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Merge with List of cities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip[edit]

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The result was keep separate. -- Debate 10:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Please go to Talk:List of cities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip for the merge discussion. --Shuki 21:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


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Semi-Protection[edit]

I've blocked new and unregistered users from editing this article because of a wave of edits by different (but closely related) IPs, highly exagarating the populations of the cities. The populations provided are from the PCBS, the most reliable source when it comes to this subject. Plus, no source gives the populations that high. The semi-protection will last for 24 hours. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Jerusalem[edit]

"Category:People by city or town in Palestine" has the entry "People from Jerusalem‎". Should it be here also?
"Abu Dis" is listed from Jerusalem Governorate. Has this something to do with East Jerusalem? 85.217.15.248 (talk) 05:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

This article is not exactly about Palestinian cities, but those specifically under the administration of the Palestinian government such as Abu Dis. Abu Dis is its own municipality. It is located in the Jerusalem Governorate, but not a part of East Jerusalem which is mostly populated by Palestinians but under the total control of Israel, notwithstanding the absence of international recognition. --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:13, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

What's the scope of this list[edit]

This list can't seam to decide whether it wants to be about the West Bank (it shows a map of the west bank), or weather it wants to be about the Palestinian territories (it shows some cities from the Gaza Strip). Which it it? We have an article about the List of cities in the Gaza Strip, so if this list is about the whole Palestinian territories, shouldn't these lists be merged. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

This article's scope concerns all Palestinian-governed cities in the GS and WB. I believe the two articles should be merged since having two is unnecessary. Also, the article used to have a map for both territories (File:Palestine election map.PNG) which was removed/replaced when the article was split. When I restored most of it I forgot to restore the picture which I will do now. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
OK. There's a discussion related to this at Talk:Lists of cities in the Palestinian territories#Requested move. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there any reason not to just go ahead and redirect List of cities administered by Hamas Administration to this page? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:36, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
None. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and done so. All the cites listed there are listed here, and other then the history section there's nothing to merge into this list. Maybe some content from the History section can merged into this page, but otherwise I'd say merge complete. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
The History section in that article either repeats the information (first ~half) of this article or is outdated (second ~half). --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Now that the merge is mostly complete, should we expand the scope to include the settlements (the page would need to be renamed to reflect the larger scope)? After all, the settlements are cites, and they are in the Palestinian territories. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

That's a different story which would require an official merge discussion. I personally disagree with the proposal because Palestinians don't administer the settlement cities, Israel does. This article isn't necessarily about cities in the territories, hence mostly-Palestinian East Jerusalem's exclusion from this article's list. It's about cities administered by the Palestinians. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

The merger of the "List of cities administered by Hamas Administration" was done skipping the vote procedure, and hence been reverted. See discussion at Talk:List of cities administered by Hamas Administration#Merge.Greyshark09 (talk) 08:25, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Rename[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved: no decision after 49 days, no discussion in the last 14 days Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:02, 21 June 2013 (UTC)



List of cities administered by the Palestinian National AuthorityList of Palestinian cities in the West Bank and Gaza strip – This list should be renamed, because cities in the Gaza strip are not administered by the Palestinian National Authority (i.e. the State of Palestine). I propose to rename it to List of Palestinian cities in the West Bank and Gaza strip, but there can be a better name.--Relisted. jcc (tea and biscuits) 11:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)--Brazzon (talk) 03:34, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Support Dlv999 (talk) 05:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose This is actually a bit complicated. The government in Gaza is still technically the PA. They contest that legitamacy with the West Bank-based PA. They participated in and won in PA elections, they don't call themselves the Hamas or Gaza govt., their prime minister is technically the PA prime minister, etc. The 2007 split wasn't a secession from the PA after all and the State of Palestine includes the West Bank (plus E. Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip. The proposed name isn't too problematic, but I find it to be unnecessary. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose First of all, Full disclosure: I invited Al Ameer son here because I didn't think I'd have the time to weigh in here, but here I am.
This is a minor point, but the proposed title should be "Palestinian territories" not "West Bank and Gaza strip" to match the parent page and other pages such as Prostitution in the Palestinian territories, Economy of the Palestinian territories, etc.
Both the West Bank and Gaza are under PNA control. As the Governance of the Gaza Strip article points out "Both administrations – the Fatah government in Ramallah and the Hamas government in Gaza– regard themselves as the sole legitimate government of the Palestinian National Authority", it's just a matter of what administration is the legitimate one.
Secondly, "Palestinian cities" is ambiguous. The term could be defined more broadly as "city in the Palestinian territories", which would include Ariel, just as "Italian city" means "city in Italy", "Mexican city" would mean "city in Mexico", etc. If it weren't for the highly unusual situation Palestine in in "Palestinian cities" would unambiguously have the broader definition. We would need to explain in the lead that "Palestinian cities" in the context of this list means "cities administered by the Palestinian National Authority", defeating the purpose of the rename. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Why do you support the ambiguous title "List of Israeli cites" so that Israeli settlements can be erroneously included on that list but oppose the exact same formulation here citing ambiguity? Dlv999 (talk) 09:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Because the term is ambiguous. I was considering proposing as a possible comprise renaming this "List of cities in the Palestinian territories" and adding the Israeli-administered cities, but then I started to conceder that there might be room for both a new "Palestinian territories" list and this list. In the case of both List of Israeli cities and that compromise I was considering proposing, I support the lists using the more inclusive scope. Ariel (for example) is Israeli in the sense of being an Israeli settlement and Palestinian in the sense of being in the Palestinian territories. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:26, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Your approach is inconsistent. Why is "Palestinian cities" too ambiguous to use, but "Israeli cities" is perfectly fine? Why are we bending over backwards to find some wording so that Israeli settlements can be erroneously listed alongside cities of Israel. Yet you oppose using the same language in the Palestinian case. Dlv999 (talk) 09:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)But now that I take a second look at the article, it wouldn't be worth maintaining two separate heavily overlapping lists. I'll propose my comprise. I just relised, part of your question want over my head. The proposed title "List of Palestinian cities in the Palestinian territories" is if anything clunkier then the current title, whereas the proposed title "List of cities in Israel and Israeli-administered cities in the West Bank" is far clunkier then that articles current title: "List of Israeli cities" Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 09:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
We should have a list of Palestinian cities that does not include Israeli settlements. I wouldn't have a problem with you creating an article as you describe. as long as this article remained as it is but being renamed: "List of Palestinian cities" (Palestinian equivalent to the "List of Israeli cities"). Dlv999 (talk) 09:59, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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