Talk:List of Dungeons & Dragons monsters (1977–99)

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Books[edit]

Many basic D&D game books have featured monsters over the years, and listed below are only just a few! If you want to add the templates to any of these books and move them to the main list page, feel free!  :)

Monster books[edit]

Books with monsters in them[edit]

  • TSR 2014 - Dungeons & Dragons - Basic Rulebook (1981) (pB29-B44) - ISBN 0-935696-48-2
  • TSR 2015 - Dungeons & Dragons - Expert Rulebook (1981) (pX28-X42) - ISBN 0-935696-29-6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vulcan's Forge (talkcontribs) 00:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
  • TSR 1011 - Dungeons and Dragons Basic Set (1983) (Dungeon Masters Rulebook, p22-39)
  • TSR 1012 - Dungeons and Dragons Expert Rulebook (1983) (p45-57)
  • TSR 1013 - Dungeons and Dragons Companion Set (1984) (Dungeon Masters Companion, p28-42)
  • TSR 1017 - Dungeons and Dragons Immortals Set (1986) (DM's Guide to Immortals, p27-50)
  • TSR 1021 - Dungeons and Dragons Master Set (1985) (Dungeon Masters' Book, p24-44)

etc...

Cool.  :) I'm sure there are quite a few more books from this edition with monsters in them, but if you can hit at least the major ones we'll be in business! BOZ (talk) 19:31, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Various Updates[edit]

In the process of a major overhaul of this page. I have copies of the 1981 Basic and Expert Rules, modules B3, X1 and X2, and the 1984 Companion Set. I've added the tables for the 1981 Basic Rules and the Companion set so far; Expert Rules and the modules should be added soon. I do not have copies of the Basic and Expert 1984 sets, or the Master's or Immortals sets, so I can't add those; I may add stub tables with an appropriate Wikipedia "help wanted" template. I've also cleaned up the wording, syntax, punctuation and capitalization of the Description entries.

BTW, the B3 module I have is the download "original" from the WotC website; this is the version which was recalled from stores, so I don't know if the monster list is different from the version which actually ended up being sold.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 02:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I believe, though I do not know for certain, that B3 had some differing critters from one version to the other. BOZ (talk) 02:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

According to this and various external elements linked from it, the only monster to survive between the original and revised editions was the Decapus. That is almost certainly not true, because I played B3 (the revised version) once a very long time ago, and I remember the Archer Bushes as well. However, personal experience doesn't make it encyclopedic. I'm not sure how I am going to address this one yet; among other things I haven't been able to find an ISBN for it yet which I can confirm to be valid for both (there is an ISBN on the original but I don't know if it's the same number). The Expert Rules and X1 and X2 are done, and I've reorganized the page to match the actual revisions of the rules. I still need to stub out the 1983 revisions for the Basic and Expert rules and the Masters and Immortals sets as well.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 21:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

What's Next[edit]

I've gone as far as I can go with this; I don't have access to any additional material at this time. The following things are left to be done:

  • any B-series modules which added new monsters; I know B2 did not, but I believe some of the others did.
  • any X-series modules which added new monsters; I know X5 did but I don't have access to a copy of it.
  • TSR 1011 - Dungeons and Dragons Basic Set (1983) (Dungeon Masters Rulebook, p22-39)
  • TSR 1012 - Dungeons and Dragons Expert Rulebook (1983) (p45-57)
  • TSR 1017 - Dungeons and Dragons Immortals Set (1986) (DM's Guide to Immortals, p27-50)
  • TSR 1021 - Dungeons and Dragons Master Set (1985) (Dungeon Masters' Book, p24-44)

These last 4 should probably go in the same major section as the Companion Rules. I'd recommend that any cross-referencing be done between entities of the same era (i.e. the Basic/Expert/Companion/Masters/Immortals sets should cross-reference to each other, but not to the 1981 versions), otherwise the other appearances sections will get awfully big.

Vulcan's Forge (talk) 02:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I've recently gotten access to a large quantity of D&D material; so far I've added modules B4, B5, B6 and B1-9, confirmed that the 1983 Basic edition basically (pardon the pun) reprinted the 1981 rules as far as the monsters go, and done a lot of cross referencing for other appearances. Will continue in this general vein as time permits. I've also gone through and switched all the descriptions to variants, as appropriate.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 03:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

What about the Bullet?[edit]

Not sure about the spelling (Bullette?), but what about it? I remember it from the original Monster Manual. There was even one in S3! — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Bulette probably never made it into Basic D&D, but it should be on the AD&D lists. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 17:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
To my knowledge, the Bulette was never included in the D&D (vice AD&D) "world". It is present in the 2nd edition list here.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 02:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Other Appearance[edit]

The "Other Appearance" section seems inconsistent. There could be dozens of sources where these monsters are mentioned. The 1977 Basic Rulebook mentions the OD&D books and supplements, which is appropriate. However, the Moldvay Basic Rules and the Cook Expert Rules from 1981 refer to the later 1983 red and blue books. To me, it would be more logical to always refer to the first mention of the monster in D&D books. If the first mention was in the Greyhawk Supplement, then say that in the column. If we want to stick with "other appearances", I believe it would be less confusing to only mention older ones. — Parsa (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

The cross-referencing of appearances has been and is a work in progress. When I started the cleanup on this page some time back, I set myself a few ground rules:
  • no cross references outside the D&D universe (as opposed to the AD&D universe). I figured that would be too confusing.
  • cross reference from the editions I "knew" first - this meant everything from the 1981 editions up.
  • where appropriate, include the link to the referenced module. This is something of a variation from the normal "no duplicate links" policy, but given the size and organization of some of these tables it seemed appropriate at the time.
  • cross reference as time and effort permitted.
Since there's a lot of material not covered here yet (the Basic, Expert and Companion sets and all the Basic modules are done, but the X module series is only partially completed, none of the Companion modules are done and the Masters and Immortals sets and series aren't touched yet), cross referencing is going to take some time and effort, and should probably be done in stages. At the moment the only thing I can guarantee as correctly cross-referenced is the Basic Modules listing. I've found a few errors in the Basic and Expert listings and I'm not sure if I've missed anything else.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 04:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Self Note: the Companion and Master rules tables are correctly cross-referenced; so are the B, X and CM-series modules. the Basic and Expert Rules are not completely cross-referenced with the Creature Catalogue and the Rules Cyclopedia Tables. Nothing is cross-referenced with the 1977 edition.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 02:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)