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Illustrations please[edit]

chop chop.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 04:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

merged, featured list soon?[edit]

Allright, the stubby classes have been merged in, next lets get summaries entered for the larger articles that retained independence. With luck and some hard work, this can make a featured list as it's not bogged down by excessive fair use images like the rank one is. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 05:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Err no this article will never be a featured list as it is no list. I reverted all your edits in a lump sum. A list does not have 51+ sections. Your version simply put is very hard to follow.
I have writen a featured lists from scratch. This article should be in a table format and should be a comparasion chart. That is the point of lists right? Each ships description should not exeed a single sentece. --Cool CatTalk|@ 01:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
You have been reverted. Lists such as this are common. Suggest you look around at others. -Mask Flag of Alaska.svg 01:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Just for example here, these are all Featured Lists:
-Mask Flag of Alaska.svg
Excuse me I am not going to revert you but I will oppose the Featured Candidateness of this article. See WP:OWN as well as List of Oh My Goddess episodes. --Cool CatTalk|@ 20:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Sources for classifying scout/escort/etc...[edit]

Just curious, how do we know that the Danube class is a type of scout? Or that the Defiant class is a type of escort? AlistairMcMillan 19:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay so that source says the Defiant class is an escort but according to your source the Danube class isn't a scout vessel. AlistairMcMillan 20:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I make mistakes. I ci--Cat out 20:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)ted the source and there is a great amount of information. It is overwhelming for a single person.
  • I am copying all list of ships from their respective articles. Such as Galaxy class starship
  • After that I'll check for classes, weather or not is it cannon. is it really a cruser or not etc.
  • after that I'll check for sources (aka what episode the ship was from) which is actualy avalible on the articles explaining the ships. Feel free to check ship class pages.
In sum, feel free to assist. --Cat out 17:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Some time in the next couple of days I'm going to start going through and removing all the starships that don't list sources. Where I remember the sources I'll add them myself. I'm also going to remove the classifications that have been used here unless someone can supply a canon source that backs them up. Please see WP:VERIFY if you have a problem with this. AlistairMcMillan 17:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Well some do have sources. The tachion blocade happened on spesific episodes. Should be easy enough to source. Which ships are you looking at? --Cat out 03:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

table[edit]

Excelsior class starship Miranda class starship

Is it posible for someone to add these ships in a table format? --Cat out 20:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I have done the Excelsior class. --Cat out 11:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Done both... :P --Cat out 12:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Halo[edit]

The subjects at the bottom of the list, such as "Pillar of Autum" and "In Amber Clad" should probably be removed, as the rest of the article is about Starfleet from the Star Trek series, while these ships and space stations are from the Halo videogame series and not connected.


-agreed, Star Trek and Halo are two seperate universes.

Delta Flyer[edit]

Why isn't there any mention of the Delta Flyer under the auxiliary vessels section? Wl219 09:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Why dont you do it :) --Cat out 08:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Should this article not be "List of Starfleet ships by class?" The article lists ships, not the classes of ships, whihc the title says.say1988 18:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The classes are listed along with ships. A category should be used if you do not want to include information. --Cat out 21:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Pre-Fed ships[edit]

According to startrek.com, Daedalus class ships are early Federation not pre-Federation. The Daedalus section should be bisected from the NX class section. Wl219 16:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I dont mind that --Cat out 21:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Relevance?[edit]

Can we add some real world relevance to this article... i.e. info in a column specifying what fictional work we are referencing here? (Film title or TV episode this ship appears in or is referenced in?) Halfblue 05:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

We have that column, feel free to fill it in. I am working on other things so it will be some time before I have time for this particular article. --Cat out 12:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Going through the linked articles I am noticing a problem with a few of them. They seem to lead off or include in their entirety fictional information about the ship in question. The actual real world reference as to where this "ship" comes from is way down the article or buried in the notes. The Wikipedia Guide to layout WP:LAYOUT asks that "first paragraph summarizes the most important points of the article". I think an "important point" would be what specific work of fiction (title and plot detail) the ship in question comes from. Halfblue 14:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh dont give me the bla guideline thing. This is a list not an article. Furthermore article already tells the reader where the ships are from under "Participations" field. The tachion blocade for instance happened on a very spesific episode, citing the episode number shouldn't be rocket science. Same goes for stuff like battle of wolf 359. --Cat out 16:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Apparently you miss-read my post above since I was talking about "the linked articles" and not this page in particular. As to “bla guideline thing “, consensus guidelines is the way Wikipedia works. Since this is Wikipedia and not a Star Trek fan site information included is supposed to have citations. Halfblue 16:32, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Napalm + Chlorine[edit]

i.e., what I'd like to douse this list in. I started puting in some sources for these appearances but am frustrated by a few things. I'd like y'all's thoughts on these observations/suggestions:

  • "Cruiser" / "Heavy Cruiser" / "Escort" etc. -- With very few exceptions, it seems Starfleet doesn't categorize its ships like this. If I were looking for a particualar ship on this page, I would find the current headings virtually useless.
    • I'd suggest ditching the headings and sorting by ship class. Alternatively, perhaps a few major headings, e.g. "Starships" and "Support Craft", with the classes underneath.
  • Column headers. Seems that "participations" and "sources" should be merged, esp. for entries that have appeared multiple times (e.g. the Excelsior class Hood -- info.'s not all there on this page, but look at the Excelsior class starship (Star Trek) blurb).
    • What do you think about cutting the class pages' information and pasting it to this page (replacing the class page ship listings with a link to the list here). OR for the major ship classes on this page, napalm the tables here and link instead to the "List of ___ class ships" on the ship class pages. The rationale being that it seems silly to have a large portion of this information duplicated across this page and the class pages. Okay, time to partay; see y'all bleary eyed in the morning --EEMeltonIV 01:19, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

How about something more like this... AlistairMcMillan 01:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask why the list is set up alphabetically? Wouldn't it make more sense to arrange chronologically by when the ship class first came into service. Seems like readers would get a much better idea of the evolution of the Federation starship that way.132.183.70.215 15:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)JPH

Since it's a list, I imagine someone coming to this page is looking for info. on a specific class, in which case alphabetical is easier to find what you're looking for than chronological. --EEMeltonIV 17:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
And for most (if not all) off the classes, we don't know when they entered service. AlistairMcMillan 21:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge with/redirect to Lost Ships of Starfleet?[edit]

I came across Lost Ships of Starfleet, and someone suggested a merge with List of Starfleet ship classes. At first I thought that wasn't a good idea, but since List of Starfleet ship classes attempts to list the fate of each ship, perhaps the two should be merged (or possibly just creating a redirect from there to here). Thoughts? --Fang Aili talk 19:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, and I'd even suggest throwing in the "other ship classes", too. Just squeeze 'em all into one über list. --EEMeltonIV 19:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

edit sections?[edit]

Is there some way we can make each section editable? Right now you have to edit the whole thing at once. Is this a table issue? --Fang Aili talk 18:24, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually.. each type of ship is separate. But if there's a way to separate the ship classes that'd be cool. Some of them are pretty long. --Fang Aili talk 18:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Grouping?[edit]

Rather than just a straight alphabetical list, I wonder if it would make sense to clump these. Some random ideas:

  • By series in which they first appear? Problem is that this assumes someone coming here looking for info. -- someone who saw a Miranda class ship in DS9 may, oh my goodness, have to spend two extra seconds finding it under a "Movie ships" heading
  • Major vs. minor ships/classes? Problem is that it's subject to non-NPOV stuff
  • Multiple vs. single appearances? Possible way to avoid non-NPOV of doing major/minor ships, but excludes things like the Prometheus class -- then again, is that a major class?

My two strips of latinum. --EEMeltonIV 16:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorting by "class" makes greater sense. Enterprise-D appeared in the movies and in TNG,DS9 era. A checkbox like how Seiyu is handled in Oh My Goddess! might shed some light.
"Source" column should be converted to a <cite> structure.
There is very little known about the ships that made appearances every season. Little is known about even ships like voyager (which was turned inside out on a number of occasions)
Basicaly we mostly only know that a ship and/or its class exists and not much more.
--Cat out 16:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Where did these ships come from?[edit]

There are some ships and even classes in here that don't seem ever to have referenced on screen or even in the Star Trek: Encyclopedia, which normally has all the "semi" official speculation. Take for example the USS Endaevor II mentioned as being Daedalus class NCC 170????? Anyone know where this is supposed to have come from? I thought only canon stuff was supposed to make it into these articles. I'm open to correction but this seems to be someone's own made-up bit of Star Trek???? Rmkf1982 22:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't answer for everything, but there is an also lot of things from the Encyclopedia that aren't cited as such, and far too many bare episode citations. Morwen - Talk 17:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
In a dialog between Riker, Picard, and Data the ship that crashed has been identified as a "Daedalus class - USS Essex" at the beginning of the show. At time index 24:28 Picard inquires the now possessed Troi the designation and crew compliment of the Essex. She responds with "NCC-173, Daedalus class starship, crew compliment 229". I do not know about Endaevor nor do I care to investigate. --Cat out 17:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes. That's the entire extent of sourceable canon material about the Daedalus class. This article assigns the Archon and Horizon this class. It doesn't cite the Encyclopedia, which is the source of this. Instead it cites the episodes! Which contain no such claim, what with the Daedalus class not actually having been invented in TOS. This really is dreadful, that people have been putting these false citations in. I'm tempted rip out all these references as probably made up and stick a {{unreferenced}}, then re-add references as I can verify them. List of Star Trek planets has the same problem: it looks well-referenced but lots of the references are just lies. Morwen - Talk 21:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Shenandoah?[edit]

Since when was this ship confirmed to be an NX-class? There were only four said to be "on the drawing board" and Columbia appears to be the second of these four. Is the Shenandoah the NX-03 then? This doesn't fit with the admittedly fan-made idea that the NX class ships would all be named after real-life shuttles. I find it more likely it would be one of the Intrepid or Neptune classes, or something we haven't seen yet (and now, never will). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.38.166.124 (talk) 21:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

Aeroshuttle?[edit]

FAO EEMeltonIV

Saw your comment in the List of Starfleet ship classes article about the origins of the references to the Voyager Aeroshuttle. I would like to add my own doubts to yours so to speak - I can't recall coming across this anywhere. Does anyone else have any thoughts?

This is what fanboy central has to say on it. Considering other Okudagram-type things have made the cut, I suppose this is kosher... (?). --EEMeltonIV 19:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

"Status" column[edit]

Anyone else think the Status column is fairly useless? The overwhelming majority of these are "unknown", and instances where the ship is destroyed are covered under the "Significance" column. "In service" also seems a little too "in-universe"y. Probably this article needs to be finished up in terms of cleanup and getting significant info in, but would anyone object, strenuously or otherwise, to that "Status" column going away? --EEMeltonIV 04:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No ojections here - as you say, the significant column mostly includes the fate of the ship in cases where it was destroyed. If not, I'll get around to adding it in when i'm finished with the lost ships article. Speaking of which, lost ships could be merged into the main ships article - i know its been suggested before but how about we see what the lost article looks like when its mostly complete, and see if its information can be merged into the main article?Rmkf1982 08:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Status is necesary to identify which ones are destroyed, went afk/mia, or simply never mentioned out there. I wouldnt mind the usage of symbolism (a red cross representing destroyed and etc) --Cat out 11:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh nevermind I like it how it is now. --Cat out 22:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

please look at the edit i did for nx 01 i listed the shaip as in the museum,but it needs citing,can someone please cite this reference from enterprise episode these are the voyages,.thankyou Stuho1mez (talk) 00:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Peregrine-class[edit]

Okay, I know this is going to be a bone of contention, but having poked around, the modified Peregrine-class courier ships used by the Maquis are different than the Federation fighters like those used in the opening shots of the Battle of Bajor. If you look at the Memory Alpha pages, the two CG models are - while similar - demonstrateably different, leading me to believe the two are separate classes. Kant Lavar 02:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

{{main|}} major classes?[edit]

Rather than replicating information here and on separate class articles (i.e. the ones listed in Template:trekshipclass), would it be appropriate to cut-and-paste information here into the individual class articles and replace this content with {{main|-insert class article here-}}? NB List of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine characters for a page for which this seems to work. --EEMeltonIV 21:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge from USS Farragut (Star Trek)[edit]

Please merge any relevant content from USS Farragut (Star Trek) per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/USS Farragut (Star Trek). (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. Quarl (talk) 2007-02-26 08:52Z

merge[edit]

As noted on the article page - comments? suggestions? --Fredrick day 10:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

nobody has objected so I will carry out the merger over the weekend. --Fredrick day 21:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I object. It would make more sense for the reverse to happen. If any merger between the two were to occur, this list should be included as part of the class listings, as that page has much more useful information. Trekkie4christ 17:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I am removing the proposal to merge List of Starfleet ship classes into this one. See the arguments at that article's AFD for keeping it separate. - Fayenatic (talk) 09:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Danube / Yellowstone class[edit]

If the Yellowstone class is in the non-starship etc. section, shouldn't the Danube class be as well? Or vice versa? Seeing as they were variations of the same ship. Rmkf1982 Talk 16:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

suggestions[edit]

There needs to be a seperate page from this list for every ship and/or especially every class. and in every one of those pages there needs to be a picture of the ship in question.66.210.132.134 (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

No, there doesn't, and there shouldn't. Some might have notability, but the vast majority don't. We don't need and shouldn't create dozens of stub articles about each and every ship that was mentioned in passing. The important ships have pages, the unimportant ones don't. Wikipedia is NOT Memory Alpha, our job is not to explore every little piece of information about the Star Trek universe or any other universe at that. If it has notability, we will list it, but the vast majority of this ships here don't have it. For that same reason, we cannot justify putting pictures of every ship here. Most don't even have a picture since they're only mentioned in passing. This kind of stuff is left to Memory Alpha, Wikipedia only contains a summary. the_one092001 (talk) 08:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Class Unknown[edit]

Why are the Centaur and Enterprise-J both listed under "Class Unknown" when it lists their class right there? Shouldn't they be classified under "Centaur-class" and "Celestial-class" instead? the_one092001 (talk) 08:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC) Celestial class has never been the on screen etablished class for the enterprise j and should not be used at all Stuho1mez (talk) 00:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Phoenix

Where is the USS phoenix the first warp drive ship is it in a class or no —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernie2010 (talkcontribs) 02:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

The first warp-drive ship, from the film Star Trek: First Contact is not a Starfleet ship - it predates Starfleet. Therefore it's not included in this list of Starfleet starships. I hope that helps. - Salamurai (talk) 17:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Merge/rework[edit]

I've started working on a merge-and-redirect to an amalgamated list of Starfleet starship classes; you can track the work in progress here. I've explained the rationale for a merge/redirect, and solicited responses to a few questions, on the Star Trek wikiproject talk page here; if you're at all interested, please take a moment to read and respond. In my mind, the userspace work will replace the content on this page. In particular, I'm open to feedback as to whether a table or ; and : styling is better. The latter seems easier to maintain. --EEMIV (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

References[edit]

I appreciate that a lot of time and effort has gone into compiling this list and references. However a lot of the references are inaccurate. For example: a number of starships names, registries and dipictions (12 that I can see) are referenced as "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II. Star Trek: The Next Generation" yet if you review that episode, only 4 starships are mentioned by name on screen in that episode: USS Melborne, USS Lalo, USS Tolstoy and the USS Kyushu. The USS Roosevelt was referenced as being destroyed at Wolf 359 in Star Trek: Voyager "Unity". Some other starships such as the name USS Firebrand, comes only from behind the scenes information or "offical" Star Trek / Paramount publications such as the Star Trek Fact Files.

I cannot find any suitable reference (or disagree with the referencing for the following:

  • USS Sheffield NCC-1982-E (which is again referenced as "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II. Star Trek: The Next Generation".)
  • USS Tardis NCC-1963-X (apparently the one destroyed at Empok Nor referenced as "Empok Nor. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" - In fact I'll be suprised if a valid reference actually exists for this one as it does not fall into the classic naming trend observed throughout DS9 for these Danube Class Runabouts, and certainly not the registry - which is, if true, obviously an "in-joke" for Doctor Who, first broadcast in 1963 - but such a reference would not have made it on screen in a visable or audiable manner.
  • USS Cortéz NCC-78012 (while mentioned by name on screen, the registry is not mentioned or seen on screen in either cited reference.)
  • USS Keaton, Unknown Registry, Destroyed at battle for DS9 (No Reference)
  • USS Saratoga, NCC-31911-A, Miranda Class (while mentioned onscreen (I can't remember which episode, it remains uncited here)

These are just a few here. But I believe it serves to highlight that this article requires a lot of work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amwilson2000 (talkcontribs) 20:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Mislabelled Class[edit]

The Hope-class is mis-named. That was at an early point in the production cycle the intended name of the class, but as stated by Michael Okuda in the documentary Journey's End: The Saga of Star Trek: The Next Generation the name "Hope-class" had only existed in an early CGI version of a dedication plaque, and the ship's class was ultimately renamed as the Olympic-class, honouring the original name of Bill George's model. 99.152.197.82 (talk) 06:19, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I can name several sources, including the Star Trek Encyclopedia (3rd Edition), Memory Alpha, and Memory Beta, with the Encyclopedia and Memory Alpha covering all things that are canon to Star Trek, that say that the Pasteur is indeed the Olympic-class. --Maqattaq (talk) 02:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Your renaming of the section has broken several redirects you'll need to fix. Whenever a section name in any article is changed or deleted, please go to the article's "What links here" page (in the Toolbox or as a Popups action) then click on the "Show redirects only" external tool link to find out what, if any, redirects are affected by the change and need modification. Cbbkr (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

USS Kearsarge - NCC-57566[edit]

The USS Kearsarge, registry NCC-57566 is listed in this article as both a Challenger and a Freedom class starship. Both reference the same episode as evidence. Can a ship be of 2 classes, or is this an eror? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.35.225.227 (talk) 13:09, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

USS Yamaguchi NCC 26510[edit]

You missed this prominent one from the Ambassador class listings. USS Yamaguchi (NCC 26510) was the final incarnation of the studio model. It was a hurried conversion for the DS9 pilot "Emissary", so in that episode the model bore markings of both Yamaguchi and Excalibur (NCC 26517). The USS Yamaguchi was destroyed at the battle of Wolf 359. It is the ship seen attacking the Borg cube alongside the Nebula class USS Bellerophon in DS9 "Emissary". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.176.144 (talk) 07:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


Why is it assumed that each class of ship has a ship of the same name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.10.111 (talk) 21:47, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

USS Vengeance NCC ?[edit]

Added Dreadnought class based upon reference made within the film Star_Trek_Into_Darkness to the USS Vengeance being a Dreadnought. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardHighsmith (talkcontribs) 13:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


The Vengeance has no registry number, as it was a secret ship. Jedieaston (talk) 23:33, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

USS Republic[edit]

Why is the USS Republic listed in Class Unknown? The description states it should be Constitution-class . Should it be moved? Jedieaston (talk) 23:31, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Sort by appearance instead of class?[edit]

I feel like this list would be improved by the sorting being changed to reflect the place they appear (series, movies, etc) rather than by the class of ship. My reasoning is two-fold. Firstly, articles about fictional things are meant to be created from a real world standpoint, and sorting by a real-world element like series or movie would better meet this requirement than a fictional element like class. Secondly, if a reader is looking for information about a particular ship, the piece of information that they have to work from is almost certainly going to be the piece of fiction that it was mentioned in, not the class. For example, I feel like a reader is far more likely to be interested in seeing all the ships that appeared in Star Trek: Nemesis, or in The Best of Both Worlds, than all the Constitution class ships. Just my opinion, of course, and apologies if this has already been hashed out somewhere, I looked through the Talk Page but didn't see anything similar. Euchrid (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)