Talk:List of airports in the San Francisco Bay Area

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missing the forest for the trees[edit]

The San Francisco Bay Area is not defined by SFO's mode C veil. Nine counties comprise the Bay Area and much of the land of those counties fall beyond 30 nm from SFO. If this is to be a compendium of Bay Area airports, I propose the mode C classification be removed from this article; what does it add? Conn, Kit 17:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The following limitation was here when I got here, and is still a part of the article:
This list includes only airports underneath or immediately adjacent to San Francisco's 30 nautical mile radius terminal airspace.
The benefit of the mode C veil is that it does and did provide a distinct data set for the list, but I don't deny that it is fair to create a different limitation for the data set. That would mean the opening should be changed to something like 'This list provides airports as defined by the San Francisco Bay Area article comprising 9 counties, etc. etc.' (Admittedly, for the mode C limitation, it might make more sense to call this 'List of airports within the San Franscisco International Airport airspace'.)
Of course, if the data set is expanded that far, we might want a better organizational method than airspace, because there are a LOT of class G airports within those 9 counties. Skybunny 18:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Bay Area defined as contiguous 9 counties[edit]

I see this discussion was left dormant with the participants agreeing that it would make sense to use the definition of the 9-county San Francisco Bay Area instead of 30 nautical miles from SFO. While it was respectful and respectable to leave a previous volunteer's work there, don't forget to be WP:BOLD. If they didn't show up for this long to explain or defend that organization, it's fair game to update it. The list was already inconsistent with that because Reid-Hillview Airport in San Jose is on the list but is 31.5nm from SFO. It is definitely a significant and busy Bay Area airport too. I'll update the wording of the page and categorization of the airport to reflect the 9-county definition. Ikluft (talk) 01:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Corrected capitalization of page name[edit]

I renamed List of airports in the San Francisco Bay area to List of airports in the San Francisco Bay Area to use the correct capitalization. (A redirect page was automatically created in the old name's place.) The word "Area" is part of the region's name. See San Francisco Bay Area for more info. Ikluft (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Expanding Bay Area definition to match Census Bureau, including Santa Cruz and San Benito Counties[edit]

An update which was made to Template:SF Bay Area brought to my attention that the Census Bureau includes Santa Cruz and San Benito Counties in its definition of the contiguous metro area of the San Francisco Bay Area. See Template talk:SF Bay Area. The Census Bureau is WP's preferred reference when available. For consistency, I'm going to add those counties' airports to this page and the Bay Area airports navbox. Ikluft (talk) 15:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It turns out that the edit which I saw on Template:SF Bay Area was reverted, asking the editor to participate in discussion on Talk:San Francisco Bay Area because they don't have consensus for that over there. I though about what each option means for the airports list. It's actually a toss-up (9 county ABAG definition vs 11 county census definition.) While of course it's open to discussion, I'm leaving it on the wider definition for now mainly because the two affected airports do make sense in association with the Bay Area. Hollister is home to a glider school/tour/rental business which serves much of the Bay Area, since that activity can't be done in the core of a metro area. Watsonville is commonly used for instrument flight training from Bay Area airports, and attracts volunteers and attendees from the Bay Area for its annual air show. Both are where some Bay Area pilots keep their airplanes. These factors tipped me in favor of keeping the wider definition of the Bay Area for the airports list - it makes at least as much sense this way as the other. Ikluft (talk) 03:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Breuner Airfield[edit]

why is it absurd it be here?MYINchile 01:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Re-starting the same debate on multiple pages isn't going to help. I suggest you should direct your energy toward finding references that meet WP standards for notability before the AfD discussion period runs out. My vote will remain delete until notability is established. Direct responses to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Breuner Airfield or Talk:Breuner Airfield. Ikluft (talk) 06:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Even if notability is established and the article avoids deletion, it is not appropriate here because it is not an airport (no FAA registration), not even a transportation resource (since aviation articles are categorized under transportation), and not open to the public. (Even real airports which are not open to the public and not government owned are omitted from this page.) It doesn't fit any of the criteria for this list/article. Others asked if an airplane could even land at Breuner Airfield - no, a 300-foot strip is too short even for a Cessna 172, and the "X" on each end of the runway forbids airplanes to land except in an emergency. You tried editing the criteria on this page to include RC model fields when it wasn't what you wanted - be aware there's a talk page where changes would need to be made by consensus first. Several editors, including a "third opinion" that you solicited, advised you to create a remote control model field category rather than inappropriately using an aviation category/list. Ikluft (talk) 06:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)