see the references at Degrassi: The Next Generation#Post-broadcast distribution) The IP says they are half-hour episodes on the DVDs, this I can't verify as I don't have them, but the DVDs were not done by Epitome Pictures, but by FUNimation Entertainment, a completely separate and independent company.

The main problem with renumbering the episodes is not in providing episode summaries, but that the final total is either 136 or 143, depending on which episode count is chosen.

I feel a third opinion is needed, cause all that is happening is we are reverting each others' edits. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 23:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

This type of thing must be pretty common throughout the history of television (or at least the last four decades): some episodes of a series being originally broadcast at double the normal length, then being broken into two parts for syndication. How do other Wikipedia articles deal with this, are they considered one episode or two? --Mathew5000 (talk) 20:01, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure. Can you think of any TV shows that do it so we can check? Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 20:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Following up, I just had a look at some Wikipedia articles related to Friends, and it seems that they treat hourlong episodes as two different episodes for purposes of counting the total number of episodes. See List of Friends episodes and compare, for example, The One with the Proposal — according to the latter article, this was “normally transmitted as a whole episode in a one hour slot, but when it is split for a half hour slot the episodes are differentiated by having the title suffixed with Part One and Part Two.” But the Wikipedia list of Friends episodes treats it as two separate episodes. That’s a bit surprising, but if it’s typical of Wikipedia TV episode lists, then I would say that the Degrassi articles should follow suit. But I haven’t looked at any examples other than Friends so I don't know whether there is any consistency on this point in Wikipedia. I don't see anything skimming Wikipedia:WikiProject Television or Wikipedia:Television episodes. --Mathew5000 (talk) 20:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the other show with “Next Generation” in its title, that list generally counts a continuous two-part episode (such as Encounter at Farpoint) as two episodes. This is the same policy used in List of Friends episodes. Also it seems that List of Star Trek: Voyager episodes does it the same way as List of Friends episodes. For example, Dark Frontier was aired as a single two-hour episode but the episode list treats it as two separate episodes. --Mathew5000 (talk) 20:40, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Seems like this has come up on the Lost episode list (which is featured). See Talk:List of Lost episodes, which refers to earlier archived discussion (that I haven’t looked at). However, it seems that the current version of that list is internally inconsistent because it treats the second and third season finales as single episodes (when each was two hours long) but the fourth season finale as two different episodes. --Mathew5000 (talk) 20:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe just post a query about this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. --Mathew5000 (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I feel that hour-long episodes should be counted as two episodes. Normal Degrassi episodes are 30 minutes long (with commercials), so it should only make sense that a special of an hour would be counted as two episodes. As well, the episodes are already listed as Part I and Part II, further splitting the hour-long 'sodes apart. What's more, when the episodes are re-aired on CTV, they are aired in 30-minute episodes, splitting the hour-long specials up. It just makes sense to have them counted as separate episodes (in my eyes, anyways). So yeah, that's my two cents. - k|e|n|g - t | c - 04:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Me wonders if that IP is a certain blocked user. Irregardless, if the episode initially aired as a one-hour episode, then it IS a one-hour episode, irregardless of whether it later airs as two 30 minute episodes, particularly in the case of a rebroadcast in another country and on another channel. All that should be needed is a note in the lead that X episode in this season is an hour-long ep that was later reaired in as two part eps. For the examples given, not that ST:TNG does list the first and last episodes (which was a two hour one) as a single episode because that is how it aired. I think its a good one and appropriately used here.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I wondered if the IP was her, but ARIN WHOIS says the IP is in Mexico, and she says she is in Canada. Without a WP:CHECKUSER, it would be hard to find out. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 04:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion: Hey. First, I'd go with the conventions that other articles are using. And I'd go with the way the show was originally aired. If the episode first aired as a full hour rather than two half hours, then add that in the comments somewhere. Either way, I added a request to the TV Wikiproject; you can see it here. Hope this helps. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, well the consensus is to treat them as half hour episodes, so I'll go with that. What about "White Wedding", "Mother and Child Reunion", and "Holiday" though, which were billed as "A Degrassi Special", which all featured irregular opening titles on their premiere broadcast and were one hour long, and have been split into regular 30 min episodes since, with regular opening titles? Again, I'm unsure of how they have been treated on the DVDs. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 04:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


Lead Section too long?[edit]

Since there is an entire separate article on this series, does the lead section for this list really need to be as long as it is? There should be SOME introduction, but I would think not more than a paragraph, and then a link back to the original article. - PianoDan (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The lead is in keeping with what is appropriate for an episode list. Readers should not have to go back to the main article to learn the basics about the episodes, and the lead here summarizes eight individual season lists. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for new layout of episode tables[edit]

During the WP:FLC for Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 7) (here), it was suggested that the episode table included columns for writers and directors. At the time I said that no other season had that info and it was included, albeit in the Crew section. It was agreed that it could be left as it is; now however, I have the writers and directors for every single episode so I can put the information into each season page and have them all look the same.

Also, during the recent FLC for List of The O.C. episodes (here), User:Bignole had strong opinions about production codes saying they mean nothing to the average reader who may click Random article and that they should be removed. He also said that the transcluding should be avoided because average IP editors may not know how to edit transcluded sections, and that if the information on the source page is wrong, it will also be wrong on the transcluded page.

I have no strong feelings with regard to transcluding or production codes, since in D:TNG's case, the codes are pretty straight forward. 506 is episode 6 of season 5. There is no deviation from this (as in 412 is not the prod code for the 12th produced episode but 15th to be aired.) As for adding writers and directors, I think this should be done. All the most recent episode lists promoted at FLC have had these columns; this seems to be current consensus. There is one issue though: because the tables have two columns for airdates, one for Canada, one for US, there isn't much room to add these columns. When I made the tables I included both because some episodes of seasons 6 and 7 premiered in the US and to make each season consistent I followed the same format on each season. In order to get rid of some space for writers and directors, we have 2 choices.. Give only the Original Canadian airdate since it is a Canadian show, or give the absolute Original airdate, noting where applicable that the date given is for the US.

I therefore propose the format/layout for the tables be as follows:

Season # Series # Title Director Writers Airdate
1 & 2 1 & 2 "Mother and Child Reunion"[1] Bruce McDonald Aaron Martin (story)
Yan Moore (story, teleplay)
14 October 2001
The students of Degrassi High are getting ready for their ten-year reunion party. Joey, recently widowed, is unsure if he wants to go, especially when he discovers his ex-girlfriend Caitlin is bringing her fiancé, Keith. Emma's internet boyfriend, Jordan, suggests they meet in person but her friends Manny, Toby and J.T. try to warn her of the potential danger in meeting someone from the internet.

Please say whether or not you think this is a positive way forward. If so I will implement the changes in about a week's time.

Thanks, Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 06:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm all for it; production codes really don't mean anything to the average viewer, thus it just makes sense to exclude them. One thing that I think we should change (if possible) is changing "Series #" to "Episode #". Also, I don't think it's necessary to put the season number in the table. I'm assuming that tables will appear on each season's respective article pages, and thus it's unnecessary to restate the season. Otherwise it looks great, makes sense, and you have my support with this. Kendra Michele — 18:03, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
"Season #" refers to what number the episode is placed within the season, not which actual season it is. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 00:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
So what does "Series #" stand for then? *confused* Kendra Michele — 00:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, "Redemption Song" in season 5, is the 10th episode of that season and the 91st episode of the series. So it is:
Season # Series # Title Canadian airdate U.S. airdate Production code
10 91 "Redemption Song" 21 November 2005 16 December 2005 510

Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 00:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that you explain it, it makes sense. But will everyone else understand it at first glance, too? Kendra Michele — 01:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I think so. It becomes more clear when you read the table as a whole. Matthewedwards (talk contribs  email) 01:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Section move[edit]

I'd like to propose we move the DVD information to below the episode listing. For one, a part from the LOE pages, it's generally standard practice among TV and Film articles to put DVD info last. This is a List of Episodes page, and not a List of DVDs page, so the first thing a reader should see should be the episodes. It's also a bit misleading to have it under "Series overview" (or something similar), because it isn't an overview or a summary. It's just a table for the DVD releases. I recently adjusted List of Smallville episodes to reflect that, moving the DVD info below the episodes under the new header of "Home video release", which is more appropriate given what it actually is. This isn't a major change, but I'd rather come to the talk pages of all the relevant LOE pages first.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Disagree here for the same reason I disagree on the Meerkat Manor list. "Series overview" is NOT misleading, it does exactly that: gives a summary of the season airdates, episode counts, and wher applicable major DVD releases of season sets. It is a standard practice in multi-season/series television programs, and I'm not sure why you are trying to change this, particularly in such a disparate way. If you feel this practice should change, I think you should take it up in a more central area. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Episode numbering[edit]

A discussion regarding the numbering of episodes has began at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Episode listing for Degrassi: TNG. 117Avenue (talk) 23:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Renaming of episode number columns[edit]

Hi all. The current columns "Series #" and "Season #" are open to misinterpretation (especially by casual visitors). I've recently renamed the same columns at List of The Big Bang Theory episodes to be "Overall episode #" and "Season episode #" respectively. There is a place to discuss this at: Template_talk:Episode_list#Episode_number_column_headings. Depending on the outcome there, I'm happy to apply the same changes for this page.  HWV258.  03:43, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Slimmer Series Over View Box[edit]

Season Eps. Originally
aired
DVD release dates Bluray release dates
Region 1 Region 4 Discs Region A Discs
Canada United States
Season 1 15 2001–2002 19 October 2004 28 September 2004 3 May 2007 3
Season 2 22 2002–2003 21 June 2005 4
Season 3 22 2003–2004 28 March 2006 3
Season 4 22 2004–2005 28 November 2006 24 October 2006 4
Season 5 19 2005–2006 3 July 2007 4
Season 6 19 2006–2007 27 May 2008 4
Season 7 24 2007–2008 26 May 2009 17 March 2009 4
Season 8 22 2008–2009 1 September 2009 4
Season 9 23 2009–2010 20 July 2010 4 20 July 2010
Season 10 48 2010–2011

Since the series is expanding into Blu-ray releases, I thought maybe slimming it down a tad would help. Thoughts? It's not too much of a change, but it is thinner. I didn't want to just go and change it. DiamondMonster (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

It looks a bit weird having some centered cells and some left aligned. If you fix that go ahead. I am assuming it is safe to assume that all blu-rays will be released on the same day across region A. 117Avenue (talk) 22:09, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Season 11 confirmed[edit]

Season 11 has been officially confirmed, and will continue to air on both TeenNick and MuchMusic. There will be 44 episodes, plus an hour-long episode, so 45 half-hours in total. Also, three new cast members will join the show, Justin Kelly as Jake Martin, Chloe Rose as Katie Matlin and Cristine Prosperi as Imogen Moreno. No word on who will play new overweight teen character Mo MacDonnel. Also, the series will once again be doing a telenovela format for the first 24 episodes of the season. All of this was confirmed via Stephen Stohn on Twitter. Links below:

Season pick-up conformation: http://twitter.com/#!/stephenstohn/status/51037076870795264
New cast conformation: http://twitter.com/#!/stephenstohn/status/51037395289780224
Telenovela format conformation: http://twitter.com/#!/stephenstohn/status/51037609903919104 GiantStuffedDog (talk) 01:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't expecting an announcement until Friday. Thanks for the research. 117Avenue (talk) 05:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)


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