Talk:Lists of active separatist movements

Niue

i doubt there is any secessionist movement in Niue (or the Cook Islands for that matter) Bigkev

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Just because a page is split doesnt mean it doesnt need references or notability. Everythign on wikipedia needs to be citwed (if it was split then the references should be in the original), and there is not inherent notability.(Lihaas (talk) 11:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)).

There is no information on the page to reference or be notable. I don't understand what your problem with the page is. There are many other lists of lists (see Category:Lists of lists). McLerristarr | Mclay1 16:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

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why does list of stateless ethnic groups redirect here? 98.206.155.53 (talk) 00:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

List of stateless ethnic groups was moved to List of ethnic groups demanding a separate state, which was redirected here because it is covered by these lists. McLerristarr | Mclay1 08:01, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Proposal for a slight change to the layout

This is the current layout that is being used on the lists:

• De facto state

or

• Proposed state

or

• Proposed autonomous area

I think that we should use simply "proposal" insted of "proposed state" and "proposed autonomous area". Why? Becaus a lot of the time ther isn't a demand for an independent state or autonomous area. A lot of the time the demand is for one area to unite with another (for example those in Flanders who wish to join the Netherlands). If we use "proposal" we can giv better descriptions of what the demand is and this will make the lists easier to understand. I'd like to hear your thoughts. ~Asarlaí 23:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

When its talking about "uniting an area" to another state, that is actually irredentism.--Yalens (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but somtimes the proposal is both separatist and irredentist. For example, those who wish Flanders to separate from Belgium and join the Netherlands; thus creating a new state. Ther ar many more examples. ~Asarlaí 03:16, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

We have a separate article for those cases: "List of irredentist claims or disputes". McLerristarr | Mclay1 04:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Isn't that list only for independent states who claim part of another independent state?

If so, then what about people in 'state A' who only wish for their area to join 'state B' (like the example I gave above)?

Using the current layout, it would look like this:

====Belgium====

Flemish Region

• Proposed state: Netherlands

It'd make much more sense like this:

====Belgium====

Flemish Region

• Proposal: unite with the Netherlands

~Asarlaí 08:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

"Isn't that list only for independent states who claim part of another independent state?"

No, actually it deals with any ideology that wants to take a part (or whole) of a state and add it to another, or to adjoin certain regions from various states to form a new state. --Yalens (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

In that case, we'd need to remove a lot of entries from these lists. Am I right in saying that these lists ar only for movements who wish to form an independent state/autonomous area within the borders of an existing state? For example... those who wish to form an independent state inside France's borders (Breton independence movement) can stay, but those who wish to unite parts of France and Spain (Basque independence movement) should be removed? ~Asarlaí 00:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Nah, actually I'd say that the Basques' ambitions involve the formation of a new state which lands it on this list, being both separatist and irridentist (things that would be only on the irridentist list would be adding Moldova to Romania or taking North Ireland and giving it to Ireland-but not the proposal for a separate N.Irish state). --Yalens (talk) 00:41, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

On the other hand, some of the irridentism here could be called separatism. In any case, I'd support your reformatting. --Yalens (talk) 00:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)