Talk:List of breads

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Missing images and varieties[edit]

These entries need pertinent images. If anyone thinks that some bread are missing, please feel free to add it to the list.--Caspian blue 22:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Confusion between a variety of bread and a municipality[edit]

There is a type of bread called Lagana, that is mainly consumed on the first day of Lent and the municipality of Laganas. Lagana, the bread, should not re-direct to the municipality. (Alkiviadis (talk) 07:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC))

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One big table[edit]

I would like to join the tables to make them into one sortable table. Objections? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:25, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I am happy if you do this. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

I removed the lede image because the table images are larger, and it sort of made sense at the time.

Yes check.svg Done Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Great - thank you for doing this way, I think it looks better that way, although we will have to see whether others agree! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Image size[edit]

I would like to enlarge the images to 120px like in List of sandwiches. I think it would improve the visitors' experience. Objections? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Seeded bread[edit]

I have often seen bread, both in the form of loaves and bread rolls, which is made with seeds - whether poppy seeds or sesame seeds. Shouldn't seeded bread go in this list? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:36, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Is there a specific seeded bread with an article you have in mind?

I suppose the one I was thinking of was the poppy seed bread. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Boundries[edit]

The question is how do you specify 'bread'. Where lies the boundry between breads and cakes/pasteries and the boundry between breads and snacks (like breadsticks) and are pizzas qualified as bread? 85.113.241.224 (talk) 22:41, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

And what about puff pastry? 85.113.241.224 (talk) 22:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hmmmmm, pastry is sort of out of the scope somehow, but maybe others will think it's bread and add it to the list. You can add it and see if somebody disputes it.
Pizza is in List of pies, tarts and flans at the moment because it's ordinary white bread with stuff on top.
Breadstick could be on the list because of the name. I will add that.
Thanks for the input. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree that we should not be adding pastry here; the term puff pastry would be better placed in a list of pastries (if there is one). ACEOREVIVED (talk) 18:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I just created the article List of pastries and put puff pastry there. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I should warn people that the article List of pastries is now being considered for deletion, and as there are only five entries there, it could well suffer this fate. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Croissants & Bagels[edit]

1/. The croissant is Viennese, not French. It originated when the Muslim invasion was turned back at the gates of Vienna. The bakers celebrated by making a bread in the shape of the Islamic Crescent (Croissant) symbol and the locals "Ate" the enemy. 2/. A Bagel is properly made from boiled dough. Despite the imitations, if it is not made from boiled dough, it is not a Bagel. The origin of the name is unknown. Montreal, Canada is famous for its genuine bagels. Historygypsy (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

The Islamic Crescent story is probably untrue. See croissant. --Macrakis (talk) 00:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Should "Crumpets" be in this list?[edit]

I see that Crumpets have been included on this list, but I am not sure they should be here - I for one have never ever seen them as a form of bread. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

How to organize this list[edit]

Wouldn't this article be better organised if it were divided into rolls (which could include bagels) and bread in loaves, which could be divided into sliced and non-sliced bread? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so. Looking at all the pictures, I see all sorts which are both, or neither. Sliced sounds very Western too. Also, making this into two or more tables kills the sortability. Adding extra columns might be a consideration, but I can't think of a way. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Doughnuts[edit]

I certainly would recommend that doughnuts get removed from this list. I would imagine that most people would see doughnuts as cakes rather than bread, and that, therefore, this would be an article that would more appropriately go in the List of cakes. I have similar feelings about muffins, although I am not quite so passionate that this gets removed from the list - I see that the article muffins has gone into the List of cakes, but, if one looks on the talk page of this article, one will see that some one has questioned whether it should be there. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I think you're right, but then the same might be said of Pannettone. But as for donuts, the only thing that surprises me is that there's no reference saying: "usually eaten by police officers". Stevelaw1000 (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Request for new addition[edit]

Can fried bread please be put here? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

If you're talking about Frybread, that's already on the list. Ibadibam (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

There are separate entries in Wikipedia for frybread and fried bread, as if they are different things. The photograph by the article looks a big thicker than anything that would be termed in my country the United Kingdom as "fried bread". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:43, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't notice there was a fried bread article. Looking at that article, it seems more like a preparation from bread, rather than a type of bread itself. This list is limited to types of bread, like sourdough and brown bread, rather than preparations like toast or torrijas, that ostensibly could be made from any number of types of bread. So fried bread seems to be out of scope. Ibadibam (talk) 17:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

To do[edit]

Need to go through categories and add, eg Category:Sweet breads. Category:Yeast breads - or just Category:Breads and its subcategories. Dougweller (talk) 16:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Are these breads or something else?[edit]

Recently added by 72.211.200.91 (talk · contribs · WHOIS):

  • Dorayaki - a confection that includes two flat pieces of castella sponge cake. Sounds more like a pastry to me. There could be some argument for including castella on this list.
  • Kaya toast - toast with sweet toppings. Doesn't seem like a bread itself, but rather a dish that uses bread.
  • Potato doughnut - We don't include doughnut on this list, although it is technically a bread per the Wikipedia definition. This list is somewhat inconsistent in whether it includes sweet breads.
  • Potato waffle - again, we don't include waffle on this list, but it's technically a bread.
  • French toast - not a bread itself but a dish that includes bread as an ingredient.

Ibadibam (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Dinkelbrot[edit]

A recent edit by 72.211.200.91 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) raises an interesting question: Is Dinkelbrot (de) a specific bread, or just the German word for any spelt bread? If the latter, we should probably list it under spelt bread, despite there not being an English article yet. Ibadibam (talk) 21:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Cleanups[edit]

I cleaned up the "Origins" column as best I could, relying on the Wikilinked articles backing up each item, and standardizing the entries for better sortability. I also removed the residue left by a number of deleted image files; there are quite a few missing images that need to be added in.

I also deleted a few items that are obviously pastries or cakes, and added a hidden editorial note pointing out that separate lists exist for these categories. More non-bread entries need to be removed from this list.

I left unresolved the question of whether entries should be added here which don't have a backup article (not even a stub). I think that such entries don't belong here, because it will clutter up the Talk page here with discussions that properly belong on the Talk pages for each individual item. Reify-tech (talk) 16:05, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Reify-tech, I've been trying to do that also as you probably noted. I agree, if there's no backup article they shouldn't be on the page. Create the article first, then add it here. Thanks for your good work. Dougweller (talk) 18:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
To break the impasse on orphan entries (those with no backup article), I suggest commenting them out, with a note that anybody seeking to restore them should first create an acceptable backup article. Reify-tech (talk) 19:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

All entries should have articles[edit]

Two reasons - one, it doesn't help our readers much to have a name without an article. Secondly, there are so many variations that we need to be able to show that the bread is common enough so that people living in the geographical region where it is made are going to be familiar with it. We assure this by making sure that there is an article first. List of desserts only has blue links. Dougweller (talk) 14:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with both points. Also, as I mentioned in an earlier post, each backup article has a separate "Talk:" page where interested editors can discuss each particular food in question, work out any disagreements, and leave a record of their work. Having all the discussions from multiple articles combined onto a single "Talk:List of..." page would generate too many discussion threads likely to be irrelevant to most individual editors, and actually reduce overall editor participation, because of information overload.
The "List of..." articles must rely on the backup articles to provide detailed information to whatever level the editors there decide, and also to provide the necessary references. The entries in a "List of..." article should be brief summaries, to allow a quick overview of the entire category, and to allow meta-level comparisons among the different food items within a category. The grass-roots work of writing content and referencing belongs at the individual article level, and should be done first, before adding an item to a "List of..." article.
For an example of how things can get out of hand, see this article, from before I started attempts to clean it up. There are orphan entries (no backup article), and redundant entries that consist of nothing more than the translation of a name into multiple languages. Brief descriptions are missing or nearly useless (one word) for a number of entries. Meanwhile, some legitimate entries were missing, as I discovered when adding some fried dough foods I had removed from List of breads. Even after modest cleanup, List of fried dough foods isn't so much an article, but a heap of whatever random editors have dumped over there. Reify-tech (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2014[edit]

I should change some articles like waffle 72.211.205.119 (talk) 19:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -Anupmehra -Let's talk! 22:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)