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this talk page, tidy-up[edit]

(...the following moved from above the contents box, etc.)Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

why are there two translations as 'half lord of the fishes'

are there any good GFDL pictures of these postures?

web references[edit]

I have rv'd some of the external links removed by fvw. It seems odd that this editor removes web references while leaving print references untouched. This is a web-based encyclopedia, after all, and some of the best current work on yoga postures is web-based, not print based. If editor fvw wishes to remove certain specific external links s/he should provide particulars explaining the action. --Nemonoman 07:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)


(...long list of links to asanas hidden - see List_of_yoga_postures page or the edit box...) Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Asanas[edit]

Gheranda Samhita describes 32 asanas, hatha yoga pradipika describes 14, in which important book of hatha yoga culture you found +- 60 asanas??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.3.43.50 (talk) 11:25, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Transliteration of Sanskrit needs a lot of work![edit]

The transliterations of the Sanskrit are poor and need to fixed as well as sourced. Azalea pomp (talk) 03:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I noticed a probable error at Rajakapotāsana. My Sanskrit is so limited, I don't know the writing system at all well, but I think the Sanskrit doesn't have the first 2 syllables "Raja". Are the "Raja" syllables are part of the pose name? I don't really know. Does someone else? Oaklandguy (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Gallery[edit]

The submissions from theholisticcare.com are creepy-looking, they do not illustrate how humans look doing these poses, and they're covered in advertisements. In Bakasana, for instance, the hands are not flat on the mat. I am a newbie and disinclined to remove work on a page I haven't authored, but as a yoga teacher I find these images objectionable for many reasons. Neredowell (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the above user -- I am willing to take a few pictures of myself or teachers who are willing to make them public domain. The 3D rendered images are NOT depicting how poses should be done. YuanHao (talk) 23:38, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge the Asana Pages?[edit]

Merging the descriptions of the asanas - all to one page if no more appropriate breakdown between one and all can be created - would be preferable from the human browsers point of view - especially those who have less than a blistering fast broadband connection. Why?

The actual information on a typical asana refered to from the List_of_yoga_postures compromises less than a quarter of the visible information transmitted and a tiny fraction of the total data forming most of those page, all the rest is common to every page. For instance, this one Sukhasana only uses about a quarter of the screen. This means that you would get a page with all the asanas on it for little more than the time to load a couple. Then all you have to do is scroll, or even easier, click the name in the list at the top and the page will scroll for you. The images can be small thumbnails, which are clickable to see more detail.

Users searching a particular asana will still be able to find it on a common page. They might even become interested in other asanas that they would otherwise have overlooked.

I'd like to hear from interested parties especially authors of these pages before beginning work on this. Please post to this page. The individual asanas could be merged with the List_of_yoga_postures page which could then be renamed simply Yoga_postures with a redirect from Yoga_asanas.

In case anyone is wondering if this is just an academic interest: no, I have been a dedicated practitioner of asana yoga for for at least 20 years, but I am totally eclectic in my practice.

Trev M (talk) 01:42, 16 December 2009 (UTC) and Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I've started adding the Merge discusion template to the top of pages in question today Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll agree with this merge, unless any specific position has a notable history behind it, or anything else which can be used in an encyclopedic article. This falls inline with WP:N and WP:NOTHOWTO. ThemFromSpace 04:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Merge them. They aren't notable in and of themselves; make a useful page with appropriate redirects--and note that appropriate redirects include redirects from the English alphabet spellings--no redlinks at akarna dhanurasana for example. Note that the latter also has improper capitalization under our naming conventions, as the article stands now; that's why I made the appropriate one here; you might want one at Akarna Dhanurasana as well. Gene Nygaard (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
{{DEFAULTSORT:}} a good one to know; I don't think there are many around who do yoga AND information technology... Thanks. Trev M (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm holding fire on redirects and disambiguations etc until the integrated page I'm working on is up and running and agreed (or otherwise), then they can all point somewhere they may remain for a while. Trev M (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The proposed merge lash-up is beginning to take shape here...[edit]

...using selective transcludes. Long way to go yet. If you wish your edit of an asana page to appear in the merge proposal, please learn the transclude tags at WP:Transclusion#Partial_transclusion. Please no section headings within the transclude.

Opinion, please, as to whether image thumbnails are OK in alphabetical list down righthand side - with #links if they can be created in this environment, and which will more or less track the alphabetical text listing with contents hidden, or fastidiously within relevant sections (less dense page). Trev M (talk) 00:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose merge - The article will be too long, WP:SIZE and later will come up for split all over again. Please refrain from merging. Now.nupe (talk) 06:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Now.nupe: please see the following section #Merge Size, Thanks Trev M (talk) 14:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge Size[edit]

The merged article at present, BEFORE further editing-out of duplicated information stands at:

WP:SIZERULE states:

  • > 100 KB Almost certainly should be divided
  • > 60 KB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time)
  • ≥ 40 KB May need to be divided (likelihood goes up with size)
  • < 40 KB Length alone does not justify division
  • 1 KB If an article or list has remained this size for over a couple of months, consider combining it with a related page. Alternatively, why not fix it by adding more info? See Wikipedia:Stub.

On the other hand,

  • Ardha Candrāsana - Prose size (text only): 669 B (118 words) "readable prose size"
  • Matsyasana - Prose size (text only): 866 B (155 words) "readable prose size" (since13:08, 2 August 2006)
  • A relatively long page for this section:

Uttanasana - Prose size (text only): 1458 B (227 words) "readable prose size"

Trev M (talk) 14:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

    • I am talking about this article size. This article List of yoga postures will cross 100kB in size. As for those article you have mentioned, those go by notability more than size, Matsyasana and Uttanasana are most widely known asanas. We can add notes column in the table of this article. Now.nupe (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
    • And if you substitute trancluded articles in your sandbox page it will be much more than current size. Now.nupe (talk) 05:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I too am talking about the size of the list of yoga postures combined with all the stubs, less a handfull of notable pages. The combined total is as I state above. The page User:Trev_M/Yoga_asanas (page merging and development) replaces the lot and still has less than 40k prose. The size of transcluded prose is already included. Trev M (talk) 01:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
There is no consensus to merge pages. Please refrain. Now.nupe (talk) 08:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Merger from new gallery[edit]

Someone has posted a photo gallery of poses at Yoga Pose Gallery. It shouldn't be a separate article, especially since this page has photos. Should anything from there be merged into this page, or should that page just be deleted as WP:FORK? Largoplazo (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Since there was no text at all, it was tagged for WP:CSD, and has been deleted. If anyone wants the list of images (maybe make a new category, rather than an article?) - drop me a line on my talk page.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Following up the above, looking for images, and generally tidying this page Trev M (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose merge - If any individual article qualifies to be deleted you may list them in WP:AFD. Merging makes this list too big, and not required. Now.nupe (talk) 08:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
    • Those articles qualify to be called WP:STUBs, and let the non-notable articles be deleted. Those can be tagged {{Spirituality-stub}} at the bottom. Now.nupe (talk) 08:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Now.nupe -- are you opposing the merge proposed in the above section Talk:List_of_yoga_postures#Merge_the_Asana_Pages? or the section you have written in: Talk:List_of_yoga_postures#Merger from new gallery? If the latter, your comment and this reply should be moved to "Merge_the_Asana_Pages?" above. It would be good to see a bit of background about you on your user page as you have making contributions to the yoga sections with some commitment.

All the images referred to in the [this] merger from new gallery section are computer generated, inaccurate and poor quality and I have no intention of using any of them - a user above refers to them as "creepy-looking".

Over the next few days I am planning to sandbox a lash-up, or lash-ups of a page or pages - combining all the stubs and list, and content from the asana pages in keeping with WP guidelines, and interested parties can look at them and then decide, advise or contribute. I don't propose altering anything in the existing WP namespace structure until this is done. This is an exercise to stimulate improvement - which I hope we are in agreement that these pages need - certainly not an attempt to polarise opinion. Thanks, Trev M (talk) 15:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Project Yoga[edit]

Editors with an interest in working collaboratively to improve the encyclopedic quality of Yoga-related articles are encouraged to visit a new project to achieve this at WP:WikiProject_Yoga. Please let us know you're interested. See you there, Trev M 01:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

stop ninja merge[edit]

User:Trev M is merging article "that are linked only from this page", which is nonsense. He doing it without consensus in talk page. Includes "includeonly" tags in mainspace pages that are to be used only in templates. Somebody please stop this ninja from vandalising. Now.nupe (talk) 06:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The issues behind this statement are being discussed on User_talk:Trev_M/Yoga_asanas_(page_merging_and_development) and Talk:Dhanurasana. Please, Now.nupe, remove this section or replace your descriptive terms with language more appropriate to an encyclopedia. Trev M   12:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Ninja means "lone warrior", no offense. Now.nupe (talk) 06:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Oppose merge, although not really sure if this is right place. Many of these are independently notable by the fact that they are practiced by millions of people, similar to other exercises. At the very least those which can establish independent notability should not be deleted.AerobicFox (talk) 17:32, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Suggested adds[edit]

These are interesting poses but I am not sure if they are here already. Marjaryasana is cat pose and Bitilisana is cow pose. There is a guide to transitioning them here. I don't know if we have wikimedia pictures for them but I notice we have many non-illustrated moves in this list. Can I add these? Does someone else want to? I do not know the proper sanscrit to round out the list so I would have holes if I do. AweCo (talk) 19:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

There are already pictures in Commons for many of the poses, and some have a photo on their article page, but not here on the list. Go ahead and sort that out. Also note File:Bitilasana-cow pose.jpg. Are you sure you spelt the sanscrit right for both these poses. They seem notbale enough to make the list with sources, and perhaps have their own separate pages. Lentower (talk) 03:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for the suggestions! BO | Talk 01:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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Gomukhāsana photo[edit]

I think the Gomukhāsana photo is not correct since the legs are crossed in front. Though the front view is not shown, it is possible to see the feet on either side.

The image in Reference #1 is the more common end posture than in Reference #2.

What do you think ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.144.239 (talk) 10:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

There are many spelling mistakes in the devnagri text (headline "Sanskrit"). Very often a makri is missing or e.g. camel is not ushth, but ushtr. So the pronunciation and somethimes the meaning is diffent. The page itself is very good, but the mistakes should corrected. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.92.14.91 (talk) 10:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Duplicates, alternative name and variations[edit]

  • As the list expands there will be more alternative names for already listed asanas. Listing each asana name multiple times with different images will make the list unmanageable and confusing for readers. I recommend that alternative names should be listed under the primary entry and listed without a picture and with a "listed under comment" if they are very common.
  • Asanas which have their own names should have one row. Variations within an asana which lack a unique name should not be listed. (e.g. cobra and upwards facing dog are considered different)
  • Finally I recommend that we use.
    • "Light on Yoga" to adjudicate names (it is the authority, has Sunscript transliterations, and covers 200 asanas and many intermediate poses and variations.
    • Other texts if "Light on Yoga" does not have them.

BO | Talk 01:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I do not recommend listing alternate names on this same list article.Curb Chain (talk) 20:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you as usual - so do we remove crow and leave crane? BO | Talk 17:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
In my opinion, Crane is 2 legs on the arms, crow is one leg on one arm so they are not variations.Curb Chain (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Please move the glossary back to the end[edit]

Placing the list of at the start seems nice but it violates WP:MOS and WP:UNDUE) which is to say it confuses readers about what the article is about. Once the list is complete the glossary should be removed since the articles will provide all needed etymological information. IMO what we really need in this list is:

  • Removal of copyvio images (I found another yesterday for mahamudra)
  • Removing non-asana entries either to a secondary list of bhandas & mudras
  • A better lead section.
  • Altering of images to have suitable aspect ratio even for tall and narrow images by creating pictures with some margins.
  • Moving the sun salutations asanas to a preliminary list as they are the most common and probably what most people are interested in! BO | Talk 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I Support all of this but the affix table, because it is important to know about the affixes to understand the etymology of the asanas. But this isn't an important point so if you want to revert you can.Curb Chain (talk) 03:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Mudras and Bhandas[edit]

Hi, Curb Chain can you please restore the Bhandas and Mudras intro. I put the [citation needed] template there to remind me to put in a citation to a book I read recently - I just have to locate it. I am also somewhat dishearted that you removed it in because of a missing citation - either you don't you know WP:V does not require citations for what is knowledge or you don't know basic stuff like there are just three Bhandas?

P.S. There is no list of Bhandas there are only the three and their combination. Also FYI - The list of Mudras we are linking to is a list of hand gestures used symbolically in dancing. Yoga Mudras are probably going to have their own list since they are notable (i.e. I can easily supply the required references) but no one I have met actually uses them and I don't think anyone will be in a hurry to make the list.

Finally I ask the contributors here to this be bold - if they are adding stuff around but if they are going to revert or erase content or make big changes that they leave a note on this talk page so we can discuss things in harmony. It is more civil and required if more than two people are working on one page. Cheers.BO | Talk

I can put back the information for the {{cn}}. Mudras are hand gestures, and they happen to be used in dancing, and the coverage of that article may simply be limited to mostly dancing. If a list of mudras should be created and has not been created, the current situation of linking to the article of mudra is much better than not linking at all.Curb Chain (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Can you supply those references as mudras used in athletic yoga? It isn't about someone having to be in a hurry to make such a list, but if it is useful to do so.Curb Chain (talk) 22:54, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

IAST[edit]

Please make sure that all transliterations are in IAST. Names are Sanskrit so please transliterate it properly. English is the sanskrit transliteration without diacritics.Curb Chain (talk) 01:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Sanskrit Copy/Paste Error[edit]

I think the sanskrit for "Foot behind Head Pose" is not correct. Looks like a mistake since it's the same as the line above for One legged supported headstand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.70.200 (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC)