Talk:List of Tour de France general classification winners

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Suggest merge[edit]

This page should be merged with List_of_Tour_de_France_winners Davidreid (talk) 06:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think it should not be merged. Potentially there could be lists for mountains, points and young riders classification, which could lead to a featured topic with the aforementioned list as the main list. It would be in similar vein to List of Grand Prix motorcycle racing World champions and List of men's major championships winning golfers. NapHit (talk) 12:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Before the peer review[edit]

This article was listed for peer review. Before this is done by somebody outside of the cycling project, I thought I would do my own review.

I went through the article and changed what I thought was necessary. One major issue I see is the "history" section. What is this the history of? It seems to be the history of the Tour de France rather than of the general classification winner. Why is it important here that the Tour changed to the team-format in 1930?

I did not solve the issue, because I don't know how to. It would be silly to write a history about the list of Tour de France classification winners. And the history each general classification winner belongs to the biography of the winner, and the history of the general classificaiotn belongs to the general classfiication article.

One more thing: is it common to use the alt-tags for the images in this way? The descriptions such as "A man in a white shirt and tie" made me smile. :)

I hope the peer review will be helpful!--EdgeNavidad (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

disqualified winners[edit]

Should the striking of Lance Armstrong (and Landis, Contador) be made more clear. For example by more explicitly listing disqualifications, something like....

1999  United States VACANT disq Armstrong, LanceLance Armstrong US Postal 3,687 km (2,291 mi) &
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2000  United States VACANT disq Armstrong, LanceLance Armstrong US Postal 3,662 km (2,275 mi) &
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2001  United States VACANT disq Armstrong, LanceLance Armstrong US Postal 3,458 km (2,149 mi) &
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2002  United States VACANT disq Armstrong, LanceLance Armstrong US Postal 3,272 km (2,033 mi) &
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2003  United States VACANT disq Armstrong, LanceLance Armstrong US Postal 3,427 km (2,129 mi) &
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2004  United States VACANT disq Armstrong, LanceLance Armstrong US Postal 3,391 km (2,107 mi) &
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2005  United States VACANT disq Armstrong, LanceLance Armstrong Discovery Channel 3,593 km (2,233 mi) &
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2006  Spain Pereiro, ÓscarÓscar Pereiro disq Floyd Landis [C] Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears 3,657 km (2,272 mi) 89h 40' 27" + 32" 0
2007  Spain Contador, AlbertoAlberto Contador# Discovery Channel 3,570 km (2,220 mi) 91h 00' 26" + 23" 1
2008  Spain Sastre, CarlosCarlos Sastre Team CSC 3,559 km (2,211 mi) 87h 52' 52" + 58" 1
2009  Spain Contador, AlbertoAlberto Contador Astana 3,459 km (2,149 mi) 85h 48' 35" + 4' 11" 2
2010  Luxembourg Schleck, AndyAndy Schleck disq Alberto Contador #[D] Team Saxo Bank 3,642 km (2,263 mi) 91h 59' 27" + 1' 22" 2
2011  Australia Evans, CadelCadel Evans BMC Racing Team 3,430 km (2,130 mi) 86h 12' 22" + 1' 34" 1

Arnoutf (talk) 15:59, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

personally, I think it's fine the way it is, as the note, gives the reader all the detail they need regarding the disqualifications. Although, I'd like to hear a few more opinions about this. NapHit (talk) 09:31, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I like Arnoutf's suggestion. It does not take much more space and presents the information in a more compact way. In any case, if Armstrong has been officially stripped from his Tour victories, he should not appear as winner in the table, as he does now in the article.--Gorpik (talk) 08:32, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I would like to see what type of advantage he had (margin) over other players while he was doping.. and a strike out would show that — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.222.254 (talk) 03:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Stripped titles[edit]

Why are some stripped titles shown as blank lines, while others are still shown but are highlighted in yellow and have footnotes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:B:9E80:692:223:6CFF:FE97:9886 (talk) 00:43, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

The footnotes themselves explain the reason.--Gorpik (talk) 07:30, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
All the other articles as far as I can see show Lance Arsmstrong with his name in strikethrough and an accompanyign footnate (e.g. here). This seems to be the general consensus. The logic is that at one time LA was declared as the winner of the tour/stage etc... however we was subsequently stripped of those wins. I propose implementing the same in this article, so it is consistent. The totals for wins by athlete, country etc.. won't change. Rehnn83 Talk 11:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I'd also do the same for the other "stripped" winners, (Contador, Schleck etc...) Rehnn83 Talk 11:29, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Someone else appeared to re-add in Armstrong as a winner (and removed the notes showing he's disqualified/stripped of those titles). I've partially reverted those changes but I've added Strikethroughs to names as per this discussion.Rehnn83 Talk 08:21, 23 June 2014 (UTC)