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Strange[edit]

Something funny's going on in chemistry in the mid 50s. Doesn't agree with Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Sluj 00:56, 11 December 2004

I agree. Can someone confirm that the chemistry in the mid 50s is correct, because I would think the Nobel Prize Site would be more corrrect. User:Jarchie 05:08, 23 April 2007

How about a template for Nobel Prize Laureates, which could be added to every person/organization? --Neoneo13 22:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it is odd that Nobel laureate redirects here, but Nobel Laureate redirects to Nobel Prize. I would think they should go to the same place, probably here. --Steve-o 18:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Only one article should remain, Steve: the one with an uncapitalized "l". Extremely sexy 12:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
In fact, both should remain, and both should be redirects to here, which is what happened. Carcharoth 13:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay then: agreed. Extremely sexy 14:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Nobel Prize fractions[edit]

Unfortunately, none of Wikipedia's Nobel laureate lists is taking into account that not all Nobel laureates are of equal importance. Some obviously had much more impact than others. One of them even achieved superstardom and became "man of the century", while most of them remain largely unknown. Here we cannot judge who deserved it etc. But we ought to report how the Nobel committee expresses its own view of the value of individual contributions by awarding fractional prizes. The official Nobel web site explicitly says for each laureate X how much of a Nobel Prize X really got, for example, "1/4 of the prize" or "1/2 of the prize" or "1/3 of the prize" etc. If X got less than 1.0 Nobel Prizes X is still a Nobel laureate, of course, but it's also clear that X could have done better. Everybody in the field, and especially the laureates themselves, are fully aware of the significance of these fractional prizes. Suppose the physics prize goes to 3 researchers, one of them gets 1/2, the others 1/4 each - it's absolutely clear whose contribution was larger in the eyes of the committee.

I think all Wikipedia Nobel Prize lists must be augmented by this crucial information! This will also put in perspective the recent inflation of Nobel laureates in the sciences, which is easy to explain: most of the recent laureates had to share the prize while most of the early laureates got a full prize. The sum of the Nobel Prizes per year is constant; you may divide it among many laureates, but then the laureates necessarily become less outstanding on average. Science History 14:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the 1/3, 1/4, etc, bits should be added. I disagree that anything should be said about what this implies. Just record the bare facts and avoid speculation about relative worth - it doesn't work when covering more than a century of science anyway. Carcharoth 13:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The Nobel Foundation doesn't take a position on whether the fractions have any meaning. If "[e]verybody in the field [... is] fully aware", that's doesn't have any impact on Wikipedia. Find some reliable sources for that claim, and then we can start talking about doing more that merely noting the fractions. RossPatterson (talk) 21:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

RFC: Country data in Nobel lists[edit]

There is currently a Request for Comments about the country data in the Nobel lists at Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry#RFC: Country data in Nobel lists. Your comments would be appreciated. The results of the RFC may affect all of the Nobel Prize articles. panda 17:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Laureates is from.....[edit]

I dont know if anyone here knows Dutch. But but there is a Laurierkrans Which is given to the olympic games (dont know if games is the right word) winners. Anyone know if Laureates is connected with Laurier or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.54.3 (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes: I do, because I live in Flanders, so that's even my own mother tongue, and you are indeed correct, moreover, we also say "gelauwerden" or laureaten for the winners and lauwerkrans (laurier is a tree), derived from the verb lauweren plus its adjective lauwering (in Latin: laudare and laudatio resp.), meaning to honor and honoring resp. Extremely sexy 11:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Icons[edit]

Should the nobel peace laureates have a nobel medal icon under their name and above their picture while other laureates do not, yet if we look at templates it explicitly states that icons should not placed in this position??? Someone111111 (talk) 07:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Good question for moderators. Extremely sexy (talk) 21:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
This is currently being discussed on Template talk:Nobel icon Zaian (talk) 13:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification. Extremely sexy (talk) 14:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Economics?[edit]

There's no such prize... That's the federal banks prize in honor of Nobel, a completely different prize. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karpeth (talkcontribs) 15:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, it might be better to give it a page of it's own to make clear that distinction. Having the Nobel Prise and the Banks prize in thesame chart, as is done in this article, is confusing.Wikinegern (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Dates of Death?[edit]

It would be nifty to add dates of death, or maybe just a "deceased" mark next to appropriate names. I'll start compiling a list, but don't hesitate to jump in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.137.148.197 (talk) 21:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Reformat of the page?[edit]

I would like to try for a Nobel laureates FT with this as the main page and I would like to reformat the page. If anyone objects or has any suggestions, this is your chance.

This is my proposed format. It would stick just to names and years and ignore details like nationality and reasoning (for those, one could just go to the appropriate list). However, things such as refusing the prize will be noted. For double winners, I am thinking of using a coloured column so that they will stick out more. Anyway, all opinions are welcome. -- Scorpion0422 19:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Year Physics Chemistry Physiology
or Medicine
Literature Peace Economics
1901 Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen Jacobus H. van 't Hoff Emil von Behring Sully Prudhomme Henry Dunant
Frédéric Passy
This
1902 Hendrik A. Lorentz
Pieter Zeeman
Emil Fischer Ronald Ross Theodor Mommsen Élie Ducommun
Albert Gobat
Space
1903 Henri Becquerel
Pierre Curie
Marie Curie
Svante Arrhenius Niels Ryberg Finsen Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson Randal Cremer For Rent!
wonderful design Scorpion, it looks really neat. Atif.hussain (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

List per subject?[edit]

Isn't there a similar list with the subject the laureates has been awarded for rather than the focus on the persons? Electron9 (talk) 12:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

A similar list with the work for which the award was given does seem to be missing from wikipedia. It would be an important page to be added and linked from this page. Atif.hussain (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Nobel Laureates list[edit]

This page is a somewhat comprehensive list of achievers in various fields. Instead of sticking to the literary meaning, "Nobel laureate", which would disqualify even economics, we should try to cover all other imp. subject awards here. This could be named "List_of_Apex_Laureates" or some other suitable name, covering the 5 Nobel prizes, Federal bank's Economics award, Abel award in Maths, etc., and List_of_Nobel_laureates redirected to this page. This would make it a comprehensive list of imp. award winners, instead of sticking to Nobel awards. Atif.hussain (talk) 21:46, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Photo[edit]

Why is a photo of the US president used for this page? The whole picture seems very US-centric and thus inappropriate for an international prize in an international encyclopedia. There ought to be more appropriate photos available? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.233.193.12 (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100%, but there really aren't any more free photos that show recipients in multiple categories. Would you prefer an image that shows Dick Cheney instead? -- Scorpion0422 17:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree too. Perhaps this historic photo would be more appropriate? [1] Fraserlind (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Your suggestion is much better. this may be POV, but having Bush as the first recognizable face on this article, of all articles, is just too weird for me to handle. anyway, there is at least one well known laureate, luis alvarez, in the 68 photo.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

By institution?[edit]

Is there any reference/list the reports Laureates by the institution they were affiliated with at the time? (or primarily affiliated with throughout their career?). Note sure if this is a meaningful question, but I was curious :-) Natebailey (talk) 02:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

This might be what you're looking for. I was thinking of rewriting List of Nobel Laureates by university affiliation using that list, but never got around to it (would be hell of a lot of work also :D). — sephiroth bcr (converse) 10:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah, my bad. I misread your post. Was "institutions" applied in the broadest sense, or simply to universities? If it is the former, then no such list probably exists, and if the latter, then there you go. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 10:07, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Recipients of unrelated prizes[edit]

If the recipients of the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economics are included in this article, we will have to include recipients of other unrelated (non-Nobel) prizes, like the "Alternative Nobel Prize" (the Right Livelihood Award). GVU (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

No, this has been discussed previously and the consensus was that laureates in Economics belong in this article.radek (talk) 21:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
There is no consensus. The only previous discussion was a comment that the Riksbank Prize (obviously!) doesn't belong here, because it's a different prize. If there is any consensus, it's to remove the Riksbank prize. GVU (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
The issue with the prize was discussed extensively over at Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences. A single comment by an anon user does not constitute consensus.radek (talk) 21:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
That's irrelevant. GVU (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
We're only including the prizes recognized by the Nobel Foundation. Winners of other prizes are not officially considered "Nobel laureates" and will not be included here. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 03:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
No, we're only including prizes etablished by the will of Alfred Nobel. Other prizes are not officially considered "Nobel laureates" and will not be included here. For this exact reason, Riksbank laureates belong in a different article, as it is a different prize that has nothing to do with Nobel and his prizes. The recipients of the Riksbank Prize are not Nobel laureates, but Riksbank laureates. GVU (talk) 06:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
...does this this list on the official Nobel Foundation website make it obvious enough that your position is wrong or do you need more convincing? — sephiroth bcr (converse) 06:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
On the contrary, the Riksbank Prize is consistently not referred to as a "Nobel prize" or the laureates as "Nobel" laureates by the Nobel Foundation (compare all the other prizes the foundation is managing, which are all referred to as Nobel prizes, for instance "All Nobel Laureates in Physics", "All Nobel Laureates in Chemistry" and so forth, but only "All Laureates in Economics". The page also clearly states that the name of the prize is "The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel". Not the "Nobel Prize in Economics". Does this make it obvious enough that your position is wrong or do you need more convincing? GVU (talk) 17:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Regardless, the prize is recognized by the Nobel Foundation (unlike the one you mentioned above), and every media and piece of news in existence refers to them as "Nobel laureates", regardless of whatever is on the Nobel Foundation page; you're attempting to be ridiculously strict and shortsighted here. Anyhow, you have no consensus whatsoever, any changes you attempt will be reverted, and you're harping for nothing here. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 20:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

<-- It's pretty obvious that here we're dealing with a "true believer" which this topic unfortunately tends to attract. The fact that economics laureates are listed along with other laureates by the Nobel foundation is not enough - Wikipedia should do it differently! Differently than the Nobel foundation. This dispute pops up with a clockwork like regularity and in fact what we have already is a compromise. Again, GVU needs to come up with something entirely new and convincing or else it's a referral to the archives.radek (talk) 19:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Why do we have Template:Sveriges Riksbank laureates in economics 2001–2025 but Template:Nobel laureates in economics, Template:Nobel laureates in economics 1969-1975, and Template:Nobel laureates in economics 1976-2000? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Merge?[edit]

I think this article should be merged with List of Nobel Peace Prize laureates. SCG 147 00:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The argument against is that the lists for the individual prizes include the price rationale, and not just the name of the laureates. Tomas e (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Change to heading of Template for Laureates of the Nobel Peace Prize[edit]

For a proposed minor change to heading of the Template for Laureates of the Nobel Peace Prize, see Template talk:Nobel Peace Prize#Heading to Template. Davshul (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Lede photo[edit]

it was brought up a year ago that the lede photo, while showing many laureates, also shows a us president, which is somewhat us centric. a 68 photo from wikimedia commons was suggested. i propose we change it, as its not us centric, has one well known laureate, alvarez, and is a better photo (close up of faces). unless objected to, im gonna do it soon.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Table organization[edit]

I think the table in this article is not organized very well. Organizing the columns by Prize Category doesn't really make sense. I think a table like the one below would allow for a lot more information to be presented, with a much more useful sorting capability. The more information we can present on this page, the easier it is for users to sort by that information and find what they need.

Name Year Category Country Affiliation Notes
Röntgen, Wilhelm ConradWilhelm Conrad Röntgen 1901 Physics Germany University of Würzburg Things
Einstein, AlbertAlbert Einstein 1921 Physics Austria University of Zurich Stuff
Obama, BarackBarack Obama 2009 Peace United States Harvard Law School Junk

Currently, the table can only be sorted by Year and Category. Using the above table would allow sorting by any parameter, and therefore there would be no need for additional spin-off list articles like List of Nobel laureates by country and List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation and List of Nobel laureates affiliated with Princeton University. All the information would reside in this table and be easily sortable. Any thoughts? SnottyWong talk 19:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Obviously, this would be a lot of work too. But it would be worth it. Assuming there is consensus to make this change, it would be much more practical if several people took a chunk of the table and converted it over. At the least, we'd have to look up the country for each person, as well as their university affiliation (can be found here). I'll volunteer to take a large chunk... anyone else up for it? SnottyWong talk 21:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I like the looks of it, but if you're wanting to merge List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation back in, then you'd have to somehow include "Graduate", "Attendee or Researcher", "Academic staff before or at the time of award", and "Academic staff after award" categories into the "Affiliation" column. I personally have no preference, just pointing out that there's additional information in the other table. There's some similar information in the "Relation" column at List of Nobel laureates affiliated with Princeton University, so maybe that's the way to go. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I see what you're saying. I'm sure we could figure out a slick way to incorporate that information, perhaps using footnotes to designate the type of affiliations. I'm also not insistent on completely merging this article with List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation as it may only be practical to list the laureates' primary affiliations in this table. I think it's more important to attempt to get as much information as possible into one sortable table rather than spreading it around a bunch of different articles. SnottyWong talk 22:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I think we cd easily use 4 different symbols after the university name to designate the relationship. Good idea though. Sandman888 (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it's a valid problem though. Some of these people might affiliations with 6 or 7 different universities. We could stuff them all into this table, but it might start to look nasty. We might just want to come up with a "primary affiliation" criteria so that we can list a single university for each person, and let List of Nobel laureates by university affiliation do the rest. Example criteria possibilities: University where the person did the research associated with their award, University where the person was primarily employed when they received their award, etc. SnottyWong talk 21:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You're forgetting that there are currently lists for all six Nobel prizes. This table is meant to provide a quick listing of winners, as well as a list of winners per year, which is something wikipedia lacks. -- Scorpion0422 01:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I figured that having all of the information in one sortable table would be the most efficient way to go, assuming it is practical. If there is no consensus for it, then I would just as well not go through the considerable effort required, and I'm certainly not going to fight for it. Especially considering this is a featured list, if the opinion isn't near unanimous, then I'm ok with just dropping the idea. SnottyWong talk 04:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd oppose the idea in this list. There must be some 600 names in this list. And I think that to have all the extra information in one list would not be managable. Is affiliation really that important. I'm sure it is important for the institution (i.e. bragging rights) but how relevent to the laureate is it in all cases. In some cases it might be where they did the work that got them rewarded but in others perhaps it is just where they graduated from. That is not to say I think the idea of incorportating more information in a sortable way is a bad idea (it's one I quite like) however I think it would need to be somewhere else (sublists?) Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:32, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

lead photo down[edit]

The lead picture is down. 86.9.199.117 (talk) 11:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Nobel laureate in the field of economics[edit]

To date no-one has received a nobel prize in the field of economics, because there is no such prize (many people have received prizes from the swedish central bank for economics, but that is not a nobel prize). I propose that the economics parts of the table should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.119.139 (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

insert a flag[edit]

Insert a national flag against each laureate in the table,so that it becomes easy to trace the country of their origin.Thank you!Skashifakram (talk) 04:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Multiple prizes?[edit]

The article states that "Six laureates have received more than one prize" but only mentions that the International Committee of the Red Cross has received the Nobel Peace Prize three times. Who are the other 5 laureates who received multiple prizes? The reference is broken. 131.251.252.33 (talk) 12:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I fixed the reference and I added the rest of multiple laureats. Einsbor (talk) 08:50, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

External links[edit]

Maybe someone can add this external link to this article: http://mediatheque.lindau-nobel.org/ - it lists videos, CVs and Research Profiles of the Nobel Laureates (Requested 01.07.2014). Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.3.136.181 (talk) 08:49, 1 July 2014 (UTC)