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Article length[edit]

I'm getting the 32K warning as I add titles and author names to this article. Anyone want to suggest how best to split this into two articles? With so much crossover between series it's hard to just have separate pages for books based on TOS or DS9 or whatever, but it might be possible create a page just for the directly TOS-based books since that's the longest list. (I hope to add the remaining authors and titles after I return from a trip next week, but if anyone wants to fill in the rest of the blanks, be my guest!) 23skidoo 00:42, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I never did get around to continuing my "project", however I think this page might look better in table format, so might try to make that change when I have a moment or two. 23skidoo 16:35, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

How do you want to list the anthologies?[edit]

Since they have multiple authors, and occasionally span series, how should anthologies be listed?

Disambiguated[edit]

I have disambiguated several blue links that were leading to the wrong articles. I used two rules:

  • Add "(Star Trek)" for links leading to articles not related to Star Trek.
  • Add "(novel)" for links leading to Star Trek -related articles that were about a character, an episode or a term. Adding "(Star Trek)" in this case would have been useless.

JIP | Talk 10:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

incorrect link[edit]

A Rock and a Hard Place (Peter David), 1990 links to a Vietnam War novel by David Sherman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.244.86.60 (talkcontribs)

it appears to be properly linked to an unabiguous article name now. Bovineone 06:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
The Janus Gate (L.A. Graf)* 1: Present Tense, 2002 linbks to some cd dunno how to redrict the linkColsmeghead 21:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Fixed it. In general, if that happens, edit the link to add (Star Trek novel) to the end of it. For instance, I changed [[Present Tense]] to [[Present Tense (Star Trek novel)|Present Tense]]. The "|Presnt Tense" after the article name makes it appear as "Present Tense" rather than "Present Tense (Star Trek novel)". Newnam(talk) 22:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


Author Susan Wright's link has nothing to do with her, but with another Susan Wright.

most novels?[edit]

I put a {{fact}} tag on the sentence about "most novels based on a single fictional universe". I've heard the claim made about Doctor Who novels as well — I'm not necessarily doubting that Star Trek may have more, but it would still be good to have a citation to back that up. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 04:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

No idea about the Trek novels, but the Guinness listing for Doctor Who was more specifically for "most novels based around one character", as I recall. Given the various Trek storylines have different sets of characters, it's perfectly possible that it has more books and that both claims are correct. Angmering 20:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I figure the only citation you're likely to find is on a newsgroup. I asked this question a few times and the current understanding is Star Trek either physically has more books out than Doctor Who, or has more original novels than Doctor Who, if you consider that the current total output for Doctor Who includes approximately 150 novelisations, compared to maybe 2 dozen max for Star Trek. I doubt you'll find a book giving a citation of this nature. 23skidoo 03:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
It depends on how you define 'novel'. You can make a case that Doc Savage has about 200 and The Shadow has about 250. Tom Swift was in the 200 or so range also. The champion is probably Perry Rhodan with over a thousand to date, although there may may some Mystery or Western series with more; Perry Mason, for instance. And what about Harlequin Romances? CFLeon 02:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Star Trek: Titan wikilinks[edit]

I reverted the wikilinks to the individual Titan novels, as at this point it is very unlikely that there will be individual articles for each novel when the Star Trek: Titan article is very comprehensive. Also, the Sword of Damocles link does not link to an article that is about a Star Trek novel. I don't think there is a need to have "red links" that will never be created. Newnam(talk) 21:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

i was writing a topic for orions hands when i got a message that my other artciles wher being deleteds, so iw as going to hold uploading till i could find out why. i dont make new pages often so i assumed there was somethign wrong with my style--Colsmeghead 21:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Titan renumbering[edit]

I seem to recall that Titan, the publishers of the Star Trek books in the UK, renumbered the original series books. I'm pondering whether it would be worth listing this renumbering, and if so, what format to do it in (the article is long enough that just having another list seems a bad idea) Morwen - Talk 16:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the list annotated with the Titan numbers. It is somewhat random. They appear to have started in 1987, putting out new books and also random back catalogue. Things make an awful lot more sense to me now about these books. Having Battlestations! be the book immediately before "The Rift" makes no sense at all, for example. Don't know when they stopped this series. The last I can find in this series at amazon.ca is "The Great Starship Race", Pocket #67, but Titan #52, which just about fits with my memory.

structure issues[edit]

i've just noticed that this article had (until I started table-ifying stuff) the books in pretty much the same structure as Voyages of the Imagination. I don't know to what extent that ordering is copyrightable- but at any rate it seems inappropriate, and I think makes my making things be chronological seem more appropriate. any suggestions as to how i should mark relaunch stuff? (or rather, non-relaunch stuff after an implied cut-off point?) Morwen - Talk 23:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The ordering this list uses is a logical one, so it makes sense that the book would have followed a structure similar to the one this article uses. After all, the only novels from publishers other than Pocket Books (or Wanderer, Archway, Minstrel, etc., which are all fellow imprints of Simon & Schuster, i.e. sister companies to Pocket) were from before TNG or any other series existed. This is also pretty much the order that I used when I was creating the booklists for the back of the book, back in the 2001-2004 timeframe. (That was discontinued due to the immense size... with around 30 new titles a year, or closer to 40 if you include the eBooks, the list was getting very long.) My list pre-dates this Wikipedia page, but I have no problem with the page using a similar structure as well. --Psiphiorg 22:34, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, that makes sense. How do you feel about me integrating the numbered and non-numbered books in chronological list as I have done? I think it gets thoroughly confusing otherwise, as the numbered books seemed to kind of peter out in 2000/1. And then there's all sorts of weird things like the first four Rihannsu books being numbered, but the last one not, and that sort of thing. But I'm open to argument on the matter.
Also it would be good to indicate hardcover-originally books. Morwen - Talk 16:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
What you've done here is looking pretty good. It can definitely be a difficult task figuring out the optimal arrangement for the lists, but one nice thing about the web is that we can continually tweak things and don't have to be committed to one layout if something better is developed. I'm sure I'll have some ideas on improvement as the page develops, but by all means, be bold and try things out! --ΨΦorg 20:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Adding this in as a new question on the structure issue. Why is the Section 31 books for TNG and DS9 included with their respective sections, but the ones for TOS and VOY are not? I do not want to correct this before checking if there is a logic to it.

splittage[edit]

Ok, as noted on User_talk:JIP, I'm thinking that probably splitting this by "era" would be best, so having Enterprise/TOS/Vanguard books in one article, and then TNG/Voyager/DS9/Titan/IKS Gorkon/New Frontier/Stargazer books in another article, would be best. This poses a special problem for things like The Lost Era and the books featuring Spock and Kirk in the TNG era but branded under TOS, so guess those would want to be on both lists as appropriate. I will make a massive spreadsheet and then see what I can come up with. Morwen - Talk 10:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

a time to to[edit]

okay i've just started on time for war time for peace but i got a feeling i went into too much detail in the triva a) any suggestions b) is there a book page that is the "gold standard" ie set out properly not too much detail etc etc that i could look at to help me write better articles?

incorrect hyperlink[edit]

In the above list of books, number 59 "The Disinherited" has an incorrect link. It points to a book by Jack Conroy published during the 1930's, not the Trek novel by the same title. I am unsure how to correct. --Mountaineer1984 05:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

one way to correct links of Star Trek novels is to add (Star Trek) on it: example [[The Disinherited (Star Trek)]]. --bluemask (talk) 05:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Voyages of Imagination[edit]

I recently created the article on the Star Trek reference guide on the novels, "Voyages of Imagination". Feel more than free to expand and improve the article.--DrWho42 (talk) 20:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Rihannsu, Books one and Two?[edit]

I was looking through the list and I noticed this slight jump:

No. Title Author Released Set
93 New Earth, Book Five
Thin Air
Kristine Kathryn Rusch and Dean Wesley Smith August 2000
94 New Earth, Book Six
Challenger
Diane Carey August 2000
95 Rihannsu, Book Three
Swordhunt
Diane Duane October 2000
96 Rihannsu, Book Four
Honor Blade
Diane Duane October 2000

Shouldn't Rihannsu, Books One and Two be on that list as numbers 94 and 95?cdmajava There are always possibilities... 01:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Books one and two are listed under #18 and #35 (as they had been published much earlier).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't they still be together as one series? or the books actually numbered that way?cdmajava There are always possibilities... 01:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Can't say for sure if they are numbered that way (although in all probability they are), because I don't own a copy, but since the list is sorted chronologically by publication date, they can't be listed together because they are just too far apart. This is not to say you are not welcome to try organizing this whole page better; it can certainly use (a lot of) improvement :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Any suggestions?cdmajava There are always possibilities... 23:42, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Not really, sorry, although the "mini-series" section can certainly be expanded with entries such as Rihannsu. Also, sortable tables could be useful, but that's about all of the ideas I have at the moment.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
What do you mean by sortable tables?Cdmajava; Darn sig didnt wanna work 07:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
A sortable table is a table that can be sorted by one or several columns (by title, by author, by date, etc.). See Help:Sorting for details and examples.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Star Trek Next Generation covers[edit]

Does anyone know when and WHY the logo for the books was replaced with generic font? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.223.68 (talk) 01:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

It began occurring with the movie tie-in novels (such as Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, Etc.) and then was most likely changed to bring it in line with its movie counterpart titles. Most likely because the original TNG font was beginning to look a bit dated after the turn of the century. As iconic as it was, it was a very dated, very "80's" looking font and logo. But I have no clear cut answer, I'm acquaintances with Marco Palmieri though (he ran the Trek Devision during the time of the changover), so I'll ask him and see if I can get a sourced answer.--JYHASH (talk) 05:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Timeframe of novels possible WP:NOR violation[edit]

I just made a few corrections to the Pocket Books section where someone has attempted to list when certain novels take place chronologically. Several books are listed as taking place between Star Trek II and III, yet feature Spock (if you have to ask...); Black Fire likewise even though it is clearly described as occurring near the end of the 5-year mission (the TMP-era uniforms are introduced in one chapter). These errors give the impression that some Original Research/speculation is going on here. I suggest someone with a bit more knowledge of the novels, or perhaps a secondary resource that does list the chronology of each novel (I believe Pocket Books has one in its Voyages of Imagination compilation), police this information. I only fixed the ones I knew about. 70.72.215.252 (talk) 14:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hologram's Handbook[edit]

IP edits sometimes get automatically deleted, it seems. In case it disappears, I added a missing misc. work to the list - Robert Picardo's The Hologram's Handbook, published by Simon & Schuster in 2002. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 00:53, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Young adult novelizations, Wanderer Books and other comments[edit]

Since there is a heading for Wanderer Books, it should include the YA novelization of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home by Peter Lerangis. I have this book, and it is from Wanderer Books (it should be noted that Wanderer Books was an imprint of Simon and Schuster, the parent company of Pocket Books.)

Checking the ISFDB, it appears that the four listed books and ST IV: The Voyage Home are the only Star Trek books from Wanderer.

I don't believe there are YA novelizations for ST V: The Final Frontier or ST VI: The Undiscovered Country. However, there ARE YA novelizations for each of the Next Generation films, all by John Vornholt. I don't have these, so I assume they are from Pocket Books instead of a juvenile imprint. I don't know if there are any YA adaptions for the 2009 film or the 2013 sequel.

On the next subject, mention should be made that the Generations paperback had a different ending from the hardcover. According to the Complete Starfleet Library, the hardcover used the film's original ending, which was reshot after the book had been printed. The paperback has the revised ending. http://www.well.com/~sjroby/lcars/1994.html#tngstg

Finally, many of the novelization links go to the film, instead of the article for the books. I don't know how Wikipedia handles things like that, whether it would be better to have a redlink that says Movie Name (book) or whether it's better to just link to the film. I thought the film pages should at least have a line or two mentioning the novelization and author, however. 68.97.202.205 (talk) 21:50, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

67.191.130.139's changes[edit]

67.191.130.139 introduced a large scale change whereby all the unnumbered novels in each series were given sequential numbers with those that were released during the numbered eras given .1 numerations. I know of no source that supports this change. I have reverted his/her changes to the TOS section but do not currently have the time or energy to undo all of the changes. I did not want to completely revert to before these changes as I do not want to lose subsequent edits. If no one else tackles the rest of 67.191.130.139's changes in the next few days I will undo them myself. --Khajidha (talk) 15:29, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I think I've removed all the erroneous numbers now. --Khajidha (talk) 15:01, 31 December 2013 (UTC)