Talk:List of Nintendo Entertainment System games

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Shouldn't this list resemble the list at Nintendo's website? I see some games that are not on any list i have seen, or played. 192.153.163.61 (talk) 13:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Some games are unlicensed but still available for play on the NES. Others were only released in a certain region, i.e. Japan-only or Europe-only releases. MuZemike (talk) 00:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Reworking Entire List

I am being bold and reworking the entire list. The new list will very much follow in the same design as the List of Nintendo 64 games. The new list will be greatly expanded (column-wise) and will include the following:

• Original Title
• Alternate Titles
• Year in the the first instance of the game was released; month is being omitted. For example, Baseball was first released in Japan in 1983, so the list will display 1983.
• Developer
• Publisher
• Regions in which the game was released (either Japan, North America, or Europe)
• Number of players (normally 1, 2, or 4)

Please note that this will take a while (there are over 800 titles), and I am using my sandbox to construct the new lists. I will edit each section complete by letter when I finish with a certain letter.

As usual, if there is a discrepancy with the information, i.e. incorrect regions, number of players, etc, to be bold and edit. MuZemike (talk) 03:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Note that I also am only including an alternate name of the game's title if there is a significant change between translations, especially in the case with games released in Japan. If the Japanese translation is the game's title matches the English title, no alternate title will be listed.

I have also decided to use wikilinks for the regions instead of flag images, as images take up more bandwidth and HTTP requests and may not all load on a slow Internet connection as opposed to simple wikilinks. MuZemike (talk) 02:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you planning on making the tables sortable at all or are you worried that the JavaScript might make the page load much more slowly? I'm looking for something to help with that I'd be interested in. Lumaga (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't thought about it, yet, but it sounds like a good idea given the sheer size of the list. My plan right now is to finish expansion, get rid of the useless subsections, and then propose splitting the list further, separating the European-only releases as well as unlicensed games from this list. MuZemike (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

There is an unlicenced game called Free Fall that is not on the list and its quite good.I think you should add unlicensed games to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.175.71.71 (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Some unlicensed games are included, including those by Tengen, Camerica, and Color Dreams. If you can show that the game exists, then add it to the list. MuZemike (talk) 02:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Additional sources

I have provided an updated URL for the official list of NES games published by Nintendo. I have also included comprehensive NES game lists from verifiable outside sources, such as GameFAQs, 1UP.com, and GameSpot. So hopefully every game on this list — which also contains unlicensed games — are also covered and can be verified. If anyone wishes to discuss any better usage of the references for this list, please discuss below. MuZemike (talk) 19:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Mortal Combat for NES?

Why there is no MC on this list? http://tabmok99.mortalkombatonline.com/mkfamicom1.html

HEY MC is for NES!

http://tabmok99.mortalkombatonline.com/mkfamicom1.html

regs----Comicspiotrus (talk) 01:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, no pirates. MuZemike (talk) 17:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean we can get rid of "Tetris (1989) by Tengen"? That game was declared pirated in a court of law. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 00:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Tetris by Tengen is widely accepted as a released unlicensed game. I vote to keep it as is.Werrock (talk) 21:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Fewest citations possible

I suggest that we focus on lists of games as citations. For example, we could use GameFAQs' genre sorting system for NES games (which would be better than the Alpha sorting) to limit the citations, because the kb-size is getting far too high. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 05:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I was planning to remove the GameFAQs links from those that are already mentioned in the NES list (Some would have to stay, however, such as those who aren't on that list but still is verifiable through GameFAQs.), but I am still working as to how I am going to reference each entry without having a super-clutter in the References section at the bottom. I have been trying to experiment with the older citation templates with a copy of the article in my sandbox. I was thinking about splitting the references by page and have them all linked to the bottom. I just have to figure out a good way how. MuZemike (talk) 02:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Or even simple parenthetical referencing may also be a good way to go instead of generating loads of "footnotecruft." The GameFAQs-only references are just simply external-linked. MuZemike (talk) 03:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Laser Beam Entertainment

Should this developer redidrect to it's parent company; Krome Studios Melbourne? Daniel Christensen (talk) 17:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Seika

Should redirect to Kemco? Daniel Christensen (talk) 17:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Death Race

Goes to disambig page; article on game non-existant. Daniel Christensen (talk) 17:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll change it. Next time, feel free to be bold and change it yourself, especially for trivial corrections like that. I'm sure there are plenty out there in that list! MuZemike 17:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Publisher links

I do not think the links are done right. If over linking is an issue then what rule should be applied here. Should only items grouped with the same publishers be left with only one link for the highest item or how far can you accept the link to be located. Today it is not very consistent so could we perhaps decide upon how linking should be done? Werrock (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Sachen games

I saw that some Sachen games made it to the list and I reverted those edits. I do not consider Sachen games to be part of the NES collection and most list out there do not count these games. It is however hard to say where to draw the line since the current list allows many unlicensed games and even really rare ones like the Panesia games. Please share your opinions on this subject. Werrock (talk) 08:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The key aspect here is verifiability. I think if it's verified to exist in GameFAQs, then it should be on the list.

Allgame has this list of games developed by Sachen (GameFAQs obviously does, too), but also keep in mind that some of the games developed by them were published by other companies such as American Video Entertainment or American Game Cartridges. MuZemike 14:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

From GameFAQs' help page: "almost any commercial game release is acceptable for our database." I wonder to what extent the NES games on retrousb.com would count if someone submitted them. -Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 12:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's also a GameFAQs list of all applicable Sachen games. However, those that were never released in North America were not released for the NES but rather for the Supervision handheld device, which emulated NES games; I would say that those would not count. MuZemike 14:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Sachen games should be included. So what if they were primarily designed for some handheld NES emulator. If it will work on a North American NES, it should go here. Also, even if the game was released by other companies, it should still be included. Keep in mind, the list on this article is often used by NES collectors, to see how close they are from having every NES game ever made, so we need to make it as thorough as possible.Wikieditor1988 (talk) 02:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

A complete list

As a newly started NES collector (although been owning one as long as I remember) I came here with the simple goal of extracting a complete list of all NES games. This was however not that easy it seemed and everywhere you look there are different figures of the total amount of NES titles. As of 2009 you could have hoped (honestly I expected) that a complete list was well defined. Anyway, I do prefer the Wikipedia list and I try to make it accurate as my understanding of the NES library grows. There seems to exists some rules that can be applied to define what titles are allowed on the list. Werrock (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Please edit this list with rules and guidelines:

• Only released games. All games has to been released on a significant market for the NES and need verification.
• No pirates, home mades or prototypes. These were never released according to the above rule.
• One entry per game with regional differences. Some games have different titles and sometimes graphics (example: Contra and Probotector) but are essentially the same game.
• One entry for games with multiple publishers. Many games where published by different companies like the Tengen games.
• Same title can be different games and should have different entries. Tetris and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade are examples of totally different games with the same title.
• Famicom is not NES thus are Famicom exclusives are not allowed. PAL exclusives can be played on the top loader or a modified NTSC-NES and are allowed on the list.

Exceptions from the rules:

Nintendo World Championships (competition game never "released" but kept for its holy grail status)

I agree with pretty much all of that. That is, I cannot think of any exceptions to pirates, homebrews, etc. MuZemike 16:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

How "modified" are you willing to go to mod an NTSC NES to play PAL Game Paks? If you mean just cutting pin 4 of the lockout chip to keep it from blinking, then PAL-only games that need all the vblank time such as Asterix won't work. If you mean desoldering the CPU, PPU, and crystal and replacing them with PAL ones, then you might as well include Famicom games through the adapter in the Stack-Up cart. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 00:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I was referring to disabling the chip as the top loader does not contain it. It may be unfortunate that one single or a few PAL games cannot be played on the NTSC system but they are still NES games. We could divide the list with a separate list of PAL exclusives but that was already voted down in a section above although there are not only 16 but 32 PAL exclusive games. Werrock (talk) 21:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

How many sales make a "significant market"? Or would post-Wario's Woods games like Battle Kid go in a separate list like List of commercially released independently developed Dreamcast games? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 12:22, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Tecmo Soccer Games

I am too confused to sort this out. There is one game called "Tecmo Cup Soccer Game" and another called "Tecmo World Cup Soccer" on the list. They both link to the same article but has different source from gamefaqs. You can also play both here and they are not the same games. Not even close. On the other hand, the list at Nintendo only list Tecmo World Cup Soccer which according to the source is a PAL exclusive and I have not found Tecmo World Cup Soccer anywhere. Please help me sort this out. Werrock (talk) 17:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Tecmo Cup Soccer/Football Game is the NES version of Captain Tsubasa. It appears to be more different from Tecmo World Cup Soccer (the NES port of Tehkan World Cup) than Tecmo Bowl is from Tecmo Super Bowl. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 17:59, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

WWF WrestleMania (video game)

Was it released in 1989, according to the GameFAQs source, or was it in January 1989, according to the official Nintendo source (http://web.archive.org/web/20070317023021/nintendo.com/doc/nes_games.pdf)? There seems to be conflicting dates here. Can anyone else here shed some light on this? MuZemike 05:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I think Nintendo is the best source here or Acclaim if available. GameFAQ or other sites has to retrieve the figures somewhere too. IGN for example states that is was released February 1, 1989 (http://cheats.ign.com/objects/006/006943.html). Werrock (talk) 08:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Battle Kid: Fortress of Peril

Would Battle Kid: Fortress of Peril be allowable on the list as an NES game, despite the fact that it was released by a video game company (albeit a one-man operation) this year with its cartridges being made by RetroZone [1]? I'm kind of wavy on this, as I know it's verified by reliable sources, but the process of making new NES games for the NES specifically (unlike Mega Man 9 or Mega Man 10 which weren't made specifically for the NES even though they were "8-bit") has long passed? –MuZemike 02:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll note that if we do keep it, we may have to consider also adding in most of the games here; we'd be opening a door (could be good, could be bad) as a result IMO. –MuZemike 02:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it is allowable on the list, on List of Game Boy Advance games there is game Blast Arena Advance which is homebrew which could be downloaded and was made available on cart. --Robixen (talk) 20:55, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Licensed and unlicensed NES games list separately in one article

I separated licensed from unlicensed games, should unlicensed games be in this article or in separate article?--Robixen (talk) 14:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

If the "licensed games" can be verified by Nintendo's source [2], then there might be a way to greatly reduce the size of the list by condensing citations.

That being said, I would keep everything in one article. Given the number of games (just under 800) and the size of the article (only 97KB with room for improvement), this is pretty good compared to other video game lists. –MuZemike 14:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I removed reference column from licensed games, and verified them with Nintendo source, now it takes up only 60KB.--Robixen (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

We're going to need to find some better reliable sources for the unlicensed games, though, as GameFAQs' reliability is questionable. –MuZemike 17:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

You know what I forgot? That Nintendo list is North America-only. That doesn't account for the games released in regions other than North America or games published by different companies outside of North America. –MuZemike 17:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to find some reliable sources for pal only and unlicensed games.--Robixen (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you think that Gamespot is reliable source? Also, could we do it like I just did with Aladdin on the list?--Robixen (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that would necessarily work either, because they take their release information from GameFAQs, which doesn't do much as far as fact-checking on user-submitted content is concerned. This was brought up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 80#Desperately seeking Mega Man 7 release date. This would likely get shot down as far as WP:FLC is concerned because of that, even though for many of these titles we have nothing else to go by. –MuZemike 19:50, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I added Gamespot and IGN lists as sources, List of Nintendo 64 games also used them, also now we can take off reference column from unlicensed games list, especially if gamespot takes their release dates from them.--Robixen (talk) 19:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

That's true, it hasn't been challenged on that list yet. –MuZemike 20:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I removed reference column from unlicensed games list.--Robixen (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The game "Bee 52" is listed under both licensed and unlicensed games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.180.172.150 (talk) 11:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed.--Canyq (talk) 00:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Featured list candidate

Can I nominate this list to featured list candidates?--Robixen (talk) 14:46, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Missing Game

Missing from list “Punch-Out!!” - I don’t know the details or procedure for adding, please verify and correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.159.95 (talk) 01:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Full title of the game is Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, the game is present on the list.--Robixen (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

sorry i was not clear on my original post - but there are two games one called Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! and another without Mike Tyson's endorsement called "Punch-Out!!", Though similar they are separate games with different labels, production runs, and boss character —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.159.95 (talk) 17:42, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

They're the same game. Nintendo re-released the game as Punch-Out!! (with Mr. Dream as the final character) during their series of NES re-releases (along with Metroid, The Legend of Zelda, and a few others) because their contract with Mike Tyson was not renewed. There is nothing else that is different. –MuZemike 17:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

What about, Peter Pan and the Pirates (video game)? It was not a great video game (to be polite) but it was released in the United States. Great cartoon series (that it was based on), but horrible game. Browned79. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.123.38.190 (talk) 21:05, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted this, explaining the same reason as above. The only differences between the two are the featured fighter and a palette-swap. Otherwise, they are identical. Unless you want to also include the re-releases of the other NES titles later in its lifespan as mentioned above, we should only include the original release date. –MuZemike 03:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

you should add re-release game. OR AT LEAST Punch-out featuring Mr. Dream. This game has not the same name, not the same label, not the same boss, not the same graphic. In some way its a new punch-out game. i own the both games and it count for 2 differents games in my head . Its two different data. they dont have the same value. they dont have the same original box. a game with Mike tyson is completly different with a game without it. its my opinion and i bought all of them wen they were released. As long as a few data has been changed , like fighters, its a new game. otherwise list street fighter ii and street fighter ii turbo at the same game. Nintendo has changed the title name game, so it has to be see at 2 different game. For have the complete nes collection games, you need the 2 games, or you cant say you have the entire collection. Renejr902 (talk) 04:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Still i understand your point. But i dont have time to edit all re-release game. But i think punch-out is the only re-release nes game that have his data modified included the graphics and the title. we should add this re-release because the list if somehow missing information, its not complete. IMPORTANT NOTE: im sorry i think i messed up some title , im really sorry. im new here. sorry Renejr902 (talk) 05:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

But this is not intended to be a collector's list, but rather a list of games that were released. Also, your comparison to Street Fighter II is incorrect; as I said above, everything is same except swapping out a palette and character description. –MuZemike 05:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

i understand, you seem right, but the title is different, isnt ? is nintendo really changed the title ? if not maybe the game Title is only: Punchout!!, and not Mike tyson Punchout. anyway im not sure anymore about anything about this game. LOL Renejr902 (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

anyway someone must add all the nes re-release games. this way the list will be complete. Maybe in a separate list. Renejr902 (talk) 05:29, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Putting back release month?

I know a good while ago I removed the month of release date from all the entries due to size issues. However, since we're only at about 56KB and that we did do some streamlining not too long ago to save some space, would it be worthwhile to add that back in (assuming it would only bump the size up by around 10-20KB or so)? –MuZemike 04:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Month release for each nes game will be a good improvement on the list. and more complete list. in the nes game list pdf from nintendo all month release info is there. Renejr902 (talk) 05:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Gun.Smoke or Gunsmoke?

As far as I know, and how about every source has it, the game is Gun.Smoke and not Gunsmoke. The NES game (and its arcade counterpart) has no connection to the TV series of the same, and that has been the name of the game. There is no reason for it to be Gunsmoke. –MuZemike 01:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

R.B.I. Baseball

From what I gather, with regards to this edit, R.B.I. Baseball was released by Namco but only in Japan for the Famicom; this is already accounted for in the list of Famicom games. It was released in North America but only for Tengen if I recall correctly; I know there were games such as Pac-Man that were originally were released by Tengen and then rereleased by Namco after the Nintendo/Tengen lawsuit, but I don't think R.B.I. Baseball was one of them. I don't know what 76.121.35.94 exactly means by what version he has; AFAIK, it could be the Japanese version. –MuZemike 02:02, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

ALERT.

This page has been vandalized by a no-lifer creature from Phillipines. --Hydao (talk) 06:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism or no, refrain from dehumanizing people like this. Ringbang (talk) 16:30, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Ermmm... Yes, you are kinda right, but you didn't know what happen. I'm just going to show you this link, which is only one example of his (or her??) lameness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLBP%27s_Revenge ... you can also check my user page. It was never vandalized until that "whatever creature" noticed that I spotted the MLBP's Revenge's uber-lameness and so on. The term "no-life creature" was too soft. It was a little bit hilarious though... :)--Hydao (talk) 17:49, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

No. Ringbang (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)