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US Nationals - History section

Filipinos were considered US Nationals from 1898-1935, and was a US unincorporated insular area until 1946. Therefore the would be Filipino-Americans during that time. As the Philippine Islands were part of the United States. Furthermore the US Flag was the official flag of the Philippines from 1901 to 1919.--72.199.154.162 (talk) 10:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Natalie Coughlin

The article says at least one Filipino parent. Natalie Coughlin has Filipino ancestry but it's her grandmother. She's only 1/4 Filipino

Lea Salonga: American?

Now since when did Lea Salonga ever become an American? Or am I just not up to date?

My guess is someone added her assuming she was a Filipino American since she has worked prominently in the United States or because they assume her to be Filipino American because she has lived and worked here for a while. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
She is also listed in the Filipino American page as well. Granted her fame and notoriaty within the Filipino community, if she's not Fil-Am, she should not be listed among these pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.2.84.199 (talk) 07:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Proposal for list inclusion

I have made the following proposal regarding the criteria for inclusion for these lists. If this is something that you have comments or ideas about, please provide feedback. Thanks. Wikibofh 9 July 2005 19:14 (UTC)

Two You Think You Can Dance contestants are Filipino Americans

I just added Melody Lacayanga and Ryan Conferido in the entertainment section.

Jennifer Rosales

Am I missing something but why was she removed?? --Dysepsion 18:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Isn't she Filipina, not American? The sport news anchors always describe her as a Filipina, even though she currently lives in California.

Rachel Bilson

In The OC web pages, I haave heard that she is half-Filipino, is it right?

heres the proof

[www.theocshow.com/bios/summerbio.htm The Oc]

They pretty clearly took that from the IMDB, along with the rest of the trivita notes on that page. The IMDB has since taken the notation down. There is really no way that Bilson is half Filipina and half Latina, considering her paternal great-grandparents were immigrants from England with the surname "Bilson". She may have some Filipino ancestry, but it hasn't been mentioned in an official source yet as far as I can tell. 24.141.149.226 20:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


The Rachel Bilson bio page here on Wikipedia doesn't mention Filipino lineage. 202.4.4.24 03:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)MaryCar

What about Nicole Scherzinger?

from the wikipedia article about Nicole Scherzinger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Scherzinger

"She made her feature film debut in the 2003 film Chasing Papi, where, despite her Hawaiian, Filipino, and Russian ancestry, she played the role of "Miss Puerto Rico". She has also appeared on the television shows My Wife and Kids and Half and Half."

tia carrere is she filipino?

yes she is, she even visited and said she was really proud to be of oriental descent

lou diamond philpis is certainly one..

he is really filipino, just look at those filipino features

Ethnicity lists discussion

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

funny

just browsing the lists when i saw some names have outside links, can we just remove them and might as well create an article for them? its a bit unfair while the others have a red-link on them,

also i saw some people have fractions on how much theyre filipino (1/8, half filipino, etc.) *duhr*looks on the topic title*, do we have to give their filipino percentage each? †Bloodpack† argh! 17:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you trying to tell us we should list someone who is 1/8th Filipino just as "Filipino"? Nice. Anyway, yes, the red links need articles for them. As for the people on the list, they all need to be sourced to a source that says each of them is a Filipino-American, not their grandmother, etc. Mad Jack 17:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
basically what im trying to say is IMO, there is NO need to give percentage, because the article already speakS for itself, that theyre filipino-americanS OR if were gonna put percents of them, then might as well everyone else too †Bloodpack† argh! 17:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, ideally, the whole list needs to be sourced the same way a few of the names currently are (i.e. Vanessa Anne Hudgens). In that case, indeed, we wouldn't have percentages, just sources that say the person is Fil-American. Mad Jack 17:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
and i also noticed that some of them are described as artist, but the meaning of the word itself is too broad which can only be specified either he/she is a singer, comic book penciler, dancer, so the word artist needs to be specified of what kind =] †Bloodpack† argh! 18:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Is Billy Crawford American? His entry doesn't list him as an American at all, though it does say he lived here. Mad Jack 18:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

huh? how come his surname is american? and what about the famous PBA players? i think we should also have a list for them like erik menk, any siegel, etc... †Bloodpack† argh! 19:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea why his last name is Crawford, but he's definitely Filipino. Not sure if he ever became US citizen. Mad Jack 19:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
billy crawford is a filipino-american, his father is american and his mother is a filipino, were talking the BIOLOGICAL MAKE-UP of an individual here and NOT the citizenship, (we might as well place all the filipinos here with US citizenships if thats the case, eh?) which is why im removing lea salonga, both of her parents are filipino even if (lets say) she earned an american citizenship †Bloodpack† argh! 15:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
His father is american? What is that suppose to mean? Do you mean American as in caucasion? I really don't understand your logic. There is no such thing as an American BIOLOGICAL MAKE-UP. I've never heard of an "American" Biological makeup unless you count Native Americans and even that is controversial. Everyone on the list is there BECAUSE of American citizenship. This list is for notable Filipino-Americans and therefore we cannot just as you say "might as well place all the filipinos here with US citizenships". I am restoring the entry for Lea Salonga. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 22:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
i dont understand about lea salonga, both of her parents are Filipino, shes not a FILIPINO-AMERICAN! doesnt mean she worked in the US shes already an american, were talking ANCESTRY/LINEAGE HERE †Bloodpack† argh! 22:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean about ancestry/lineage? Like I said there IS NO SUCH THING as AMERICAN ancestry/biological makeup. I don't exactly know where your argument is coming from. There are several people on this list who were born in the Philippines, have Filipino parents but who are US citizens which would make them "Filipino-American". Your perception of what a Filipino-American is is completely different from that of others who have contributed to this list. You don't need to have some type of "other" blood to be considered a Filipino-American. You just need American citizenship. If I'm wrong then I guess United States Census Bureau and US Dept. of Immigration is wrong also. This list is about having Filipino ancestry and American citizenship regardless if that person happens to have caucasion, African lineage etc. Manny Pacquiao often trains in the US but he does not hold citizenship here therefore his name has been removed several times from this list. Lea Salongo's name has been here for a quite a while because she does hold citizenship. I am reverting back her name. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 23:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
well, im cool but thats kinda weird for me, pardon me but i thought this list is all about being half-filipino/half-american (by genes) and not half-filipino citizenship/half-american citizenship thats why i stated might as well place all filipinos who gained american citizenship oh well... >_< †Bloodpack† argh! 00:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Like I said this list, as well as all other lists like this (e.g. List of Italian Americans, List of Chinese Americans etc.) are for notable people, therefore it's a moot point to argue and state that you might as well place all filipinos who gained american citizenship. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 15:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
yeah, but kinda ridiculous though to think that the basis for being a filipino-american in this article is by acquiring a citizenship when my humble opinion thinks it should be by BLOOD -_-' †Bloodpack† argh! 00:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
No, it's not ridiculous. Citizenship is what legally defines an American. What really amazes me is that despite all I've presented why you think and persist there is such a thing as "American blood". You would be hard pressed to find anyone living in the United States to say that there was such a thing as American blood. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 17:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
(Citizenship is what legally defines an American) but the article isnt all about being an american only.(What really amazes me is that despite all I've presented why you think and persist there is such a thing as "American blood) nah, i know US is a cosmopolitan race, made up of different people/immigrants.(You would be hard pressed to find anyone living in the United States to say that there was such a thing as American blood.) of course not =) †Bloodpack† argh! 22:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Right, you cannot have "American blood." I think what Bloodpack is trying to say, though, is white or black blood. But that is not what Filipino American means. In any case, Filipino Americans are those of Filipino ancestry (it doesn't matter how much) and are Americans. Filipino Americans can be "100%" Filipino like Rex Navarrete or Alec Mapa, they can be 75% Filipino like myself, 50% Filipino like Lou Diamond Philipps, 37.5% like my nephew, 25% Filipino like Rob Schneider, or even 12.5% Filipino like Enrique Iglesias (if I interpreted his mother's family tree correctly). The point is that we have Filipino heritage but are also American in every sense of the word. --Chris S. 21:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

A Filipino American is a person referred to as a Filipino American or a Filipino (if they are also American) in a reliable source... Not everyone with a drop of Filipino blood (i.e. the 12.5%) since we don't go by the one drop rule. But of course, if that person with the 12.5% was called a Filipino American by a reliable source, they should be on here. Oh and accordingly, I removed Will Ferrell. I'm not sure if he really said he has some Filipino ancestry or not, but regardless, I couldn't find anything that described Ferrell as Fil-American. Mad Jack 07:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

David Bautista aka Batista

the famed WWE wrestler is not a "Filipino-American" but a "Filipino-Greek", why is he in the list? †Bloodpack† argh! 20:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you're implying. He was born in Arlington, Virginia which would make him an American citizen, which would make him a Filipino-Greek-American --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 22:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

aight, that clears it, because when i read his bio, it only stated "greek-filipino" †Bloodpack† argh! 22:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Vanessa Minnillo

It turns out that her mother is not Filipino, but rather Polynesian (see her entry for an interview where she says that). I'd guess the fact that she was born in the Phillippines led to assumptions that her mother was Filipino. I suppose she should still be on this list because she was born in the Phillippines. Mad Jack 02:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I read that too. I see why that on occasion why some Filipinos don't like her because they claim that she denies her Filipino ancestry in ehr previous interviews. Now I see it's understandable why she does that because she was just born there but has no Filipino ancestry. Interesting. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 05:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Vanessa Minnillo is half Filipina. Her mom is from Leyte. Read interview from Asian Journal. --Chris S. 06:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Maybe her mother was born in Leyte but is of Polynesian descent? I could see that as a plausible explanation. She's said that she's "half Polynesian" in two interview this year now, so I dunno Mad Jack 06:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


You forgot to hyper-link Buzz Belmondo (real name Lorenzo Matuwaran) who was on TV in the 1980s on Out Of This World and had a recurrent role on Baywatch.

He grew up in a San Francisco housing project (just like myself) to Filipino immigrants.

04:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Brandon Lee

There seems to be an error about Brandon Lee in the list. It links to the article about Bruce Lee's son, not the actor that shares the same name... will anyone fix this ?

Done --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 06:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Moved back to List of Filipino Americans

I moved the article back from List of Filipino-Americans to List of Filipino Americans, without the hyphen. Every other list in Category:Lists of American people by ethnic or national origin doesn't have the hyphen and the main article Filipino American doesn't use the hyphen either. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Victoria Principal

Huh? Victoria Principal is filipino?? Coojah 09:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't find any mention of this in the Victoria Principal article or with a quick web search. I've placed a [dubious – discuss] tag. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 05:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
It's been a long time with no response. I removed this listing. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Filipino American Law Professors

I have reverted Dysepsion's removal of names of three FilAm law professors, which s/he refers to as "non-notable". Not only are they the *only* Filipino American law professors in America -- *all three* write on Asian American race/diversity/immigration issues. There is no way that such work makes them less notable than FilAm country music singers, models, or "turntablists". It's nice that Filipinos are well-represented in American popular culture, but that is no reason to leave out people who contribute to its intellectual culture. Calamondin 04:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you please provide evidence that they are the "only" Fil-Am law professors in the United States? My concern is do we list every Fil-Am professor of any field (e.g. medicine, literature, etc.) or just law? --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 04:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Certainly; you can check my statement on their being the only ones to self-ID as Filipino in the American Association of Law Schools Faculty Directory, which lists such data. (It's also a point that has been brought up often in the last 5 years at local and national Asian-PacIslander Law Student Association meetings. A lawprof named Robert Chang has been keeping track of Asian-PacIslander law professors over the past few years, because there are so many APA law students.) Our numbers are growing, (as is true of other minority students) while faculty diversity has basically held stable in the last few years.

Please note, however, that my bedrock justification for placing them on the list is that they actually work on the problems of Filipinos in the US. And while I see no stated requirements for inclusion on this list (aside from non-vanity), surely advocacy for our rights must qualify them.

Your point, I understand, is that there might be numerous FilAm professors in the US, and would that fit in this list. Frankly, the problem I see is that such a list would be *significantly* shorter than the list of all other professions we have right now. That is, there aren't enough Filipinos teaching in the US at the postsecondary level (and particularly in tenure-track/tenured positions). Also, if there ever are a significant number (more than 20, say) I guarantee I will write the spinoff article myself. Anyhow, my next step is to create articles for each of the 3 profs I added, so people looking at the list will be able to see more info about their work. Best, Calamondin 04:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Personally, if what you say is true, I find that very interesting. It would be interesting to know how many FilAm professors are in the postsecondary levels. There are plenty of undergraduate professors who are FilAm but I didn't know that there was an under representation in the graduate levels. I also do agree that the inclusion of these individuals is certainly valuable than an entertainment DJ. I've searched for them via google and have been able to read their bios in their respective universities and also since you will take the step of creating articles for these professors, they are surely notable. Keep up the good work. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 05:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

A category such as law professors is too narrow. I think there should be a category for academics who are notable and well-known in and out of their field. This would cover the Fil-Am law professors, if they fit this criteria. --Chris S. 20:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Add these two to the musicians section

This may be a little older than the person who wrote this article... This can be verified through their website and through very old videos on Youtube from the 60's...

Larry Ramos of The Association (born in Hawaii);

Billy Hinsche of Dino, Desi & Billy (born in Manila - raised in the U.S.)... His bandmates were infinitely more famous as they were the sons of Dean Martin and Desi Arnaz.

Both groups were pretty popular in the mid 60s - The Association had 2 number one hits.

76.204.183.227 18:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

alphabetic order by last name

it would be nice if the names within each section were put in alphabetic order by last name Hmains 04:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

On occasion I've removed some names from this list and continue to do so because many simply are not notable. There's no way some of these names would even have an article on Wikipedia because they do not meet notabilty standards and therefore should not even be listed. For example, someone who appeared in a small independent film with no other work is not notable. Likewise I have deleted names who are no more than character actors. ----Ðysepsion † Speak your mind 06:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

not WP notable people

To be in this article, a person must have a WP article establishing the person as a Filipino American or have a valid WP references showing this is true. Otherwise, I will move the names (most of the redlines) to this talk page where they can be kept until, and if, notablibilty is established. I will begin this work next week. Thanks and help is appreciated at any time. Hmains (talk) 04:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I support this and will help if necessary. I would add that every single name will have to be referenced with reliable sources or it will have to go. This page would be better as a shorter list with references than its current state. --John (talk) 04:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I also strongly support this. This list was getting way out of hand and a more concise list would be a lot better than just simply placing names. ----Ðysepsion † Speak your mind 14:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

notable candidates

The following poeple are do not yet have their notability established: they do not have have WP articles or references to sources showing they are notable Filipino Americans. When such information is provided, these names can be moved from this talk page to the list. Hmains (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Arts and letters

Education

Labor

Literature

Journalism

Theater

Business

  • Samuel D Cadelinia – President and CEO of Prudential California Realty and Franklin Mortgage Services in San Francisco and Director for Mission National Bank
  • Manuel Alcantara Donesa Jr. – Former Hot Import Nights General Manager, leading import car show promoter.

Inventors

  • Pedro Flores – father of the American yo-yo (Donald Duncan purchased the company and renamed it Duncan Yo-Yo Co.)

Health Science

Politics

Entertainment

Television and Film

Reality Show

Music

Disk Jockeys

  • DJ P-Trix – 1999 DMC USA Champion & 1999 Dirtstyle World Champion DJ.
  • DJ RockyRock – World Battle DJ & Jeepney Music exec; part of the Dirty Heads (Warner Bros).

Fashion


Visual Arts

  • Anthony Ocampo – Visual FX artist, 4 time Visual Effects Society Winner and Emmy nominee.

Sports

Figure Skating

  • Taryn N. Ignacio – University of Kentucky's first NCAA Champion - 10 Meter Platform Dive 2006. (Father is full Filipino and mother is White American.)

Martial Arts

  • Ana Julaton – Female boxer in the female 125 lbs. class.


Softball

Volleyball

  • Liz Masakayan – Olympic Volleyball Player, Pro-Beach Volleyball Player.

Wrestlers

  • Killer Chaos – Co-founder and wrestler of Jersey Revolution Wrestling

JabbaWockeeZ and member inclusion

I have been working on the JabbaWockeeZ article sometime lately. On the talk page (discussion tab) another user put a note saying that the JabbaWockeeZ are a group and should not be viewed as seperate individuals so making individual articles for the group members isn't notable. Can anyone help me on this? On the list provided on this article there are three Fil-Am members Rynan Paguio, Phil Tayag, and Chris Gatdula whom are of the JabbaWockeeZ which I could start articles on if people can help me with building articles for them. Thanks in advance. Hotbabygurl016 (talk) 03:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

In general, they shouldn't unless they are notable in their own right. See Wikipedia notability guidelines for people. For example there are many articles on well known bands whose members don't have articles or were merged to the main article. Likewise, the article on Ben Chung should be merged to JabbaWockeeZ. ----Ðysepsion † Speak your mind 04:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Additions

Added several to this list in different categories: Geno Espineli and Brandon Villafuerte (baseball) - they are full-blooded Filipino-Americans; Billy Hinsche (mother was Filipina), guitarist for 60's teen band, Dino, Desi & Billy; Dorothy Delasin, a successful Fil-Am golfer from the San Francisco Bay Area; Jaya Ramsey, freestyle artist from the late 1980's; Andrew Ganigan, lightweight contender (professional boxing) of the late 70s and early 80; and Raymond Townsend, former NBA guard of the late 70s and early 80s (played for Golden State and for San Diego). Note: Jaya Ramsey has an article in Wikipedia but not properly linked. The above all have Wikipedia articles with the exception of Villafuerte - whose information can be found in various sites.

20:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

More Additions

Added Elizabeth Punsalan, figure skater... Brief bio listed in Wikipedia - but other internet sources described her parents: mother - irish-american; father - filipino-american.

23:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Do Not List

Do not list Tim Tebow, 2007 Heisman Trophy Winner. He was born in the Philippines to American parents. He technically isn't - his parents were doing missionary work there. (similar to Cliff Richard or Engelbert Humperdinck being born in India).

16:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

George Sunga

I'm surprised that everyone forgot about him. He's best known as a associate producer for the "Jeffersons" and "Good Times" and a producer for "Three's Company." You won't be able to find him in Wikipedia, but with imdb. There was a feature article written about him in the Philippine News many years ago.

76.204.26.210 (talk) 02:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Why is he taken out?

I put him (George Sunga) in - but I don't know how to link the source.. It's under a website called Famous Kapampangans (if that's the correct spelling) - pls link to source...thanks. He's also listed under imdb. This is one of the sources: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4059/famous4.htm. Please link to this one if you can. Also you can find him in the Wikipedia article of "Three's Company" which he was executive producer.

76.205.209.0 (talk) 18:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

The page mentioned above may not qualify as a reliable source. There's a transcript of his 1993 testimony before the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights at Mary Frances Berry (2000), Racial And Ethnic Tensions In American Communities: Poverty, Inequality, & Discrimination--Los Angeles Hearing, DIANE Publishing, pp. M1 442-444, ISBN 0788189638. Also, A.S. Alumni News, San Diego State University, August, 2007 {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) mentions that as of 2007 he was the President of the CBS Alumni and as Chairman of the Diversity Committee of the Producers Guild of America. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

That article really doesn't make sense...please explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.151.46 (talk) 02:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

removal of Benny Paulino

I removed Maj.Gen. Benny Paulino from the list of notable military figures because he's not Filipino. He's a Chamorro from Guam. He's also my boss. Please don't mistake Filipinos and Chamorros though we have much in common culturally due to both Guam and PI being former Spanish colonies.Jlujan69 (talk) 06:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

There are two websites, with questionable reliablity (1, 2) that state that MG Paulino is Filipino. I agree that he shouldn't be listed, due to the shakyness of these sources, but can you please provide sources where it says he is only of Chamorran ethnic descent?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Greg Oden really half filipino?

I haven't seen any proof of this. 68.117.153.215 (talk) 02:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC) 

 To the best of my knowlege - he isn't even a quarter.

22:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Senator John Ensign of Nevada

From this ESPN article: "Then Arum's guests showed up: Nevada Sen. John Ensign and his two children. Arum introduced me to the senator and we chatted for a bit. Turns out Ensign is a huge boxing fan and one-eighth Filipino, so he was excited to meet Pacquiao and have him pose for a photo with him and his kids." --Anyo Niminus (talk) 02:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I add the reference to his article and will be adding him to the list. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 12:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Clay Rapada

Please do research on this.... Born in Virginia... He's one of four Fil-Ams in the Major Leagues the past two years. He was sent down to the minors after a stint with the Detroit Tigers. His mother's side is Filipino.

22:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)~


Nomination for removal

Monessa Catuncan is listed in the military section, which as you all know who have been editing this list for a while, I have been keeping track of. She is an officer, and pilot, in the United States Air Force, as cited in the article used as a reference; however, I do not know if that is notable enough to warrant being included on the list. Opinions? Comments Suggestions?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No comment has yet to be recieved regarding this nomination for removal from the list. I have not seen any source that shows that she is notable, in so far as she has not been awarded any medals or commendations for valor, has not commanded a unit of significant size, and is no different (other than her ethnicity) than the hundreds of other officers and pilots of the United States Air Force. Unless given good reason, by the end of June, this person will be removed fromt he list by myself.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 12:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


Owen Kline has recently been placed on this list. His mother, Phoebe Cates, was already 1/8thChinese Filipino, meaning that unless Kevin Kline has any filipino heritage that means that he is at most only 1/16th Chinese Filipino. And keeping similar criterea, such as that needed by an individiaul claiming to be Native American needing to show that they have at least one eighth ancestry, than Owen Kline would not meet said criterea. Furthermore, the individuals wikiarticle only claims that he is a living Jewish American from New York City. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 12:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The lead sentence of the Filipino American article says, "Filipino Americans (Fil-Am for short) are Americans of Filipino ancestry." That seems overly-inclusive to me, but that is what it says. Perhaps this should be discussed on the talk page for that article. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
This is same inclusion critria used on all such 'fooian American' articles: people to immgrated to the US from 'foo' and became American citizens, and their descendants. No reason to make this list different. Hmains (talk) 02:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
If this is the case, than anyone could claim to be from X as long as they have any percentage of ethnicity in their heritage. Which as you say due to the statement of the subject article is VERY inclusive indeed. To expand that logic, that would mean that anyone is who has spaniard heritage, no matter if it's as far back as only in the 16th of 17th century, than could claim to be a Spanish Filipino. But alas, it appears that consensus already is working against me and the proposed removal of Owen Kline appears to be, at this point, moot. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 11:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, this does not appear to be the same inclusion critria used on all such 'fooian American' articles. From a few lead sentences:
  • German Americans (German: Deutschamerikaner) are citizens of the United States of German ancestry, with traditions and self-identity based on German language and culture.
  • A Spanish American is a citizen or resident of the United States with ethnic origins in the southwestern European nation of Spain.
  • Japanese Americans (日系アメリカ人, Nikkei Amerikajin?) are Americans of Japanese heritage.
  • Korean Americans (Korean: 한국계 미국인, Hanja: 韓國系美國人, hangukgye migugin) are Americans of Korean origin.
  • Greek Americans (Greek: Ελληνοαμερικανοί, Ellinoamerikani) are citizens of the United States of Greek origin.
  • A Canadian-American is a person living in the United States who was born in, raised in, or possesses ancestral ties to Canada.
  • An Australian American is a naturalized American citizen with a significant relationship to Australia, ...
  • A Vietnamese American (Vietnamese: người Mỹ gốc Việt) is a resident of the United States who is of Vietnamese heritage.
British American, Irish American, Scottish American, French American, Mexican American, Chinese American, perhaps others, do have similar inclusion criteria to Filipino American. Anyhow, if there is to be discussion on this, it should take place at Talk:Filipino American. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Other than using some differnt words, I do not see any difference in the end result: a 'fooian American' is someone who immigrant to the US from 'foo' who became an American (citizen) and their desdendants. Some writers in various like to try to assert something different, but the actual results belie them. I am not arguing this is good or bad, only that this is criteria that is used. Hmains (talk) 03:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Words have meaning. The difference which I see is that some hyphenated Americans (Fil-Ams among them) are defined in the relevant WP articles as US citizens having any degree of ancestry in an ethnic group rooted outside of the US ("Filipino" is defined as "an ethnic group in the Philippines", rather than on the basis of citizenship. Ethnic groups in the Philippines does not make it clear which particular ethnic group that might be.), others (e.g. Korean-American, Greek-American) limit that group to persons who originated in the other country (i.e., were not American born), others (Canadian-American) speak of "ties" or (Australian-American) "a significant relationship" to the other country. It seems to me overly inclusive to define a person whose only connection to the Philippines is an ancestor ten generations back as a Fil-Am, but it's not a hot-button issue with me. Also, as I've said previously, this discussion should take place at Talk:Filipino American, not here. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 23:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
It's interesting to say the least about how inclusive or exclusive the definition of an ethnic group within the US is. I was attempting to find a reliable source which to cite for any change to the definition listed on the Filipino American wikiarticle, but none that meet my satisfaction nor the satisfaction of the reliable source guideline, so it's very much up to the interpretation of the individual, especially with the largely inclusive nature of the language involved. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Personally, I think that 1/16th is the minimum that should be allowed to claim any ethnicity, least we all claim to be african, but that doesn't matter really. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Archiving Talk Page

Maybe someone, better than I should archive this talk page. I almost botched the move of the archive page for the Filipino American talk page. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

  1. ^ [http://www.nbc.com/Treasure_Hunters/teams/ "But it’s Sam, half-Indian and half-Filipino, who is the self-proclaimed ladies man. Will brains beat out brawn in the hunt for the gold?"
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