Talk:List of Haitians

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Should Dumas be on this list?[edit]

Alexandre Dumas, père's grandmother was from Saint-Domingue (before the area was called Haiti). Does that make him a person who should be on this list? What about his son, who was one-eighth "Saint Domingan"? Dumas never actually visited the Americas. How much of a link to Haiti should a person have to be on this list? --Ccady 07:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how much of a link a person should have to Haiti. My advice would be to look at other countries' lists to get an idea of that. I did notice however that many people on this list such asPierre Thomas (American football), and Elvis Dumervil are Haitian American, and not born there. My question is should that really count on a list of Haitians? There is already a list of Haitian Americans. My opinion is that they should not be on this list so I'm taking them off. By the way, I'm new to all this, so if I violate any rules of etiquette or otherwise please let me know. Kgromann (talk) 02:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

No. This is crazy. You have to be born in Haiti to be on the list, or immigrated and lived there.Student7 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Importance[edit]

For this type of list, a person must not only be notable (have an article), they must be known outside of Haiti. That is, a person cannot win a national athletic title, go on to the Olympics and win nothing and be here. They must have achieved something internationally, as well. Student7 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Who made you Noah Webster when defining the word "notability"? There are many notable people not known outside of Haiti and vice-versa. The beauty pageant contestants were born in Haiti, and hence are Haitian. Haiti does not permit dual citizenship, and therefore they are Haitian unless the naturalize in another country. Stop removing these entries due to your mis-contrued definition of notability. Also DO NOT WRITE ON MY PAGE! Discuss on this page ONLY! --XLR8TION (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
this is not your page Xlr8, anyone is allowed to edit it I suggest you read WP:OWN and maybe WP:CIVIL as you are shouting in your edit summaries which is very uncivil--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 18:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Please read article's first sentence This is a list of Haitians, notable people from Haiti. The list includes people recognized internationally for artistic, cultural, economic, historical, criminal, and political reasons, among others. The subjects are from Haiti and have been recognized international for their artistic contributions. Landing second place in a major beauty pageant known the world round is NOTABLE!--XLR8TION (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Uncivil, LOL. Please don't even go there. First of all warring editor seems to be in grade school as he cannot understand the list's purpose. I have formally requested a dispute resolution and this weill be resolved, no thanks to you.--XLR8TION (talk) 18:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
of course your uncivil you shout in your edit summaries and you have an issue with WP:OWN, anyone can edit this article do not stop them--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 18:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Apparently you're not that well-versed in the English language or the definition of many of it words from your typographical errors and lack of logic.--XLR8TION (talk) 18:36, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Is that supposed to be an insult, because if it is you better apologise. so what if my messages look unclear, I might not even speak english as a 1st language and as such have difficulties, its very rude to insult how I write!--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 18:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
Throwing insults isn't going to get anybody very far. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── So from what I can tell, both people you added won the Miss Haiti Universe pageant and then went on to compete in an international Miss Universe pageant (which they did not win). Is that correct? ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

XLR8TION has used the word "internationally" above. This, of course, is the key to having a maintainable and meaningful list. The person must be known outside the country. Filling the list with 70 Miss Haiti Universe, 70 Haiti Miss Worlds, dozens of Presidents, justices (not just Supreme Court!), and every musical group and athlete, renders the list moot and unmaintainable. We need people the level of a Jean Lafitte, Christophe, and Toussaint Louverture, who most people outside Haiti have heard of. As for any article, we want to use material that will interest readers, and demonstrate the "best" of (in this case) Haiti. And avoid WP:NOTLINK, WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTWHOSWHO. Student7 (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Agreed that they should not be included for being Miss Haiti Universe winners. The question is: should they be included for being contestants (but not winners) in the international Miss Universe pageant? ~Adjwilley (talk) 20:44, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
I do not think they should be added. While both women won the "Miss Haiti Universe" pageant, I think they should be added IFF they were in the international beauty pageant and won it. Otherwise, they are not notable enough and would only clutter this list.Brian3030 (talk) 20:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Question at least one re-inclusion[edit]

Thanks for your work on reordering this list. Would like to question the re-addition of Michel Clérié. He may (have been) notable inside Haiti, but never heard of him, nor do I see how his job would allow him fame on the international stage. As with the others, I'm not questioning his notability, just his inclusion here. Student7 (talk) 14:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad it is appreciated. Yes, you were correct about Michel Clérié not being on the international stage; thank you for pointing that out to me. Savvyjack23 (talk) 23:48, 5 March 2014 (UTC)