Talk:List of Olympic records in athletics

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Events no longer on Olympic list[edit]

Although they will never be broken, there are a large number of Olympic records in events that are no longer part of the programme. One wonders how this got to FL status when it is so clearly incomplete. See here and here for the events involved. At the very least, the lead ought to acknowledge the shortcoming of the list. Kevin McE (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for you belated input. I will address your concern in the list itself. Feel free to list it at WP:FLRC if you think it doesn't meet WP:WIAFL. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I have added a note, hopefully that is sufficient for now. If you do wish to list it at FLRC, perhaps you would be kind enough to leave it until the article is no longer on the main page? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Interestingly, I did a search on the IOC for one of those "defunct" events, specifically one which you pointed to, women's 3,000m which was run at three games. The IOC themselves don't seem to list an "Olympic record" for them, if this search is anything to go by. I searched a few other defunct events, got similar results. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Surely anything that can be demonstrated to be the fastest time at an Olympic Games is the Olympic record. For events that only featured at one Games, then the records of that games are proof (eg 3,500 m walk and sources in the article). For more recent events, eg the women's 3000m, then IAAF records will prove that 8:26.53 is the record. Undoubtedly the data is less conveniently sorted (I have just come across [www.sports-reference.com this site] which reports at least some records), but I don't think that justice is done by ignoring the historic events. Perhaps editors at WP:WikiProject Olympics will know suitable RSes. Kevin McE (talk) 21:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it's a bit synthetic to "create" Olympic records which the IOC themselves don't even acknowledge. But meh. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I would think that the best legal performance at an Olympics is, de facto, an olympic record. Who a record is listed by is not, I would suggest, intrinsic to the definition. Kevin McE (talk) 09:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
You may think that, but if the IOC themselves don't recognise the defunct event's records, I'm unclear as to why Wikipedia should. Still, as I said, now it's not on main page, feel free to nominate the list at WP:FLRC. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Sarcastic selective quotation is not a useful contribution to discussion. So what is the definition of a record? Kevin McE (talk) 17:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Not sarcastic at all, simply a statement of fact, that you, or indeed anyone else may think it appropriate to use mathematics and deduction to declare records (you did say "I would think that...."). However, I'm using the IOC records database which lists current records as actual Olympic records, and doesn't acknowledge that defunct events, e.g. the women's 3,000m as you pointed me to, have Olympic records. Sure it may not be perfect but if the governing body of the Olympic Games doesn't acknowledge a women's 3,000m record, I'm not sure why we should synthetically choose to do so. But, once again, I've added the caveat to the page, and you're free to list this page at WP:FLRC, since this conversation is clearly going nowhere given our opposing views (and given the lack of interest from anyone else). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
At the time a record in a defunct event was set IOC of course did recognise these times as records. So nothing speaks against to list records in defunct events. Wikipedia can be more than an actual IOC database which just list current records.Montell 74 (talk) 13:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)